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Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:32 pm
' THE BIG QUESTION ? ? '
Money was not wasted to get promotion under Malky Mackay, because everything that was asked for was delivered, Promotion and Champions
Once promoted, yes money was wasted big time.
Then Ole Gunnar Solskjaer with No real pedigree as a manager was given multi millions in wages(backroom staff) and about 7 players to keep us up on high wages,that completely failed.
Ole should of gone then.
Tan then gave Ole Gunnar Solskjaer an open cheque book to take us back up
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Including some of Oles players below.
' THE BIG QUESTION IS '
" IS THIS SQUAD GOOD ENOUGH, WITH THE RIGHT MANAGER TO TAKE US UP ? "
Honest/sensible answers please

1. David Marshall Vice Captain
2. John Brayford
3. Fábio da Silva
4. Juan Cala
5. Bruno Ecuele Mang
6. Ben Turner
7. Peter Whittingham
8. Kagisho Dikcagoi
9. Kenwyne Jones
10. Adam Le Fondre
11. Craig Noone
12. Declan John
13. Kim Bo-Kyung
14. Federico Macheda
15. Magnus Wolff Eikrem
16. Matt Connolly
17. Aron Gunnarsson
18. Tom Adeyemi
19. Anthony Pilkington
20. Mats Møller Dæhli
21. Joe Ralls
22. Javi Guerra
23. Nicky Maynard
25.
26. Filip Kiss
28.
30. Guido Burgstaller
31. Ben Nugent
32. Joe Lewis
33. Simon Moore
34. Jo Inge Berget
35. Etien Velikonja
36. Sean Morrison
39. Danny Gabbidon
40. Kadeem Harris
55. Barnum-Bobb

' PLUS CARDIFF CITY PLAYERS OUT ON LOAN '
Kévin Théophile-Catherine (ST ETIENNE)
Kevin Mcnaughton (BOLTON)
Ben Nugent (YEOVIL)
Jo Inge Berget (CELTIC)
Filip Kiss (ROSS COUNTY)
Joe Lewis (BLACKPOOL)
Joe Mason (BOLTON)
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Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:39 pm
No to both questions
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:44 pm
I think with the right manager using the squad to its best we would at least be play/offs but still need a couple of players.
The problem with Oles purchases were that we have to many players alike and to short in key areas.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:46 pm
2blue2handle wrote:I think with the right manager using the squad to its best we would at least be play/offs but still need a couple of players.
The problem with Oles purchases were that we have to many players alike and to short in key areas.
Luke, I feel similar, but I do feel their is an awful lot of quality players in that squad.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:47 pm
angelis1949 wrote:No to both questions
At the time of most of these players brought in 99% of Cardiff fans raved about them. Most felt it was the best ever City squad.
I dont know what you thought at the time?
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:47 pm
Forever Blue wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I think with the right manager using the squad to its best we would at least be play/offs but still need a couple of players.
The problem with Oles purchases were that we have to many players alike and to short in key areas.
Luke, I feel similar, but I do feel their is an awful lot of quality players in that squad.

So do I, most of it not being played though sadly.
I just think we need at least abother CM and a left back.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:47 pm
That squad is certainly good enough to be promoted. They just have to be used correctly and managed correctly.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:51 pm
TheRow wrote:That squad is certainly good enough to be promoted. They just have to be used correctly and managed correctly.
Thats is exactly how I feel and most thought in August, I still feel the same.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:52 pm
2blue2handle wrote:Forever Blue wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I think with the right manager using the squad to its best we would at least be play/offs but still need a couple of players.
The problem with Oles purchases were that we have to many players alike and to short in key areas.
Luke, I feel similar, but I do feel their is an awful lot of quality players in that squad.

So do I, most of it not being played though sadly.
I just think we need at least abother CM and a left back.
Luke, they are still not being played like they should and some of the best players left out.
On paper this squad should still get top 2.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:57 pm
Forever Blue wrote:TheRow wrote:That squad is certainly good enough to be promoted. They just have to be used correctly and managed correctly.
Thats is exactly how I feel and most thought in August, I still feel the same.
Tan has a knack for appointing managers that have no clue how to handle our squad or use them effectively. Ole just continually tinkered and Slade seems to leave out impact players rendering us toothless. I cant help but feel if Pulis had been given a shot he would have known exactly what to do with the team.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:57 pm
Who is the right manager? Not pulis he's a trouble shooter! Need forward thinking young manager get best out of the players we have, & need couple of players in key positions we will be top 2 positive on that.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:02 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Who is the right manager? Not pulis he's a trouble shooter! Need forward thinking young manager get best out of the players we have, & need couple of players in key positions we will be top 2 positive on that.

Allan, there are plenty of managers out there, this was not about Pulis, I promise you.
This is more about the current squad? ?
Is it good enough? and youve virtually said the same as me yes
Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:06 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Who is the right manager? Not pulis he's a trouble shooter! Need forward thinking young manager get best out of the players we have, & need couple of players in key positions we will be top 2 positive on that.

Allan, there are plenty of managers out there, this was not about Pulis, I promise you.
This is more about the current squad? ?
I know Annis as i said need forward thinking man! Pulis is not that type. slade is just a steady Eddie who possibility may get us up time will tell on that.b
Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:18 pm
Judging by last few results we need to call back mason.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:22 pm
It's definitely good enough. And I also think Slade is good enough to get us there.
We have seen marked improvement in skill and attitude from most players since he arrived (apart from marshall, who's always been excellent). Our home form is splendid and our away form seems to be improving (remember Birmingham city recently beat high runners Watford 2-1 after their change in management).
We're mid table. there are 5 points between us and the playoffs, and 8 between us and instant promotion. It's anybody's season and I really do think Slade's back to basics approach has seen us improve no end since Ole's reign (and the end of Malky's tenure).
The players seem to have been told to play like they want to keep their place, and they seem to have listened. I don't agree with all of his choices, I'd certainly like to see Daehli on the field starting among others BUT the thing that was annoying me before the last international break is that our players seemed bored, lacking focus and structure and even worse lacking ambition.
Now look at us, giving forest their first defeat of the season Ipswich followed, then a win against Leeds...
We can do it. and I personally don't think we need to make too many changes.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:47 pm
Natural talent-wise, the team is good enough. However, the mentality just isn't strong enough. We need a solid DM. There is no spine to the side and that's the problem.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:02 pm
Annis this squad is more than good enough under the right manager, i just hope Russel is that man. What really baffles me is that in the Premiership we used two rookie managers and that cost us big time, look at what Hull and Palace did with worse squads than ours. Sadly Tan has not learned the lesson and so far this season we've had two rookie managers in the Championship. Why gamble there are proven managers at this level out there who given a chance would take us up as champions again, it really baffles me.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:02 pm
Anyone that knows anything about football can see that our squad is good enough to be promoted.
Of course, the secret is getting the right combination of the players, the tactics & motivation.
Simples! Lol
Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:35 pm
With the right manager and tactics yes.Not giving players a chance playing, the same system with the same players. Dont care how good a man manager you are if the players don't believe in you your sunk
Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:42 pm
Definately no to both questions, I could go on all day about the weaknesses but some are so blind on here its untrue.
Weaknesses need to be dealt with, they are not, they are being compounded and I'm not sure whether its Slade or the 'Young/Gabbidon favourite camp' but this is a very poormix so far in backroom staff - manager relationship from an outsiders view.
I've refrained from the usual sledging of certain players, you have to start at the top and work down with any successful business/partnership - either Slade has no power in the club or he's very poor at getting his own way or seeing where our problems lay.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:51 pm
No where near good enough all man u rejects if they were class theywouldnt be with us
Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:53 pm
angelis1949 wrote:No to both questions
Our squad is definitely good enough, there's no doubt about that
Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:12 pm
Blue Steel wrote:Annis this squad is more than good enough under the right manager, i just hope Russel is that man. What really baffles me is that in the Premiership we used two rookie managers and that cost us big time, look at what Hull and Palace did with worse squads than ours. Sadly Tan has not learned the lesson and so far this season we've had two rookie managers in the Championship. Why gamble there are proven managers at this level out there who given a chance would take us up as champions again, it really baffles me.
Thats what I believe and so did 90% of City fans think back in August.
Down to Slade now, although I feel he needs a good coach with him
Tan will never learn his lesson at Cardiff City and that frightens me.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:21 pm
We overpaid on transfer fees and wages. Palace and hull spent a lot less than us and stayed up.
Who insisted on buying Cornelius, I do not know.
We need to get rid of half our squad, get them off high wages and reinvest in January on permanent quality players with a few top loans alongside.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:20 pm
Berger & Eikrem are the ones that get my back up most.
Ole brought them both in when we were Prem knowing they weren't good enough, almost in readiness for the Championship after relegation would be confirmed.
Then, he still didn't use them?
Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:29 pm
I said at the start of the season that while this may be the biggest squad we've ever had, it's nowhere near the best. I believe it may be good enough to just about get a top 10 or 12 finish, but not much more. The Cardiff side that originally were responsible for me becoming a supporter were superior in almost every position, and they never achieved promotion to the top flight although came close once or twice.
Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:30 pm
Our squad is good enough but the management team is not . I will give Slade time but I personally think he is out of his depth and his 1st few games at home were down to "new manager syndrome" hope I'm proved wrong though
The club is broken from top to bottom , Scott Young a legend as a player for us but he should be nowhere near a team with premiership ambitions (I don't even think he is good enough for league 1 personally) Tan can't settle on a chief executive (think this is his 4th or 5th now!)Obviously the rebrand. Fans divided the whole thing stinks and is getting worse not better , More debt than we were before Tan gave us his millions , worse league position for years, not in blue
Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:26 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Who is the right manager? Not pulis he's a trouble shooter! Need forward thinking young manager get best out of the players we have, & need couple of players in key positions we will be top 2 positive on that.

Was Pulis a trouble shooter when he took stoke up and established them in the PL for 8 years?
You call him a trouble shooter as if it's somehow a bad trait. In reality isn't just the sign of a good manager that he can turn poor sides into good ones? Isn't every manager a trouble shooter when they take a job as usually it's replacing somebody who has failed and a team is struggling?
How many managers out there can you name who have had more than 2 promotions?
Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:31 pm
Annis could you elaberate on the bit about wasting money once we were up
and say who you blame for wasting that money hmmmmmmmmmmmcant wait for your reply
Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:36 pm
Carpe Diem wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Who is the right manager? Not pulis he's a trouble shooter! Need forward thinking young manager get best out of the players we have, & need couple of players in key positions we will be top 2 positive on that.

Was Pulis a trouble shooter when he took stoke up and established them in the PL for 8 years?
You call him a trouble shooter as if it's somehow a bad trait. In reality isn't just the sign of a good manager that he can turn poor sides into good ones? Isn't every manager a trouble shooter when they take a job as usually it's replacing somebody who has failed and a team is struggling?
How many managers out there can you name who have had more than 2 promotions?
I just don't think city need him! As put in other thread we need progressive young manager to take us forward pulis us not that man.
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