Another terrorist attack on a non-Muslim country

Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and injuring seven, French officials say.

At least two masked attackers opened fire with assault rifles in the office and exchanged shots with police in the street outside before escaping by car.

President Francois Hollande said there was no doubt it had been a terrorist attack "of exceptional barbarity".

A major police operation is under way in the Paris area to catch the killers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

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Apparently the magazine printed articles about Mohammed.

The French, Italians and Germans have already have a spike in anti-Muslim public opinion.

The National Front in France are supposedly a racist party. They are 3rd favourites to win the next election. That isn't like the Lib Dems in the UK, they have a genuine chance of winning the whole thing. They have just gained a large amount of voters.

No idea what we do about it but eventually normal people in Christian countries like ourselves will start revenge attacks. It is only a matter of time.

Videos of the attack *Contains footage of the actual attack, people being shots at point blank range etc*

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=85c_1420633406

The Lavon Affair, mk 2.

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

I think it is time countries like ourselves and France actively look for a solution rather than twiddle our thumbs any longer.

Muslims are seen as the victim, always.

For a large amount of them the only end result is for every none Muslim to be dead. That is what Muhammed directed them to do. That is what sways my opinion a lot of these debates. Would Palestine be happy to live in peace next to Israel for example. Some Palestinians would yes but there is absolutely no chance it would be peace as we have between France. Nothing would change. Attacks would continue.

Here are some quotes from the Qur'an:

“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors”. 2:190

"قاتلوا في سبيل الله الذين يقاتلونكم ولا تعتدوا إن الله لا يحب المعتدين" البقرة 190:2

“And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter” 2:191

" وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِجُوهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ أَخْرَجُوكُمْ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ وَلاَ تُقَاتِلُوهُمْ عِندَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ حَتَّى يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِيهِ فَإِن قَاتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ كَذَلِكَ جَزَاء الْكَافِرِينَ" البقرة 191:2
“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and Faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression”. 2:193

http://www.indaweb.com/oil/editorialopi ... ice01l.htm

Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

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its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

France voted in favour of a Palestenian state last month. Now this. History repeating itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslim ... ca/5333619

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14261716

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/update ... y-muslims/

This is a horrific act by scum that should be brought to justice. But don't act like this is some unique problem to people of a certain religion. You're wrong.

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslim ... ca/5333619

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14261716

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/update ... y-muslims/

This is a horrific act by scum that should be brought to justice. But don't act like this is some unique problem to people of a certain religion. You're wrong.

That is completely wrong and you know it.

People are being slaughtered by the truck load in Africa and the Middle East.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=world ... d=0CAQQ_AU 1.6billion Muslims, if the religion itself was an actual problem they'd have steam roller end this plane at a long time ago. Paranoid white people are hilarious.

I know plenty of Muslims who are always left embarrassed by things like this as it always ends with arrogant people stereotyping all Muslims into one group of terrorists, and now yet again its going to happen

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=world+population+of+muslims&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB606GB606&espv=1&hl=en-GB&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=PzetVJ6AD5Ou7Aao5YGoDQ&ved=0CAQQ_AU 1.6billion Muslims, if the religion itself was an actual problem they'd have steam roller end this plane at a long time ago. Paranoid white people are hilarious.

but if i'm black, what does that change?

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

to 99% of muslims it isnt beyond critisism and satire, thats part of a wider problem, remember when that guy killed all those kids in that norweigen island in 2011? he did it because he believed his government to be 'godless' but no one considers it to be a religiously motivated terrorist attack. no one says "christians are stuck in the 1500s...how could those christians do something like this?" etc etc. but when muslims do it its automaticly all muslims feeling this way. its automatically a problem with a religion not, as is actually the case, a problem with nut jobs

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

to 99% of muslims it isnt beyond critisism and satire, thats part of a wider problem, remember when that guy killed all those kids in that norweigen island in 2011? he did it because he believed his government to be 'godless' but no one considers it to be a religiously motivated terrorist attack. no one says "christians are stuck in the 1500s...how could those christians do something like this?" etc etc. but when muslims do it its automaticly all muslims feeling this way. its automatically a problem with a religion not, as is actually the case, a problem with nut jobs

breivik has paranoid schizophrenia, and deemed to be criminally insane. these attackers were professional and clinical in their murders. it was business like.

thoughts of course with the families and locals who are living in fear at the moment.

It will be interesting to see how our left wing liberal media, who fall over backwards to appease Islam,handle this

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

to 99% of muslims it isnt beyond critisism and satire, thats part of a wider problem, remember when that guy killed all those kids in that norweigen island in 2011? he did it because he believed his government to be 'godless' but no one considers it to be a religiously motivated terrorist attack. no one says "christians are stuck in the 1500s...how could those christians do something like this?" etc etc. but when muslims do it its automaticly all muslims feeling this way. its automatically a problem with a religion not, as is actually the case, a problem with nut jobs

breivik has paranoid schizophrenia, and deemed to be criminally insane. these attackers were professional and clinical in their murders. it was business like.

thoughts of course with the families and locals who are living in fear at the moment.

You've psych evaluated them already

If I had a drug that made people my slave and I injected 1.6billion people and an absolute minority became my slave. My drug isn't very effective is it?

Maybe there's more too it than just a religion. But that would require a thinking cap

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

I think it is time countries like ourselves and France actively look for a solution rather than twiddle our thumbs any longer.

Muslims are seen as the victim, always.

For a large amount of them the only end result is for every none Muslim to be dead. That is what Muhammed directed them to do. That is what sways my opinion a lot of these debates. Would Palestine be happy to live in peace next to Israel for example. Some Palestinians would yes but there is absolutely no chance it would be peace as we have between France. Nothing would change. Attacks would continue.

Here are some quotes from the Qur'an:

“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors”. 2:190

"قاتلوا في سبيل الله الذين يقاتلونكم ولا تعتدوا إن الله لا يحب المعتدين" البقرة 190:2

“And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter” 2:191

" وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِجُوهُم مِّنْ حَيْثُ أَخْرَجُوكُمْ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ وَلاَ تُقَاتِلُوهُمْ عِندَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ حَتَّى يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِيهِ فَإِن قَاتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ كَذَلِكَ جَزَاء الْكَافِرِينَ" البقرة 191:2
“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and Faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression”. 2:193

Very easy to quote from any religious text and find things saying "go and be a total asshole and kill people"

In reality, most Muslims remain a peaceful people. There are nutters in EVERY walk of life and EVERY religion.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=world+population+of+muslims&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB606GB606&espv=1&hl=en-GB&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=PzetVJ6AD5Ou7Aao5YGoDQ&ved=0CAQQ_AU 1.6billion Muslims, if the religion itself was an actual problem they'd have steam roller end this plane at a long time ago. Paranoid white people are hilarious.

I am sort of an off biege.I have no time for this coulour crap.Its not the ordinary Muslim in the street'but rather the Teaching's of their holy book.It looks like a conflict is on the way.Thank God i have moved onto my mountain in the stick's.

I dont think its Muslims being seen as 'victims' as such.

The west have completely ruined muslim countries, from families to all of their infrastructure with our illegal wars. These mass murders our countries have committed, however, arent considered as acts of terror - which they most certainly are.

If you look at the figures of deaths in the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you will see the majority of deaths are of innocent families. If Iraq, for arguments sake, invaded our country, killed all of your family and left you with nothing (this happens on a mass scale) how would you, and how would you react?

It is also important to mention, that the majority of these terrorists, like the one in Australia for example have psychological illnesses. Now is it because they are muslims, or because they are mentally ill the reason for these attacks?

It is generally, a very misguided individual who doesnt fit in with society that is targeted by these militant groups to commit these atrocities and not your general muslim.

And example I like to use is this:

Two years ago a mentally ill, white male came to my house and tried to murder me and my family. Is this white male representative of all white males? No, he is not. Was there uproar when it happened within the media? No. If he was a muslim male, I guaranteed it would have made the front page of every newspaper in the country.

If you take into consideration the amount of muslims there are worldwide, and the amount of terrorists and terror attacks committed by muslims, it is a very, very, very small percent.

I dont think its Muslims being seen as 'victims' as such.

The west have completely ruined muslim countries, from families to all of their infrastructure with our illegal wars. These mass murders our countries have committed, however, arent considered as acts of terror - which they most certainly are.

If you look at the figures of deaths in the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you will see the majority of deaths are of innocent families. If Iraq, for arguments sake, invaded our country, killed all of your family and left you with nothing (this happens on a mass scale) how would you, and how would you react?

It is also important to mention, that the majority of these terrorists, like the one in Australia for example have psychological illnesses. Now is it because they are muslims, or because they are mentally ill the reason for these attacks?

It is generally, a very misguided individual who doesnt fit in with society that is targeted by these militant groups to commit these atrocities and not your general muslim.

And example I like to use is this:

Two years ago a mentally ill, white male came to my house and tried to murder me and my family. Is this white male representative of all white males? No, he is not. Was there uproar when it happened within the media? No. If he was a muslim male, I guaranteed it would have made the front page of every newspaper in the country.

If you take into consideration the amount of muslims there are worldwide, and the amount of terrorists and terror attacks committed by muslims, it is a very, very, very small percent.

Spot on.

It is quite pathetic.

You make excuses for terrorism. "Psychological problem". Victimising them, one again.

Lets blame Greece for murdering million during their empire?. Or the crusades? How about Germany?

Or maybe, that rad idea, the Ottoman empire?.

You know right from wrong from 2 years old. You know not to behead someone.

The difference is the muslim extremists kill for religion. All the white terrorists listed above don't. That is the difference.

There are tens of millions of people that believe in Sharia law. They may not carry out attacks like today, but you would be a goner if you visited their country.

Islam will always be taken by some as an instruction to kill other people. You cannot deny that.

Therefore what do we do?.

It is quite pathetic.

You make excuses for terrorism. "Psychological problem". Victimising them, one again.

Lets blame Greece for murdering million during their empire?. Or the crusades? How about Germany?

Or maybe, that rad idea, the Ottoman empire?.

You know right from wrong from 2 years old. You know not to behead someone.

The difference is the muslim extremists kill for religion. All the white terrorists listed above don't. That is the difference.

There are tens of millions of people that believe in Sharia law. They may not carry out attacks like today, but you would be a goner if you visited their country.

How is it victimising them ? There is rational reasoning into why these people are being converted into extremists. Its not because they are your average muslim, but because they generally (not always I admit) mentally ill or do not 'fit in' within society. It is these individuals who are targeted, as they are easily manipulated and converted into extremists.

Yes they do kill over religion, but it isnt as simple as that. There are much deeper social and psychological issues behind them that you are ignoring and just assuming it is all to do with religion.

And our illegal war in Iraq was over money, oil and greed - not religion, but is that better? I dont think so. Furthermore, what about the old IRA bombings, a lot of that was to do with religion and nationalism. So you are actually incorrect. What about when Hitler killed millions of jews, that was to do with religion as well and he was no muslim.

The answer to these issues is to not create further divide by hate and further war but to find a solution. I dont know what the solution is but bar is never the answer.

Islam will always be taken by some as an instruction to kill other people. You cannot deny that.

Therefore what do we do?.

It is used by extremists to manipulate individuals who are generally seeking and 'identity' in life as they do not fit in, or individuals with mental health problems.

The solution is a difficult one, but is certainly lies as a social problem and the government should be focussing more time on sorting that, rather than starting another war which in itself creates further extremists. This war on terror is a vicious circle, killing millions of innocent people and converting a lot of people into extremists as they are angry for what they have lost.

It is a lot deeper and more complex than just saying Islamists are evil.

Before the war in Iraq, terror attacks from Muslim extremists were few and far between. Dont you think its a bit of coincidence that since the west, who take no responsibility at all in the increase in terror attacks, killed thousands, upon thousands of innocent muslims there has been a dramatic rise is Islamic terrorists?

its got to stop, why are all these terrorist attacks all muslim?

why is it that this religion is beyond criticism and satire? this is the 21st century, but this religion is stuck in the 1500's, how many more innocent people will be murdered before it modernises?

to 99% of muslims it isnt beyond critisism and satire, thats part of a wider problem, remember when that guy killed all those kids in that norweigen island in 2011? he did it because he believed his government to be 'godless' but no one considers it to be a religiously motivated terrorist attack. no one says "christians are stuck in the 1500s...how could those christians do something like this?" etc etc. but when muslims do it its automaticly all muslims feeling this way. its automatically a problem with a religion not, as is actually the case, a problem with nut jobs

breivik has paranoid schizophrenia, and deemed to be criminally insane. these attackers were professional and clinical in their murders. it was business like.

thoughts of course with the families and locals who are living in fear at the moment.

So yeah. It was business. With around 20% of the world's population being Muslim I would guess they are responsible for far less than 20% of the world's killings

Islam is an evil wicked religion. The liberal governments are allowing mass uncontrolled Muslim immigration and is changing our culture. 200,000 asylum seekers (Muslim) arrived in Germany last year and the demonstrations are growing bigger and bigger as they can see what's happening and will happen down the road in future.

The West need to act because one day they're going to take over. 2002, Tony Blair said Britain will have a Muslim prime minister one day and at the rate they breed and are allowed in then yes, we will, and god help us.

Islam will always be taken by some as an instruction to kill other people. You cannot deny that.

Therefore what do we do?.

It is used by extremists to manipulate individuals who are generally seeking and 'identity' in life as they do not fit in, or individuals with mental health problems.

The solution is a difficult one, but is certainly lies as a social problem and the government should be focussing more time on sorting that, rather than starting another war which in itself creates further extremists. This war on terror is a vicious circle, killing millions of innocent people and converting a lot of people into extremists as they are angry for what they have lost.

It is a lot deeper and more complex than just saying Islamists are evil.

Before the war in Iraq, terror attacks from Muslim extremists were few and far between. Dont you think its a bit of coincidence that since the west, who take no responsibility at all in the increase in terror attacks, killed thousands, upon thousands of innocent muslims there has been a dramatic rise is Islamic terrorists?

Some of these so called extremists actually had good upbringings and very good well paid jobs. Under our system and way of living. Using religion as n excuse..

If they don't like the wests ways, go back to the Middle East and abide with their sharia law etc.... It will never happen in a democracy and freedom of speech civilisation.

Islam will always be taken by some as an instruction to kill other people. You cannot deny that.

Therefore what do we do?.

It is used by extremists to manipulate individuals who are generally seeking and 'identity' in life as they do not fit in, or individuals with mental health problems.

The solution is a difficult one, but is certainly lies as a social problem and the government should be focussing more time on sorting that, rather than starting another war which in itself creates further extremists. This war on terror is a vicious circle, killing millions of innocent people and converting a lot of people into extremists as they are angry for what they have lost.

It is a lot deeper and more complex than just saying Islamists are evil.

Before the war in Iraq, terror attacks from Muslim extremists were few and far between. Dont you think its a bit of coincidence that since the west, who take no responsibility at all in the increase in terror attacks, killed thousands, upon thousands of innocent muslims there has been a dramatic rise is Islamic terrorists?

Some of these so called extremists actually had good upbringings and very good well paid jobs. Under our system and way of living. Using religion as n excuse..

If they don't like the wests ways, go back to the Middle East and abide with their sharia law etc.... It will never happen in a democracy and freedom of speech civilisation.

Can I ask you this. Before the illegal war in Iraq, how many Muslim terror attacks had we experienced? They were certainly few and far between. Since the war in Iraq, they have increased rapidly. Do you not feel that this is related with the thousands of innocent people murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan by western soldiers? And therefore, does the West have a massive part to play in this?

If religion wasn't invented all those years ago the world would be so much better off.

The 1998 1998 United States embassy bombing in Nairobi where 214 people were killed including 12 Americans, 4000 others were wounded.

United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.

Algeria December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.

Saudi Arabia June 25, 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.

Egypt November 17, 1997 – Luxor massacre, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attacked tourists at the Luxor ruins. 62 killed, 26 injured.

Tanzania Kenya United States August 7, 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead, 4000+ injured.

Yemen October 12, 2000 – Attack on the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, 39 injured.
Indonesia December 24, 2000 – Christmas Eve 2000 Indonesia bombings of churches in eight cities, 18 killed.

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Not that many I'll accept, but do you honestly believe these people were peaceful in the time before mass media coverage?. Imagine the amount of people killed under Shar'ia 40 years ago?.

The west does has a massive part to play in this and is known by everyone. We basically endorsed mass murder with Assad. Im bored of saying it but we have been a witness to the biggest massacre of decades. 200,000 dead and counting. We did nothing, so many Sunni muslims will hate us as we turned our backs while Assad carried out his cleansing.

So lets do something about this, lets enter Syria. Is that an illegal war? Not for me. It would be a blood bath and it would infuriate Iran. Which would simply lead to spike in shia hatred.

Was the Gulf War an illegal war?. Was the killing of Gaddafi not based on him murdering thousands of his own?. Saddam Hussein?. That is the type of leader these countries would be lead by if we did not enter the conflict. So imagine the level of slaughter decades ago.

A lot of peaceful Muslims in these countries are fully behind the West. A lot forget that. The Wests awful actions in the Middle East simply give the extremists another reason to attack, they would do it any way. We have entered conflicts in the past for good reasons.

The Sunnis and Shias will never live peaceful together will they?. So why do they think they will be peaceful if we left.