" Blaming Tan is disparity and looking for excuses "

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

got to agree with this 100%
I believe at least half of the season ticket holders this season were just glory hunters /plastics from the premier league days
that being the case we only had about 8k real supporters as season ticket holders
so about 50% of the real supporters have infact renewed

got to agree with this 100%
I believe at least half of the season ticket holders this season were just glory hunters /plastics from the premier league days
that being the case we only had about 8k real supporters as season ticket holders
so about 50% of the real supporters have infact renewed

100% ????? i'll give you the 'The football is apparently dull' as just one sentence to take marks off

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

nothing to do with championship,lets be honest after a few big names in prem the other 15 teams are no more than us.yep,i cheereed and felt good when we beat man city but that was a distraction from how many already felt.Last season and this i have felt nothing more than an inconvenience that cardiff city the company have to put up with...i feel like the slice of gurkin in the BIG MAC that no one really likes but put up with it...well ive had enough...

well what is wrong with that statement then
taking in to account everyones opinion it seems about right to me thomas

well what is wrong with that statement then
taking in to account everyones opinion it seems about right to me thomas

Steve, can we agree the football being served up IS dull, The OP suggests this is open to debate.

That debate long ended with the pitiful home performances, and fans turning their backs in droves, not able to stomach Slade hoof ball tactics

How many season ticket holders did we have the season before Peter Ridsdale's five year price freeze?

personally I have enjoyed quite a few away games and home games
on some occasions due to the football played by our opponents
this hoof ball that everyones on about hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I watched a game at home where we played it out from the back and we did well
the next home game the same players and marshall just kicked it up field all day
we have whitts just passing sideways or back where it came from ie Morrison or manga and they give up and just hit it long as they have no other option
its to easy and and repedative to blame slade im sure he don't send them out to make the wrong decision that they allways make during the game
sometimes the players need to take some blame

well what is wrong with that statement then
taking in to account everyones opinion it seems about right to me thomas

Steve, can we agree the football being served up IS dull, The OP suggests this is open to debate.

That debate long ended with the pitiful home performances, and fans turning their backs in droves, not able to stomach Slade hoof ball tactics

That's because, as I pointed out I haven't been so can't comment on its dullness.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

the old days when the standard was average to dire, the tickets were cheaper. That fact is conveniently not factored in by the OP

I agree with the OP about the move to the CCS having an adverse impact upon supporters, this discontentment fans often speak of may stem from the move to CCS rather than the owner's antics.

I agree that if Tan's player investment worked, hardcore supporters would be replaced with ease by Sky subscription owners who want to see big name players playing for-and-against their local club.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

the old days when the standard was average to dire, the tickets were cheaper. That fact is conveniently not factored in by the OP

I agree with the OP about the move to the CCS having an adverse impact upon supporters, this discontentment fans often speak of may stem from the move to CCS rather than the owner's antics.

I agree that if Tan's player investment worked, hardcore supporters would be replaced with ease by Sky subscription owners who want to see big name players playing for-and-against their local club.

There is that but enough of a factor to change things?

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

the old days when the standard was average to dire, the tickets were cheaper. That fact is conveniently not factored in by the OP

I agree with the OP about the move to the CCS having an adverse impact upon supporters, this discontentment fans often speak of may stem from the move to CCS rather than the owner's antics.

I agree that if Tan's player investment worked, hardcore supporters would be replaced with ease by Sky subscription owners who want to see big name players playing for-and-against their local club.

There is that but enough of a factor to change things?

People paid the prices for the Prem.

The NP debate is done to death...We increased our average attendance when we moved to the CCS and all our relative league success has been since the move.

We replaced the old skool danny dyers, for football fans and slowly built our base. The modern CCFC is about the CCS and the new fans we obtained. The premier league was great and it was even better seeing the new fans buy into the "always be blue", they got it, they are Cardiff City fans.

This season has been so negative, it was impotant to get off to a good start and Ole fluffed his lines. Tan did the prudent thing as he knew that no promotion would be a killer with the wage bill. Slade was a gamble that has back fired. It is imperative we don't lose the CCS new fans as the old skool are never coming back, football has lost its edge for them.

Cardiff vs Millwall always brought the usual headers out, you'd never have guessed that Sat was an old "Cat A" game, we could have been playing Fulham in a pre season.

The business decisions are crucial

a)-Keep Slade, lower (or partial refund) the prices
b)-Keep the prices, sack Slade

Its important to grab those new CCS fans back, it is about the football, don't let them go !!!

Doing nothing is not an option.

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How many season ticket holders did we have the season before Peter Ridsdale's five year price freeze?

Good question!

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

How many season ticket holders did we have the season before Peter Ridsdale's five year price freeze?

Good question!

If my memory is correct I believe about 14,000 or more?

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

Tan has reversed it,but the divide for nearly 3 years will never be forgotten by many including myself.

But I do agree also many are using Tan as an excuse because City are not doing well.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

Tan has reversed it,but the divide for nearly 3 years will never be forgotten by many including myself.

But I do agree also many are using Tan as an excuse because City are not doing well.

What confuses me mostly is that many said the only thing that would make them happy is a full reversal of the rebrand which he did but still people have a go. It baffles me. I understand the way people are feeling but some said the opposite.

This is the bit that I don't quite get as well. Two-faced supporter base.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

Tan has reversed it,but the divide for nearly 3 years will never be forgotten by many including myself.

But I do agree also many are using Tan as an excuse because City are not doing well.

What confuses me mostly is that many said the only thing that would make them happy is a full reversal of the rebrand which he did but still people have a go. It baffles me. I understand the way people are feeling but some said the opposite.

Neil, many did say that and it has shocked me that they have not returned? ? ?

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

I think disapointment amongst older fans has led to a lot of them packing in. for years their goal in life was to see us in the premier league and when it happened we were shit and the odd game apart were never competitive despite spending millions.
i also believe the appalling fall in in the standard of football in 12 months plus the unbelievable appointment of the current manager has compounded the issue

It'll come back, they'll all come back. I honestly believe Slade will be released after forest, but no club in the world would announce it yet ( no matter how unprofessional they are !!!) It's the most obvious business decision to make! And we know, Cardiff city fc is a business, they have not lost the supporters, they just haven't turned up yet.

Drop a few rumours here and there (stokes)

Change of manager, a few quality players pre season, that'll sell a few more, but we have to get rid of the dross first and the quality players that we unfortunately can't afford.

a good run of results in the first few months will see our walk up crowd go into 5 figures.

A hell of a lot of half season tickets sold at christmas (just like the Welsh team at the moment ) and we're back to normal, all is forgiven and back in blue!

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

I think disapointment amongst older fans has led to a lot of them packing in. for years their goal in life was to see us in the premier league and when it happened we were shit and the odd game apart were never competitive despite spending millions.
i also believe the appalling fall in in the standard of football in 12 months plus the unbelievable appointment of the current manager has compounded the issue

Steve, there is a lot of truth in what youve said,the Premier League our dream,was a total disaster.

This is my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong. I will quantify this by saying that I haven't been in a fair few years. The championship winning season was the last time I went. I didn't watch us live the whole time we were in the premiership. I work shift so get very few Saturday's off. It just happened. I haven't enjoyed it as much since moving to the CCS and I was put off by the whole FA Cup tickets shebang. That was pre Tan.

It is no doubt that Tan upset many with the rebrand. However in the grand scheme it was a small number as proven by the protests and they became greater when the product on the pitch deteriorated. We were all happy in red under Tan when beating Man City and you could not say we were lacking passion that day.

I personally think that it has a lot to do with the highs we achieved in getting to the premiership. Think about it. If you eat McDonald's your whole life, you are used to that. There might be the odd special burger they bring out that you enjoy but it's still McDonald's. If you then get a taste of premium steak for a bit if and when you go back to McDonald's you don't like it anymore. Now people don't want McDonald's they are using any excuse to not eat it. Tan is an easy target as is Slade.

The football is apparently dull. But, we have been there before with much worse players and standard of football. Of course they were the days when the crowds were only 2000 to 3000. The crowds picked up when we had a bit of success. If you like, when McDonald's had their special burgers on. That's why I think 4000 season tickets is probably about right. Those that have abandoned the club have every right to do so. However they should be truthful and say it's because they can't be arsed with the championship after the year in the premiership. It's not a shameful thing it's human nature. However to blame Tan for ripping the soul out of the club after the shit times we have faced is ridiculous. Especially as he's being hands off and criticised for this.

I await any replies actually explaining why rather than just he has.

Neil, This is not a dig, but as you admit and I know you have very rarely seen a City game for years,then " Unless youve experienced " the divide at games over the rebrand,the terrible atmosphere at games,our unprofessional club that they say themselves we are customers not fans(so then customers want value for money),the dire football and the final bit that I now know for a fact once again Tan is dictating to Slade regarding players again, you wont feel like many of our fans and myself feel about Tan.

Neil, as a person I have nothing but respect for you,but regarding your opinion on Tan,I totally disagree with you,a bit like Palestine and Israel

And to think mate the other board accused me of being in your pocket.

My point is how is it any worse than under Kumar for example? How is worse now than when we were winning under Tan and in red?

Neil Your 100% def not We have total opposite views,but respect each other

It was worse under Kumar than Tan, if you were to forget about the Rebrand. But of course The Rebrand has killed Tan off to many of us and We cant forgive it.

The rebrand he has reversed.

My point isn't aimed at you here as you were there among the 2000 (when I also was) and are there now. However do you agree many are using Tan and/or Slade as a convenient excuse because they were only interested when times are good?

That could be anyone who became a fan from Sam onwards as it had been pretty good since Sam took over on the pitch.

I think disapointment amongst older fans has led to a lot of them packing in. for years their goal in life was to see us in the premier league and when it happened we were shit and the odd game apart were never competitive despite spending millions.
i also believe the appalling fall in in the standard of football in 12 months plus the unbelievable appointment of the current manager has compounded the issue

Fair one. And Sir Steve, I am honoured you posted on my thread. Annis and Sir Steve. Very honoured.

Neil, I post on your topics,because even though we disagree,your posts are always sensible,intelligent and you make good debates

Neil, I post on your topics,because even though we disagree,your posts are always sensible,intelligent and you make good debates

Bless you mate.

This is the bit that I don't quite get as well. Two-faced supporter base.

I do think that people used the rebrand to jump ship, whilst never expecting tan to reverse it. Personally, I was willing to walk away, but couldn't once we were back in blue.

However, that is only a sub plot to this particular farce. tan was the worst thing that has ever happened to this club. No one can ever convince me otherwise.