Got to get our fans back in the grange end

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Unfortunately our club is too busy making sure that the away supporters are treated like royalty when they come to our stadium to think about the home fans.

When we go away however we are treated by most other clubs like the shit on their shoes.

Still on this?

It will never happen. The club will be vilified if violence broke out.

Here's an idea. Sing a bit louder.

Completely agree. The atmosphere would boost dramatically.

The club want us to have a better match day experience, there's one easy solution and they know it, they just choose to ignore it. Whoever is in charge wanted to wipe out the intimidation factor from Ninian Park that we had for many many years by keeping the vocal fans on the complete opposite side of the stadium, and they've succeeded. They only care about keeping the away fans happy now.

Guess Rotherham milwall yesterday wasn't a warning what can happen with our minority idiots? Yes easily done but at what potential cost to club and good supporters?

Ninian park wasn't that long ago and look at aggro there!

I'm of no doubt it would help a lot, and I emphasised the point in the recent fans survey.....

BUT

If like me and many other Cardiff fans (maybe you did) you went to the super cup final, it's plain to see, the CCS can be a cauldron of pure atmosphere, you just need the fans to create it, in both numbers and enthusiasm.
We can blame the club, the manager, the owner, the stadium layout, the plastics, bad football or anything else, if the 'Cardiff fans' who turned up for the cup finals and premier league matches came back we would have a shot at creating a reasonable atmosphere, be even then I'm sure we would rather spend time tutting when the ball gets played back to Marshall, or calling Whitts a c**t.

Guess Rotherham milwall yesterday wasn't a warning what can happen with our minority idiots? Yes easily done but at what potential cost to club and good supporters?

Ninian park wasn't that long ago and look at aggro there!

You are talking Millwall here , they are a law unto themselves, you cannot compare us or anyone else with Millwall for sheer disregard for the law or their liberty

Simple - To get the atmosphere back return us to blue......The place will be rocking !!!!!

It wont happen because the club doesnt understand and a lot of our fans dont understand.

They just want to sit down, eat sandwiches and play on their phones.
Big nasty football fans need not apply.

Shhhhhhh

Guess Rotherham milwall yesterday wasn't a warning what can happen with our minority idiots? Yes easily done but at what potential cost to club and good supporters?

Ninian park wasn't that long ago and look at aggro there!

You are talking Millwall here , they are a law unto themselves, you cannot compare us or anyone else with Millwall for sheer disregard for the law or their liberty

Yes but add wolves leeds swansea and several others to list? Dont forget no police in stadium now that will imediately stop for all games! Costs go up restrictions away will be even worse than know, its a non starter as i said before stadium designed to stop aggro we had at ninian,

I swapped seats yesterday into the Canton and sussed what is missing.....14~ 18 year kids in groups

When i was that age, being 10 stone soaking I didn't get into the scraps, but would I mouth off in the Ninian singing such favourites as" it a long way to central station" and of course "you're going to get your f*****ng head kicked in"

We need to make it much much cheaper for yoofs........

It wont happen because the club doesnt understand and a lot of our fans dont understand.

They just want to sit down, eat sandwiches and play on their phones.
Big nasty football fans need not apply.

Shhhhhhh

At around 5 minutes into the game yesterday, 4 guys sitting in front of me, were more concerned with deciding whether or not that fecking photo of a dress on their phone was blue/black or gold/white
I had to tell him to watch the game and leave his phone alone, like some kid, the guys were in their 40s!!
That's what we have become

I swapped seats yesterday into the Canton and sussed what is missing.....14~ 18 year kids in groups

When i was that age, being 10 stone soaking I didn't get into the scraps, but would I mouth off in the Bob bank singing such favourites as" it a long way to central station" and of course "you're going to get your f*****ng head kicked in"

We need to make it much much cheaper for yoofs........

Ninian = Bob bank - god i am getting old

Guess Rotherham milwall yesterday wasn't a warning what can happen with our minority idiots? Yes easily done but at what potential cost to club and good supporters?

Ninian park wasn't that long ago and look at aggro there!

You are talking Millwall here , they are a law unto themselves, you cannot compare us or anyone else with Millwall for sheer disregard for the law or their liberty

Yes but add wolves leeds swansea and several others to list? Dont forget no police in stadium now that will imediately stop for all games! Costs go up restrictions away will be even worse than know, its a non starter as i said before stadium designed to stop aggro we had at ninian,

Your being alarmist For the high profile games, a couple of officers down the side would more than suffice, everyone bar the odd screwball is too weary of the CCTV to do anything. The positives to the atmosphere out way any negatives

There's no trouble now. Absolutely no reason the two stands can't swap.

Fans who are stating that crowd trouble would persist again;

There's never any trouble at Derby, Norwich, Swansea, West Brom, Man City, Wolves, Reading, Forest, Southampton, West Ham, Newcastle, Hull, Leicester... to just name a few...

All clubs who have singing sections next to their away end and all have better atmospheres than us. It's 2015, unless you're playing Millwall, there is never trouble involving both sets of football fans inside football grounds anymore.

Guess Rotherham milwall yesterday wasn't a warning what can happen with our minority idiots? Yes easily done but at what potential cost to club and good supporters?

Ninian park wasn't that long ago and look at aggro there!

You are talking Millwall here , they are a law unto themselves, you cannot compare us or anyone else with Millwall for sheer disregard for the law or their liberty

Yes but add wolves leeds swansea and several others to list? Dont forget no police in stadium now that will imediately stop for all games! Costs go up restrictions away will be even worse than know, its a non starter as i said before stadium designed to stop aggro we had at ninian,

Your being alarmist For the high profile games, a couple of officers down the side would more than suffice, everyone bar the odd screwball is too weary of the CCTV to do anything. The positives to the atmosphere out way any negatives

Positives for who? Certainly not for club or would have considered it before building stadium, yes for some fans it would be but only minority. and only needs one game of violence to change people's perception of club totally , after all we are still considered a risky fan base in certain parts country!

Been saying this for a while now and with the general improvement of our fans behaviour inside and around the stadium I firmly believe that we will see a standing singing section next to the away fans. The New Grange End.

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Family Stand?

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Famsily Stand?

Whats it got to do with rights? People just want to generate a little bit of atmosphere. By hearing oppossing fans it adds to the rivarly. Especially when you can hear them singing.

What difference would it make to those in the family stand if they switched to the canton? The view would be very similar.

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Famsily Stand?

Whats it got to do with rights? People just want to generate a little bit of atmosphere. By hearing oppossing fans it adds to the rivarly. Especially when you can hear them singing.

What difference would it make to those in the family stand if they switched to the canton? The view would be very similar.

Surely it is everything to do with rights.People who sit in the Family Stand have been canvassed by the club in the past and overwhelmingly said they want to stay there. What right has a small number of fans to override those wishes?

If people want to generate an atmosphere by all means do so by standing and singing in the stand set aside for that? Why the desire to be next to away fans watching them rather than watching the game?

Unfortunately we still have a small number of fans (as witnessed at Bournemouth) who can't be trusted to be next to members
of the human race let alone next to away fans.Why should the club spend a fortune on extra stewards and/policing to accommodate them to the detriment of other fans?

Guess Rotherham milwall yesterday wasn't a warning what can happen with our minority idiots? Yes easily done but at what potential cost to club and good supporters?

Ninian park wasn't that long ago and look at aggro there!

You are talking Millwall here , they are a law unto themselves, you cannot compare us or anyone else with Millwall for sheer disregard for the law or their liberty

Yes but add wolves leeds swansea and several others to list? Dont forget no police in stadium now that will imediately stop for all games! Costs go up restrictions away will be even worse than know, its a non starter as i said before stadium designed to stop aggro we had at ninian,

So explain how we go to west brom, wolves, Leeds, palace etc etc and there's not any trouble? The swansea game will always have a big police presence no matter what.

Do you go to away games mate because I'd say 9/10 were next to the singing away fans and there's no trouble just a good crack. Times have changed.

I understand that by switching stands this could add to the atmosphere (although so would the return of those fans who said they would only come back when the team went back to blue, but then didn't bother).

However, as a parent I think it could be seen as provocative switching with the fans in the Canton Stand. I would be concerned about bringing my kids, if I thought there could be trouble (even if that concern was unfounded).

I know other clubs have put fans close together without trouble. But they haven't also switched their family section have they?

Cardiff wants to promote families. By undertaking that sort of switch, it could drive them away. As I say some of those concerns would be likely to be unfounded but its still going to be the perception.

For those reasons, I can't see a switch happening. I'm not against the intention behind a switch, I just think it would send out the wrong message to families.

It wont happen. Costs would go up due to extra stewards and police.
We are severely cost cutting at the moment.
Unfortunately the atmosphere is due to all seater stadiums.

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Famsily Stand?

Whats it got to do with rights? People just want to generate a little bit of atmosphere. By hearing oppossing fans it adds to the rivarly. Especially when you can hear them singing.

What difference would it make to those in the family stand if they switched to the canton? The view would be very similar.

Surely it is everything to do with rights.People who sit in the Family Stand have been canvassed by the club in the past and overwhelmingly said they want to stay there. What right has a small number of fans to override those wishes?

If people want to generate an atmosphere by all means do so by standing and singing in the stand set aside for that? Why the desire to be next to away fans watching them rather than watching the game?

Unfortunately we still have a small number of fans (as witneawwssed at Bournemouth) who can't be trusted to be next to members
of the human race let alone next to away fans.Why should the club spend a fortune on extra stewards and/policing to accommodate them to the detriment of other fans?

You say nobody answered your question then answer mine.
What difference it make to the fans in the family stand if they watched from the canton?

For me, this would be the best thing that could happen for the atmosphere & general match day experience.
Family ST's holders swop so get an identical view, segregation & different entrances so no trouble & the singing & banter would increase & help the buzz throughout the whole stadium IMO.

Only one problem though ......... It will never happen!

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Famsily Stand?

Whats it got to do with rights? People just want to generate a little bit of atmosphere. By hearing oppossing fans it adds to the rivarly. Especially when you can hear them singing.

What difference would it make to those in the family stand if they switched to the canton? The view would be very similar.

Surely it is everything to do with rights.People who sit in the Family Stand have been canvassed by the club in the past and overwhelmingly said they want to stay there. What right has a small number of fans to override those wishes?

If people want to generate an atmosphere by all means do so by standing and singing in the stand set aside for that? Why the desire to be next to away fans watching them rather than watching the game?

Unfortunately we still have a small number of fans (as witneawwssed at Bournemouth) who can't be trusted to be next to members
of the human race let alone next to away fans.Why should the club spend a fortune on extra stewards and/policing to accommodate them to the detriment of other fans?

You say nobody answered your question then answer mine.
What difference it make to the fans in the family stand if they watched from the canton?

The difference is that they will have been forced to relocate from an area of the ground that they have clearly stated they wish to remain in just to accomodate a small number of fans who seem to think they are better or have more rights to their choice of seats than they do. Why do you believe you have the right to tell them where they should sit?

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Famsily Stand?

Whats it got to do with rights? People just want to generate a little bit of atmosphere. By hearing oppossing fans it adds to the rivarly. Especially when you can hear them singing.

What difference would it make to those in the family stand if they switched to the canton? The view would be very similar.

Surely it is everything to do with rights.People who sit in the Family Stand have been canvassed by the club in the past and overwhelmingly said they want to stay there. What right has a small number of fans to override those wishes?

If people want to generate an atmosphere by all means do so by standing and singing in the stand set aside for that? Why the desire to be next to away fans watching them rather than watching the game?

Unfortunately we still have a small number of fans (as witneawwssed at Bournemouth) who can't be trusted to be next to members
of the human race let alone next to away fans.Why should the club spend a fortune on extra stewards and/policing to accommodate them to the detriment of other fans?

You say nobody answered your question then answer mine.
What difference it make to the fans in the family stand if they watched from the canton?

The difference is that they will have been forced to relocate from an area of the ground that they have clearly stated they wish to remain in just to accomodate a small number of fans who seem to think they are better or have more rights to their choice of seats than they do. Why do you believe you have the right to tell them where they should sit?

Looking at it logically, it just doesn't make sense to me that parents would actually enjoy being sat next to the away section where their children have the greatest chance/risk of being verbally abused and frightened by the language or gestures that usually come from all away supporters. Why anyone would want to argue that is a better place for families to sit rather than the other end of the ground just doesn't add up.

The club should think about putting our fans back by the away fans to drown them out we can't keep having fans coming here and out singing us more so when they bring big support the atmosphere at Derby was fantastic when I was there with City this season they are right by the away fans same at west bromich albion

Every time someone raises this issue I contribute the same answer which no one seems able to answer.

Why do those people who keep asking the club to swap around the ends of the stadium think they have any greater rights than all the people who want to remain in their seats in the Famsily Stand?

Whats it got to do with rights? People just want to generate a little bit of atmosphere. By hearing oppossing fans it adds to the rivarly. Especially when you can hear them singing.

What difference would it make to those in the family stand if they switched to the canton? The view would be very similar.

Surely it is everything to do with rights.People who sit in the Family Stand have been canvassed by the club in the past and overwhelmingly said they want to stay there. What right has a small number of fans to override those wishes?

If people want to generate an atmosphere by all means do so by standing and singing in the stand set aside for that? Why the desire to be next to away fans watching them rather than watching the game?

Unfortunately we still have a small number of fans (as witneawwssed at Bournemouth) who can't be trusted to be next to members
of the human race let alone next to away fans.Why should the club spend a fortune on extra stewards and/policing to accommodate them to the detriment of other fans?

You say nobody answered your question then answer mine.
What difference it make to the fans in the family stand if they watched from the canton?

The difference is that they will have been forced to relocate from an area of the ground that they have clearly stated they wish to remain in just to accomodate a small number of fans who seem to think they are better or have more rights to their choice of seats than they do. Why do you believe you have the right to tell them where they should sit?

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Looking at it logically, it just doesn't make sense to me that parents would actually enjoy being sat next to the away section where their children have the greatest chance/risk of being verbally abused and frightened by the language or gestures that usually come from all away supporters. Why anyone would want to argue that is a better place for families to sit rather than the other end of the ground just doesn't add up.

The Canton end is very noisy when our fans choose to sing, they just don't realise or appreciate it, when they're in amongst it!

Selhurst Park by contrast is extremely noisy and the noise is caused in the main, by a relatively small amount of their fans, stuck away in a little corner of the ground, well away from the opposition fans!

The main difference between their small amount of fans to our larger quantity of fans in the Canton, is that they've found a quite simple and catchy repetetive tune to blast out, whilst we are too focused on the Jacks, which is boring and doesn't inspire the majority of our fans to keep blasting out!!