' Tan wants to recruit internally '

Friday 19th Sept 2014.

Craig Bellamy and Tony Pulis are both out of the running to replace Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as Cardiff City manager.

Solskjaer stepped down as Bluebirds boss on Thursday after less than nine months in the role.

Asked if he would take the Cardiff job if owner Vincent Tan called him, ex-Bluebirds forward Bellamy said: "No, certainly not."

Pulis meanwhile is not being considered for the role.

The former Stoke and Crystal Palace boss was favourite with bookmakers and many fans to take over from Solskjaer, but he is not an option that appeals to Tan, reports BBC Sport's David Ornstein.

The Malaysian businessman is unlikely to opt for a big name - with former Bluebirds boss Dave Jones also understood to be out of the running.

Tan is keen for the next appointment to help create a new culture at the Championship club and assume a head coach role, in a more continental set-up, that sees areas such as transfers left to the Cardiff hierarchy.

He is also keen to avoid paying significant compensation to lure an in-work manager out of their current job and will expect the new man to work with the players at his disposal, rather than make substantial changes in January.

He plans to consider younger candidates and coaches already working for the club.

It is not known whether these include veteran defender Danny Gabbidon and Scott Young, who are in temporary charge, and will take control of the team for the visit to Derby on Saturday.

Bellamy, 35, ruled himself out of the running on Thursday.

He made 90 league appearances in two spells with Cardiff City, scoring 17 goals.

The 78-times capped Wales international claimed to have turned down the role before Solskjaer was appointed to replace Malky Mackay in January.

"Look, I had the opportunity at Christmas to do it when Malky left," Bellamy told BT Sport.

"They offered it to me then; whether it was part-time I didn't really give them a chance to get into so much of a conversation.

"It was that simple, I'm not right for the club at this present moment.

"They need to go in a different direction and the club's not right for me at this present moment."

Bellamy retired as a player at the end of the 2013-14 season, and has previously said his ambitions include managing Wales and Cardiff City.

Born and raised in Cardiff, Bellamy secured a place in the club's folklore by helping them secure promotion to the Premier League under Malky Mackay in 2013, and scoring the winning goal in a south Wales derby against Swansea City in 2011.

The announcement of Solskjaer's departure was made after the 41-year-old former Manchester United striker held talks with Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman.

The Bluebirds are 17th in the Championship after three losses in seven games, including Tuesday's 1-0 home defeat by Middlesbrough and a 4-2 capitulation against Norwich.

One minute the talk is he is desperate for promotion, the next he wants an up and coming coach. If the former is true, why would he take another risk like Ole? Contradiction reigns.

Recruit internally??

What kind of incest are we talking about here??

The only way CCFC will progress is by spending money on a leader, tactician and mentor. I would be very surprised if that person was Welsh or a Cardiff supporter.

Look further afield (but not outside the experience of the English League).

Forget buying players. We have them. Get a manager who will work with what he has!!!!!!!!!

C'mon Cardiff!!

Unbelievable! I am beginning to think Tan is stupid. If he gets this wrong we are in trouble.

The tea lady ?

Tan you clown

What's everyone worried about? He's turning to the proven conveyor belt of homegrown coaches like Barcelona do, coaches that have gone on to manage Port Talbot and umm Port Talbot.

Why do people believe this shit? Rebrand aside Tan hasn't let us down yet, why would he do it now?

Friday 19th Sept 2014.

Craig Bellamy and Tony Pulis are both out of the running to replace Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as Cardiff City manager.

Solskjaer stepped down as Bluebirds boss on Thursday after less than nine months in the role.

Asked if he would take the Cardiff job if owner Vincent Tan called him, ex-Bluebirds forward Bellamy said: "No, certainly not."

Pulis meanwhile is not being considered for the role.

The former Stoke and Crystal Palace boss was favourite with bookmakers and many fans to take over from Solskjaer, but he is not an option that appeals to Tan, reports BBC Sport's David Ornstein.

The Malaysian businessman is unlikely to opt for a big name - with former Bluebirds boss Dave Jones also understood to be out of the running.

Tan is keen for the next appointment to help create a new culture at the Championship club and assume a head coach role, in a more continental set-up, that sees areas such as transfers left to the Cardiff hierarchy.

He is also keen to avoid paying significant compensation to lure an in-work manager out of their current job and will expect the new man to work with the players at his disposal, rather than make substantial changes in January.

He plans to consider younger candidates and coaches already working for the club.

It is not known whether these include veteran defender Danny Gabbidon and Scott Young, who are in temporary charge, and will take control of the team for the visit to Derby on Saturday.

Bellamy, 35, ruled himself out of the running on Thursday.

He made 90 league appearances in two spells with Cardiff City, scoring 17 goals.

The 78-times capped Wales international claimed to have turned down the role before Solskjaer was appointed to replace Malky Mackay in January.

"Look, I had the opportunity at Christmas to do it when Malky left," Bellamy told BT Sport.

"They offered it to me then; whether it was part-time I didn't really give them a chance to get into so much of a conversation.

"It was that simple, I'm not right for the club at this present moment.

"They need to go in a different direction and the club's not right for me at this present moment."

Bellamy retired as a player at the end of the 2013-14 season, and has previously said his ambitions include managing Wales and Cardiff City.

Born and raised in Cardiff, Bellamy secured a place in the club's folklore by helping them secure promotion to the Premier League under Malky Mackay in 2013, and scoring the winning goal in a south Wales derby against Swansea City in 2011.

The announcement of Solskjaer's departure was made after the 41-year-old former Manchester United striker held talks with Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman.

The Bluebirds are 17th in the Championship after three losses in seven games, including Tuesday's 1-0 home defeat by Middlesbrough and a 4-2 capitulation against Norwich.

Maybe the YTS painter is coming back.Tan the failure man is losing the plot.

Why do people believe this shit? Rebrand aside Tan hasn't let us down yet, why would he do it now?

What, like employing Ole for instance ?

Recruit internally??

What kind of incest are we talking about here??

The only way CCFC will progress is by spending money on a leader, tactician and mentor. I would be very surprised if that person was Welsh or a Cardiff supporter.

Look further afield (but not outside the experience of the English League).

Forget buying players. We have them. Get a manager who will work with what he has!!!!!!!!!

C'mon Cardiff!!

Spot on and we havent got anyone internally good enough?

Why do people believe this shit? Rebrand aside Tan hasn't let us down yet, why would he do it now?

What, like employing Ole for instance ?

When Ole was employed he was one of the most sort after names for lower Premier League teams, he had been linked to other teams, as others tried to get him in and failed, our board got their man.

Obviously things haven't worked out, but the board have acted swiftly to rectify the issue.

I'm sure that they are now busy trying to recruit a quality manager for what is a big job. Don't forget that people love to take any opportunity to stick the boot into Tan, and this is no expectation, I'm sure we will hear that
'Homer Simpson is the number 1 contender because Tan sees an opportunity to entice donut lovers to the CCS'
before the week us out!

I reckon there are enough on this forum who know enough about tactics and have the CCFC passion. Anyone applying?

I reckon there are enough on this forum who know enough about tactics and have the CCFC passion. Anyone applying?

Paul,Rem though, you have to be a yes man.

Why do people believe this shit? Rebrand aside Tan hasn't let us down yet, why would he do it now?

What, like employing Ole for instance ?

Not sticking up for Tan.
Dalman Tans Chairman advised Tan to employ Ole and Tan listened to Dalman.

Friday 19th Sept 2014.

Craig Bellamy and Tony Pulis are both out of the running to replace Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as Cardiff City manager.

Solskjaer stepped down as Bluebirds boss on Thursday after less than nine months in the role.

Asked if he would take the Cardiff job if owner Vincent Tan called him, ex-Bluebirds forward Bellamy said: "No, certainly not."

Pulis meanwhile is not being considered for the role.

The former Stoke and Crystal Palace boss was favourite with bookmakers and many fans to take over from Solskjaer, but he is not an option that appeals to Tan, reports BBC Sport's David Ornstein.

The Malaysian businessman is unlikely to opt for a big name - with former Bluebirds boss Dave Jones also understood to be out of the running.

Tan is keen for the next appointment to help create a new culture at the Championship club and assume a head coach role, in a more continental set-up, that sees areas such as transfers left to the Cardiff hierarchy.

He is also keen to avoid paying significant compensation to lure an in-work manager out of their current job and will expect the new man to work with the players at his disposal, rather than make substantial changes in January.

He plans to consider younger candidates and coaches already working for the club.

It is not known whether these include veteran defender Danny Gabbidon and Scott Young, who are in temporary charge, and will take control of the team for the visit to Derby on Saturday.

Bellamy, 35, ruled himself out of the running on Thursday.

He made 90 league appearances in two spells with Cardiff City, scoring 17 goals.

The 78-times capped Wales international claimed to have turned down the role before Solskjaer was appointed to replace Malky Mackay in January.

"Look, I had the opportunity at Christmas to do it when Malky left," Bellamy told BT Sport.

"They offered it to me then; whether it was part-time I didn't really give them a chance to get into so much of a conversation.

"It was that simple, I'm not right for the club at this present moment.

"They need to go in a different direction and the club's not right for me at this present moment."

Bellamy retired as a player at the end of the 2013-14 season, and has previously said his ambitions include managing Wales and Cardiff City.

Born and raised in Cardiff, Bellamy secured a place in the club's folklore by helping them secure promotion to the Premier League under Malky Mackay in 2013, and scoring the winning goal in a south Wales derby against Swansea City in 2011.

The announcement of Solskjaer's departure was made after the 41-year-old former Manchester United striker held talks with Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman.

The Bluebirds are 17th in the Championship after three losses in seven games, including Tuesday's 1-0 home defeat by Middlesbrough and a 4-2 capitulation against Norwich.

Everything I have read leads me to believe our mext managerial appointment will be a bit of a joke, bit like the last one really. The fact that Pulis is 'not being considered' is crazy.

I expect Tan to drag this club further down before anything gets better.

Why do people believe this shit? Rebrand aside Tan hasn't let us down yet, why would he do it now?

What, like employing Ole for instance ?

When Ole was employed he was one of the most sort after names for lower Premier League teams, he had been linked to other teams, as others tried to get him in and failed, our board got their man.

Obviously things haven't worked out, but the board have acted swiftly to rectify the issue.

I'm sure that they are now busy trying to recruit a quality manager for what is a big job. Don't forget that people love to take any opportunity to stick the boot into Tan, and this is no expectation, I'm sure we will hear that
'Homer Simpson is the number 1 contender because Tan sees an opportunity to entice donut lovers to the CCS'
before the week us out!

Homer could work he does have some experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saKRZEMqdis

Show me a video clip were tan is stating all this bollocks and I will believe it

Why do people believe this shit? Rebrand aside Tan hasn't let us down yet, why would he do it now?

What, like employing Ole for instance ?

When Ole was employed he was one of the most sort after names for lower Premier League teams, he had been linked to other teams, as others tried to get him in and failed, our board got their man.

Obviously things haven't worked out, but the board have acted swiftly to rectify the issue.

I'm sure that they are now busy trying to recruit a quality manager for what is a big job. Don't forget that people love to take any opportunity to stick the boot into Tan, and this is no expectation, I'm sure we will hear that
'Homer Simpson is the number 1 contender because Tan sees an opportunity to entice donut lovers to the CCS'
before the week us out!

Homer could work he does have some experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saKRZEMqdis

Ruthless!

Show me a video clip were tan is stating all this bollocks and I will believe it

Sense!

Show me a video clip were tan is stating all this bollocks and I will believe it

The last video I watched of Tan he talked about "football just like trip to cinema". I try not to watch anymore of his videos. Find them too embarrasing.

You are right though, pure hear say re potential appointment to date.

Bellamy is right, he is not the bloke for us, as for the rest, who did Tan say all this to ? The one thing he isn't, and that is stupid, you don't become a self made billionaire by being stupid.

Bellamy is right, he is not the bloke for us, as for the rest, who did Tan say all this to ? The one thing he isn't, and that is stupid, you don't become a self made billionaire by being stupid.

Don't go saying stuff like that around here. You will be labelled a Red loving, Tan arse kisser.

Show me a video clip were tan is stating all this bollocks and I will believe it

Sense!

Every day I read on this forum that Tan has said this, and Tan has done that. I am no big fan of his, but I'd love to know where this information comes from, because I'm like you, haven't seen any video clips of him saying half the things that he is supposed to have come out with.
Have read a couple of posts where he has been accused of destroying the careers of two young managers. I may be wrong, but I thought most City fans wanted Ole out, so he can't win on that one. As far as Malky is concerned, I don't think it's Tan's fault that no clubs are wanting his services right now. Long term, I don't think either one of them has had their careers destroyed.

Bellamy is right, he is not the bloke for us, as for the rest, who did Tan say all this to ? The one thing he isn't, and that is stupid, you don't become a self made billionaire by being stupid.

Don't go saying stuff like that around here. You will be labelled a Red loving, Tan arse kisser.

Yes that is the normal response when I just try to say my opinion

Bellamy is right, he is not the bloke for us, as for the rest, who did Tan say all this to ? The one thing he isn't, and that is stupid, you don't become a self made billionaire by being stupid.

Don't go saying stuff like that around here. You will be labelled a Red loving, Tan arse kisser.

Yes that is the normal response when I just try to say my opinion

please find a quote where a fan on here has classed Tan as generally stupid. All the criticism of him stems from tearing the club up by splitting the fan base, and being in a worse position now after increasing the club debt to levels never seen before. Failure

The Malaysian businessman is unlikely to opt for a big name - with former Bluebirds boss Dave Jones also understood to be out of the running.

Tan is keen for the next appointment to help create a new culture at the Championship club and assume a head coach role, in a more continental set-up, that sees areas such as transfers left to the Cardiff hierarchy.

He is also keen to avoid paying significant compensation to lure an in-work manager out of their current job and will expect the new man to work with the players at his disposal, rather than make substantial changes in January.

He plans to consider younger candidates and coaches already working for the club.

2 things to pick up on here, 1) hopefully Dave Jones IS out of the running and 2) is this the 'Philosophy' OGS mentioned..... tbh what manager would sit back and let the heirarchy choose what palyers to bring in, the team selection and transfers in should be left to the manager and then the heirarchy step in and get that player......

If that is true then I don't blame OGS for wanting to part ways, yes maybe his time was up with the lack of form etc etc, but would any other manager want to put up with that??

Tan doesn't want a manager, he wants an all singing all dancing puppet (and that is why he won't consider Tony Pulis)

Bellamy is right, he is not the bloke for us, as for the rest, who did Tan say all this to ? The one thing he isn't, and that is stupid, you don't become a self made billionaire by being stupid.

Don't go saying stuff like that around here. You will be labelled a Red loving, Tan arse kisser.

Yes that is the normal response when I just try to say my opinion

please find a quote where a fan on here has classed Tan as generally stupid. All the criticism of him stems from tearing the club up by splitting the fan base, and being in a worse position now after increasing the club debt to levels never seen before. Failure

How about the word 'clown', isn't that like calling someone stupid? Just look in this thread.

Bellamy is right, he is not the bloke for us, as for the rest, who did Tan say all this to ? The one thing he isn't, and that is stupid, you don't become a self made billionaire by being stupid.

Don't go saying stuff like that around here. You will be labelled a Red loving, Tan arse kisser.

Yes that is the normal response when I just try to say my opinion

please find a quote where a fan on here has classed Tan as generally stupid. All the criticism of him stems from tearing the club up by splitting the fan base, and being in a worse position now after increasing the club debt to levels never seen before. Failure

How about the word 'clown', isn't that like calling someone stupid? Just look in this thread.

he is proving himself to be of his depth as an owner, has recognised this as the club is up for sale. We can agree the next appointment will make or break him, if the fans want to compare him to a clown I guess that is part and parcel of being a high profile figure in the British football scene and not doing very well. All related to football, not his personal wealth and how he became successful in business

The Malaysian businessman is unlikely to opt for a big name - with former Bluebirds boss Dave Jones also understood to be out of the running.

Tan is keen for the next appointment to help create a new culture at the Championship club and assume a head coach role, in a more continental set-up, that sees areas such as transfers left to the Cardiff hierarchy.

He is also keen to avoid paying significant compensation to lure an in-work manager out of their current job and will expect the new man to work with the players at his disposal, rather than make substantial changes in January.

He plans to consider younger candidates and coaches already working for the club.

2 things to pick up on here, 1) hopefully Dave Jones IS out of the running and 2) is this the 'Philosophy' OGS mentioned..... tbh what manager would sit back and let the heirarchy choose what palyers to bring in, the team selection and transfers in should be left to the manager and then the heirarchy step in and get that player......

If that is true then I don't blame OGS for wanting to part ways, yes maybe his time was up with the lack of form etc etc, but would any other manager want to put up with that??

Tan doesn't want a manager, he wants an all singing all dancing puppet (and that is why he won't consider Tony Pulis)

On your second point, it is how most of the football world outside Britain work (not saying it is right or wrong). Most of non British clubs do not appoint managers, they appoint a Head Coach. If the system is working properly then the coach would be in the consultation process and everyone would agree on targets but the DoF or Technical Director would also oversee the Academy, Academy recruiting as well as First team recruiting and be responsible for the playing style and system of the entire club so that when the Head Coaches come and go there is a continuity instead of it all falling apart or there being a vacuum like for example when Fergie left United.

As I said, I am not saying it is right or wrong. Both systems have their merits. Done properly the continental system probably works better but with the ego of Managers in this country having to be top dog and the media's focus on the Manager/Head Coach and media and public lack of understanding of how it is meant to work it all gets fucked up.

The Malaysian businessman is unlikely to opt for a big name - with former Bluebirds boss Dave Jones also understood to be out of the running.

Tan is keen for the next appointment to help create a new culture at the Championship club and assume a head coach role, in a more continental set-up, that sees areas such as transfers left to the Cardiff hierarchy.

He is also keen to avoid paying significant compensation to lure an in-work manager out of their current job and will expect the new man to work with the players at his disposal, rather than make substantial changes in January.

He plans to consider younger candidates and coaches already working for the club.

2 things to pick up on here, 1) hopefully Dave Jones IS out of the running and 2) is this the 'Philosophy' OGS mentioned..... tbh what manager would sit back and let the heirarchy choose what palyers to bring in, the team selection and transfers in should be left to the manager and then the heirarchy step in and get that player......

If that is true then I don't blame OGS for wanting to part ways, yes maybe his time was up with the lack of form etc etc, but would any other manager want to put up with that??

Tan doesn't want a manager, he wants an all singing all dancing puppet (and that is why he won't consider Tony Pulis)

On your second point, it is how most of the football world outside Britain work (not saying it is right or wrong). Most of non British clubs do not appoint managers, they appoint a Head Coach. If the system is working properly then the coach would be in the consultation process and everyone would agree on targets but the DoF or Technical Director would also oversee the Academy, Academy recruiting as well as First team recruiting and be responsible for the playing style and system of the entire club so that when the Head Coaches come and go there is a continuity instead of it all falling apart or there being a vacuum like for example when Fergie left United.

As I said, I am not saying it is right or wrong. Both systems have their merits. Done properly the continental system probably works better but with the ego of Managers in this country having to be top dog and the media's focus on the Manager/Head Coach and media and public lack of understanding of how it is meant to work it all gets fucked up.

hmm you make some valid points there and I can't argue with that, yes the managers in the UK do have big egos, a look at Mourhino proves that lol. If we went down the route of DOF and head coach then we would need a minimum of 2 seasons to get it right, time that they ay not get under Tan, and time that they may not get with the fans if the results continue to disappoint