Working for your benefits

I was talking to someone recently who was really unhappy because they had to work for 4 weeks in a shop to claim their benefits. They said it was degrading to have do slave labour for £70 a week. They pretty much said the job wasn't what they wanted to do and it was below them and it wasn't going to help them get back into proper employment.They had been out of work for two years but had been taken off sickness benefits recently.

I would be interested to get some opinions on this.

They should do something for the money but not something that would take work off someone else. Litter picking what ever, but only if you have been on benefits for more than 6months. I understand people might be pissed off at working for next to nothing but that might get some lazy bastards off their ass and buck their ides up.

This is how I see it... Benefits are set by the British government which of course is based in London, the benefits received are based on London's scale, in wales cost of living is far cheaper and wages are less to reflect this. The problem is the benefits received are not based on the different regions hence why some people who claim think no job is good enough (they won't get out of bed) unless they are claiming £8+ an hour, which of course in wales reflects a wage of a skilled or qualified person.

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

I agree with you brownie!

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

I agree with you brownie!

Said this while in Council and within mins had every Union rep on my back. Lol

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

I agree with you brownie!

Said this while in Council and within mins had every Union rep on my back. Lol

Unions phaa say no more, bloody labour..!

After 6months you should be working for your benefits.If you get £100 a week then you should work x hours at minimum wage until you equal the amount even if it's only keeping your local community clean.
No one should expect to get a living for nothing.It's what can I do to get money NOT what can I expect for free.This is where our country has gone wrong.creating a society of I can't afford to work as I will have to pay for everything.
I have worked for 44 years always paid by own way.Always remembered the saying Do without if you can't afford it work until you saved up for it.
I know I am lucky to have been born in a time where there were more jobs,but your not owed a living its your responsibility to find Work not the government to provide a living for you on benefits.
People on benefits earn more than I do. But I can say everything I have is mine.

There used to be a time when being on the dole was embarrassing

Work for benefits?

NO!

Work to earn a descent wage for a family.


That's what we need. Proper jobs with working wages.

Fairly certain in Norway or one of the Scandinavian countries people claiming money have to clear the roads and pavements of snow during their winter months to make it easier for other people to get to work. I dare say it's case specific but I think it's a good idea and although not something that's comparable to our country unless you live deep in the valleys during a bleak winter

Work for benefits?

NO!

Work to earn a descent wage for a family.


That's what we need. Proper jobs with working wages.

I agree. But the level of benefits given to some equates to more than the net income of a working person.

The hours worked(community work) by someone on benefits should relate to the minimum wage and the total amount of benefits they get.

Work for benefits?

NO!

Work to earn a descent wage for a family.


That's what we need. Proper jobs with working wages.

You are presuming that everyone wants to work and believe me that's sinply not too. The youngsters these days have the worst attitudes I have seen in 14 years being in Recruitmemt.

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

Couldn't agree more.

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

Would they do a good job for no pay though?

So what happens to all the tens of thousands of bin men, recycling guys, council gardeners, grass cutters, street cleaners etc. etc. who do a good sometimes undesirable job & work hard to provide for their families?
Kick them all out of work & let them suffer & try to claim benefits. Brilliant!

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

Would they do a good job for no pay though?

Well they don't get their benefits if they don't do the job given to an acceptable standard

So what happens to all the tens of thousands of bin men, recycling guys, council gardeners, grass cutters, street cleaners etc. etc. who do a good sometimes undesirable job & work hard to provide for their families?
Kick them all out of work & let them suffer & try to claim benefits. Brilliant!

My sole responsibility was to ensure that the council payers were getting a good deal for their money and when there are ways to ensure that services can be proved with a lower expense then go for it. Another reason was that I wanted the public to see with their own eyes that these individuals were working for their community rather than sitting on their arse doing f**k all

So what happens to all the tens of thousands of bin men, recycling guys, council gardeners, grass cutters, street cleaners etc. etc. who do a good sometimes undesirable job & work hard to provide for their families?
Kick them all out of work & let them suffer & try to claim benefits. Brilliant!

Good point.

So what happens to all the tens of thousands of bin men, recycling guys, council gardeners, grass cutters, street cleaners etc. etc. who do a good sometimes undesirable job & work hard to provide for their families?
Kick them all out of work & let them suffer & try to claim benefits. Brilliant!

My sole responsibility was to ensure that the council payers were getting a good deal for their money and when there are ways to ensure that services can be proved with a lower expense then go for it. Another reason was that I wanted the public to see with their own eyes that these individuals were working for their community rather than sitting on their arse doing f**k all

Unbelievable. So get the figures right & f**k all the hard working people & their families & mortgages & pensions.
Unbelievable.

Fairly certain in Norway or one of the Scandinavian countries people claiming money have to clear the roads and pavements of snow during their winter months to make it easier for other people to get to work. I dare say it's case specific but I think it's a good idea and although not something that's comparable to our country unless you live deep in the valleys during a bleak winter

in alot of European countries you have to clear any ice or snow by a set time roughly 7am, you have to do the road, and communal paving along your property, you have to do your path and drive on your property. If you don't and say a postman slips, you are responsible.

everyone does it, it works well, makes snow not a problem and shows pride, it also has to be done on your return from work that evening.

we cant even get people to put rubbish in a bin, nevermind cleat snow

Work for benefits?

NO!

Work to earn a descent wage for a family.


That's what we need. Proper jobs with working wages.

You are presuming that everyone wants to work and believe me that's sinply not too. The youngsters these days have the worst attitudes I have seen in 14 years being in Recruitmemt.

I can identify with what you are saying. Children are being told about their rights rather than their responsibilities and many are in households where parents or even grandparents haven't worked for a long time.

Coupled with that, the government is raising the retirement age which leaves fewer jobs for them.

Too many are told that they are qualified for certain things when they have no practical and experiential backup.

I certainly think that if you are signing on, it should be every day to get them into the idea of being up and about and active. This would create jobs in the offices as it would increase the number needing to sign on.

(I have over 25 years experience working with 11-18 year old youngsters and I've noticed changes in attitudes towards advice, guidance and training).

So what happens to all the tens of thousands of bin men, recycling guys, council gardeners, grass cutters, street cleaners etc. etc. who do a good sometimes undesirable job & work hard to provide for their families?
Kick them all out of work & let them suffer & try to claim benefits. Brilliant!

My sole responsibility was to ensure that the council payers were getting a good deal for their money and when there are ways to ensure that services can be proved with a lower expense then go for it. Another reason was that I wanted the public to see with their own eyes that these individuals were working for their community rather than sitting on their arse doing f**k all

Unbelievable. So get the figures right & f**k all the hard working people & their families & mortgages & pensions.
Unbelievable.

So on one hand people are crying out that Local authorities should be run more like businesses to stop the wastage yet you are now promoting more wastage!!! Being voted in to take responsibility isn't all nice work so if the tough decisions needed to be made then so be it.

Work for benefits?

NO!

Work to earn a descent wage for a family.


That's what we need. Proper jobs with working wages.

You are presuming that everyone wants to work and believe me that's sinply not too. The youngsters these days have the worst attitudes I have seen in 14 years being in Recruitmemt.

I can identify with what you are saying. Children are being told about their rights rather than their responsibilities and many are in households where parents or even grandparents haven't worked for a long time.

Coupled with that, the government is raising the retirement age which leaves fewer jobs for them.

Too many are told that they are qualified for certain things when they have no practical and experiential backup.

I certainly think that if you are signing on, it should be every day to get them into the idea of being up and about and active. This would create jobs in the offices as it would increase the number needing to sign on.

(I have over 25 years experience working with 11-18 year old youngsters and I've noticed changes in attitudes towards advice, guidance and training).

Its a combination of too many youngsters feeling that after University they should be having a £50+ per year job handed to them and if they didn't go to University then many thinking that they are the next winner of Britain's Got Talent and there's no need for them to work!!! Crazy as it may sound there's definitely a link in changing youngsters mind sets since University was the be all and end all and since these shite reality TV programmes started up.

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

I see your point, but what are we going to do with all the cleaners bin men and grass cutters that would then be out of work lol?

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

I see your point, but what are we going to do with all the cleaners bin men and grass cutters that would then be out of work lol?

Whether people like it or not, Councils are still in the dark ages with their contracts and we are all paying for it although they would rather play the blame game on Westminster. The bottom line is that if you ever had the chance to look at the balance sheet of a local authority and its broken down staffing costs then if you put it to the people for example 'look we can continue with many of the services if we done such a change' and then produced the information to support your argument then the vast majority would be with you.

Its an unfortunate fact that people lose jobs all of the time and councils shouldn't be in the 70s mindset of keeping people in jobs simply because of their personal circumstances even if it took the council down the swanny financially.

Simple solution lower retirement to 60 and then you have created thousands and thousands of jobs.

The gov can f**k off if they think I'm going to work till I'm 70 and being only 19 that age may well be raised even more so before I get to the point of retirement.

Don't you realise that the majority of youngsters don't want to work..? and I'm speaking from experience it IS the majority and many companies prefer to take on older staff because they are more responsible and more reliable especially on a Monday morning.

Disagree here.

I would say majority of youngster do want to work. I would go to say those that do not want to work are in a very small handful and most of those I would say are not youngsters.

The problem we have is that most youngsters who want to work when offered work cannot afford to come off the benefits system. If a youngster has his own flat then he needs a decent wage to pay for his on goings. The minimum wage just does not cover things for such a person. Some have mentioned a living wage and if a survey was done to set one I would imagine it would be a lot higher than the minimum effort.

My problem with "Working for benefits" is we could have a culture of cheap labour. Watch the minimum wage then come down.

No local authority should be paying wages for bin men, street cleaners, grass cutters etc as they should be done free of charge by people on community service or people on benefits. That would then help local authorities to put that saving to better use

I see your point, but what are we going to do with all the cleaners bin men and grass cutters that would then be out of work lol?

Whether people like it or not, Councils are still in the dark ages with their contracts and we are all paying for it although they would rather play the blame game on Westminster. The bottom line is that if you ever had the chance to look at the balance sheet of a local authority and its broken down staffing costs then if you put it to the people for example 'look we can continue with many of the services if we done such a change' and then produced the information to support your argument then the vast majority would be with you.

Its an unfortunate fact that people lose jobs all of the time and councils shouldn't be in the 70s mindset of keeping people in jobs simply because of their personal circumstances even if it took the council down the swanny financially.

Im with you mate. And i agree with your idea about getting people who are on long term benefits out and about working. It does them good, and it also does the community good