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No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:38 pm

Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:40 pm

maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.
agree

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:41 pm

I think that's a fair compromise. A part of Tans deal was to convert debt to equity if were in red, obviously if were back in blue then I wouldn't expect him to stick to that.

I would be happy with a return to original colours and traditional badge but no debt to equity.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:45 pm

A block wrote:I think that's a fair compromise. A part of Tans deal was to convert debt to equity if were in red, obviously if were back in blue then I wouldn't expect him to stick to that.

I would be happy with a return to original colours and traditional badge but no debt to equity.


Some will still want that no doubt.

I wonder if all the other parts of the deal will be stopped or sold. Training ground etc.

I bet he wishes he didn't settle with Langstone now.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:37 pm

:bluescarf:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:42 pm

:bluescarf:

Forever, wherever

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:56 pm

This is my worry and why I've always tolerated the rebrand.

I take the opposing view that we could play in whatever colour but only significant finance can ensure survival and maybe take our club into a period of real success and greatness.

I'd still swap the colours for turning our club into one of the big players because......

That's what I feel Cardiff City should aspire to.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:14 pm

wez1927 wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.
agree



Totally agree. Who says we have to spend loads or money to be successful anyway. We spent more than the other promoted clubs in premier last year and got battered. To be fair to Slade his success in football has been creating successful teams (to a degree with little money) and I have a feeling he might shock some of us and make us more competitive with less money.

I know I was always proud of the dave Jones sides who punched well above their weight, even more so in some respects than the malky sides who had resources. Being the underdog in blue would suit us more than a favourite in red.

As regards worrying about debt it's all owed to tan anyway so if he pulls the plug he loses everything. I would rather penny pinch for a few seasons in our proper kit while he recoups his dough to sell than carry along down the road we are in an alien kit and not getting success anyway.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:14 pm

wez1927 wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.
agree



Totally agree. Who says we have to spend loads or money to be successful anyway. We spent more than the other promoted clubs in premier last year and got battered. To be fair to Slade his success in football has been creating successful teams (to a degree with little money) and I have a feeling he might shock some of us and make us more competitive with less money.

I know I was always proud of the dave Jones sides who punched well above their weight, even more so in some respects than the malky sides who had resources. Being the underdog in blue would suit us more than a favourite in red.

As regards worrying about debt it's all owed to tan anyway so if he pulls the plug he loses everything. I would rather penny pinch for a few seasons in our proper kit while he recoups his dough to sell than carry along down the road we are in an alien kit and not getting success anyway.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:21 pm

Totally fair and acceptable. I'll take it please.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:21 pm

Playing in blue will hopefully re unite the fanbase and improve the atmosphere especially at home. Supporting Cardiff will be enjoyable again and enjoyment is certainly why I follow them,
Plus I perssume we are keeping hold of Marshall,whitts,noone etc,players that have proven in the past they have the quality to get us to the top end of the table.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:23 pm

Norman146 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.
agree



Totally agree. Who says we have to spend loads or money to be successful anyway. We spent more than the other promoted clubs in premier last year and got battered. To be fair to Slade his success in football has been creating successful teams (to a degree with little money) and I have a feeling he might shock some of us and make us more competitive with less money.

I know I was always proud of the dave Jones sides who punched well above their weight, even more so in some respects than the malky sides who had resources. Being the underdog in blue would suit us more than a favourite in red.

As regards worrying about debt it's all owed to tan anyway so if he pulls the plug he loses everything. I would rather penny pinch for a few seasons in our proper kit while he recoups his dough to sell than carry along down the road we are in an alien kit and not getting success anyway.


Agree :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:34 pm

one thing though, if there are big cut backs in the playing budget and in general, its daylight robbery to charge fans between £450 - £690 for a season ticket.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:38 pm

maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Absolutely agree.

If we do go back to blue, what will we moan and complain about then?

Probably the team and the manager and the gradual return of the club to League 1 or lower.

I'm afraid that although I think any return to blue would in part unite the fans, unfortunately we have to accept that for many supporters the standard of football played and the division we are playing in will have as much an influence on whether they attend matches as what colour shirt we play in.

If we continue to play such dire football and either get relegated or end the season in the lower reaches of the division then season ticket sales for next season are going to plummet, even if we do go back to blue.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:43 pm

davids wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Absolutely agree.

If we do go back to blue, what will we moan and complain about then?

Probably the team and the manager and the gradual return of the club to League 1 or lower.

I'm afraid that although I think any return to blue would in part unite the fans, unfortunately we have to accept that for many supporters the standard of football played and the division we are playing in will have as much an influence on whether they attend matches as what colour shirt we play in.

If we continue to play such dire football and either get relegated or end the season in the lower reaches of the division then season ticket sales for next season are going to plummet, even if we do go back to blue.


Correct. Although there are those that will say changing to blue will mean 30k crowds rocking the CCS. Of course we know that is bullshit.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:45 pm

davids wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Absolutely agree.

If we do go back to blue, what will we moan and complain about then?

Probably the team and the manager and the gradual return of the club to League 1 or lower.

I'm afraid that although I think any return to blue would in part unite the fans, unfortunately we have to accept that for many supporters the standard of football played and the division we are playing in will have as much an influence on whether they attend matches as what colour shirt we play in.

If we continue to play such dire football and either get relegated or end the season in the lower reaches of the division then season ticket sales for next season are going to plummet, even if we do go back to blue.


Here here! People need to be careful with what they wish for

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:47 pm

TaffEmbankment wrote:
davids wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Absolutely agree.

If we do go back to blue, what will we moan and complain about then?

Probably the team and the manager and the gradual return of the club to League 1 or lower.

I'm afraid that although I think any return to blue would in part unite the fans, unfortunately we have to accept that for many supporters the standard of football played and the division we are playing in will have as much an influence on whether they attend matches as what colour shirt we play in.

If we continue to play such dire football and either get relegated or end the season in the lower reaches of the division then season ticket sales for next season are going to plummet, even if we do go back to blue.


Here here! People need to be careful with what they wish for


At the moment it seems the blinkers are on with the majority, only caring for a return to blue with no regard to the longer term consequences of the football club

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:50 pm

maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Back to blue then Tan to f**k off I want.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:53 pm

murphy wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Back to blue then Tan to f**k off I want.


Will you then moan about how shit the signings are? How little money we are spending in the transfer market? All the quality we have shipped out and replaced with budget players?

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:56 pm

TaffEmbankment wrote:
murphy wrote:
maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.


Back to blue then Tan to f**k off I want.


Will you then moan about how shit the signings are? How little money we are spending in the transfer market? All the quality we have shipped out and replaced with budget players?


Or the court cases. Regular court cases where we are close to getting liquidated.

Hey we will die in blue.

Please God I hope this doesn't happen.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:41 pm

A lot of forum members seem to be assuming that a return to blue is the main thing on the agenda in this meeting, quite likely that will be the case but with multi millionaire businessmen (Tan) they rarely give and don't expect anything in return. There's gonna be a degree of give and take expected from the owner, what that may be is anybody's guess as the original agreement involved investment in return for the rebrand. I believe a lot of belts will be being tightened around the club (as has been witnessed already with the appointment of a bargain basement manager and his assistant and the quality of player we're pursuing in the Jan window).
The 442 system will continue to be played by the manager, we'll continue to be starved of possession, the football will continue to be dire and boring and the results will still be poor and disappointing, will a return to blue bring the fans rushing back in their thousands and stop the boooing of our players with this being served up each game?
I go to watch City playing and pay good money to do so but tbh I wonder about my sanity when I look at what's served up by the team and manager, whether a return to blue will give fans the feel good factor and if it does for how long will it last with shite football on the menu every week and little or no investment in the club?
Happy days we're going blue again but Christ what kind of football are we gonna be watching for the next 2/3 or more years?
A few posters stated they would be happy for us to be lingering around the fringes of league 1 or 2 as long as the team wore blue shirts and a badge with a more prominent bluebird on it..those days may be nearer than we think. :thumbup:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:47 pm

CF64 BLUE wrote:A lot of forum members seem to be assuming that a return to blue is the main thing on the agenda in this meeting, quite likely that will be the case but with multi millionaire businessmen (Tan) they rarely give and don't expect anything in return. There's gonna be a degree of give and take expected from the owner, what that may be is anybody's guess as the original agreement involved investment in return for the rebrand. I believe a lot of belts will be being tightened around the club (as has been witnessed already with the appointment of a bargain basement manager and his assistant and the quality of player we're pursuing in the Jan window).
The 442 system will continue to be played by the manager, we'll continue to be starved of possession, the football will continue to be dire and boring and the results will still be poor and disappointing, will a return to blue bring the fans rushing back in their thousands and stop the boooing of our players with this being served up each game?
I go to watch City playing and pay good money to do so but tbh I wonder about my sanity when I look at what's served up by the team and manager, whether a return to blue will give fans the feel good factor and if it does for how long will it last with shite football on the menu every week and little or no investment in the club?
Happy days we're going blue again but Christ what kind of football are we gonna be watching for the next 2/3 or more years?
A few posters stated they would be happy for us to be lingering around the fringes of league 1 or 2 as long as the team wore blue shirts and a badge with a more prominent bluebird on it..those days may be nearer than we think. :thumbup:





I have to agree with all of that!

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:57 pm

CF64 BLUE wrote:A lot of forum members seem to be assuming that a return to blue is the main thing on the agenda in this meeting, quite likely that will be the case but with multi millionaire businessmen (Tan) they rarely give and don't expect anything in return. There's gonna be a degree of give and take expected from the owner, what that may be is anybody's guess as the original agreement involved investment in return for the rebrand. I believe a lot of belts will be being tightened around the club (as has been witnessed already with the appointment of a bargain basement manager and his assistant and the quality of player we're pursuing in the Jan window).
The 442 system will continue to be played by the manager, we'll continue to be starved of possession, the football will continue to be dire and boring and the results will still be poor and disappointing, will a return to blue bring the fans rushing back in their thousands and stop the boooing of our players with this being served up each game?
I go to watch City playing and pay good money to do so but tbh I wonder about my sanity when I look at what's served up by the team and manager, whether a return to blue will give fans the feel good factor and if it does for how long will it last with shite football on the menu every week and little or no investment in the club?
Happy days we're going blue again but Christ what kind of football are we gonna be watching for the next 2/3 or more years?
A few posters stated they would be happy for us to be lingering around the fringes of league 1 or 2 as long as the team wore blue shirts and a badge with a more prominent bluebird on it..those days may be nearer than we think. :thumbup:


good point, changing the club back to blue and drastically cutting the budget would lead to thousands not renewing due to poor football and lower league positionings.

but, the atmosphere would be better. it would be cardiff city fc, thats why its worth doing. the plastics who are only around for the good times will not be missed. :ayatollah:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:00 am

Happy with all this providing we are BLUE :bluescarf:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:01 am

Oh my god, i hope none of you lot are going to that meeting. Tan's got you eating out of his hand hasn't he. Dear god, grow a backbone FFS :lol:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:06 am

harold pinta wrote:Oh my god, i hope none of you lot are going to that meeting. Tan's got you eating out of his hand hasn't he. Dear god, grow a backbone FFS :lol:


not with me sunshine. my view is simple. complete reversal of rebrand, no concessions. if he says he'll cut back the budget, then so be it, i'm fed up of him playing childish games with grown men, this is our club and i will not tolerate any more crap from that man :ayatollah:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:08 am

SwampCCFC wrote:
harold pinta wrote:Oh my god, i hope none of you lot are going to that meeting. Tan's got you eating out of his hand hasn't he. Dear god, grow a backbone FFS :lol:


not with me sunshine. my view is simple. complete reversal of rebrand, no concessions. if he says he'll cut back the budget, then so be it, i'm fed up of him playing childish games with grown men, this is our club and i will not tolerate any more crap from that man :ayatollah:


That's the stuff butt! :thumbup:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:11 am

harold pinta wrote:
SwampCCFC wrote:
harold pinta wrote:Oh my god, i hope none of you lot are going to that meeting. Tan's got you eating out of his hand hasn't he. Dear god, grow a backbone FFS :lol:


not with me sunshine. my view is simple. complete reversal of rebrand, no concessions. if he says he'll cut back the budget, then so be it, i'm fed up of him playing childish games with grown men, this is our club and i will not tolerate any more crap from that man :ayatollah:


That's the stuff butt! :thumbup:


:bluescarf:

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:25 am

The point is we all hope that after today's meeting there will be some sort of agreement on a return to blue, but we're all gonna still be bored to death of shite football and watching our team overwhelmed in the middle of the park and consequently lose many more games than we win.
The euphoria of getting our blue back will soon wear off if our team carry on playing in the same vein that we've seen so far this season.
If we achieve our aim of a return to blue we then need to make our feelings known regarding the shite that we've got to sit through on a weekly basis because that's not improving at all in fact the football's getting worse.
It's hard sometimes to make the effort to attend games when I know what kind of football I'm gonna have to endure.
If we go blue next season then great but some entertainment to go with it would be appreciated.

Re: No debt to equity, no big signings, maybe no premiership

Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:54 am

maccydee wrote:Will likely be the price for going back to blue. Please don't moan like we are doing Revell. We cannot have our cake and eat it and wear what we want while eating the cake.

I would take relegation now if it meant going back to blue. That's how much I want it.