FAO Castleblue. " Vincent Tan & The Fanbase "

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I agree.

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I'm not a great believer in "Compromise" Gavin because in my experience it rarely leads to long standing agreements, and that's when the compromise is between just two parties. Sadly this whole rebrand situation has led to split in the fanbase with opinions varying from being unhappy with passive acceptance, The what can we do about it mindset, to the more extreme position where some would prefer the club to go bust and start again at the bottom of the football pyramid. How do you agree a compromise between such opposing viewpoints, the reality is you cannot.

The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is for the man who imposed the rebrand to make the decision to reverse it in such a way that he doesn't lose face. To achieve this there has to be an improvement in the relationship between VT and the fans and, In my opinion, as events of the last week has shown quite clearly that VT was correct to sack MM this is the best area to start. Last October the Trust issued a statement saying that in it's opinion MM had nothing to apologise for over the sacking on IM and in fact the management of the club were to blame.

Last week and despite MM admitting he sent a number of inappropriate text messages the Trust issued a statement saying it wasn't privy to the details contained in the dossier sent by the club to the FA and would therefore not speculate further until the FA has completed it's investigation. Sounds a reasonable position until you read the statement last October when the Trust, without being privy to the facts behind the sacking of IM, issued a statement saying MM had nothing to apologise and indeed it was the club and it's senior management who should be saying sorry.

In my opinion the Trust should have issued a apology last week for the statement it issued last October the moment MM went public and admitted that he had written text messages which would justify his dismissal as team manager. In my opinion that would start the process which would result in an environment where VT would be prepared to discuss things with fan groups.

It starts with respect for what VT has done whilst he has been involved with the club, and rebrand aside, not everything he has done has been wrong. Show the man respect for the things he has done right and create an environment where people can reason with him about how important the colour blue is to the fans. It's against that backdrop that in my opinion we will get a resolution to this issue and that's what it will take create an environment of mutual respect where VT will feel more inclined to reverse his decision.

In the meantime fans should continue wearing blue to matches, do the 19.27 protest at all matches and most important of all give OGS and the team 100% support.

That is why the trust is a joke though.

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I'm not a great believer in "Compromise" Gavin because in my experience it rarely leads to long standing agreements, and that's when the compromise is between just two parties. Sadly this whole rebrand situation has led to split in the fanbase with opinions varying from being unhappy with passive acceptance, The what can we do about it mindset, to the more extreme position where some would prefer the club to go bust and start again at the bottom of the football pyramid. How do you agree a compromise between such opposing viewpoints, the reality is you cannot.

The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is for the man who imposed the rebrand to make the decision to reverse it in such a way that he doesn't lose face. To achieve this there has to be an improvement in the relationship between VT and the fans and, In my opinion, as events of the last week has shown quite clearly that VT was correct to sack MM this is the best area to start. Last October the Trust issued a statement saying that in it's opinion MM had nothing to apologise for over the sacking on IM and in fact the management of the club were to blame.

Last week and despite MM admitting he sent a number of inappropriate text messages the Trust issued a statement saying it wasn't privy to the details contained in the dossier sent by the club to the FA and would therefore not speculate further until the FA has completed it's investigation. Sounds a reasonable position until you read the statement last October when the Trust, without being privy to the facts behind the sacking of IM, issued a statement saying MM had nothing to apologise and indeed it was the club and it's senior management who should be saying sorry.

In my opinion the Trust should have issued a apology last week for the statement it issued last October the moment MM went public and admitted that he had written text messages which would justify his dismissal as team manager. In my opinion that would start the process which would result in an environment where VT would be prepared to discuss things with fan groups.

It starts with respect for what VT has done whilst he has been involved with the club, and rebrand aside, not everything he has done has been wrong. Show the man respect for the things he has done right and create an environment where people can reason with him about how important the colour blue is to the fans. It's against that backdrop that in my opinion we will get a resolution to this issue and that's what it will take create an environment of mutual respect where VT will feel more inclined to reverse his decision.

In the meantime fans should continue wearing blue to matches, do the 19.27 protest at all matches and most important of all give OGS and the team 100% support.



Good post!

That is why the trust is a joke though.

^^^^^^^^^^THIS (Sadly)^^^^^^^^^^

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I'm not a great believer in "Compromise" Gavin because in my experience it rarely leads to long standing agreements, and that's when the compromise is between just two parties. Sadly this whole rebrand situation has led to split in the fanbase with opinions varying from being unhappy with passive acceptance, The what can we do about it mindset, to the more extreme position where some would prefer the club to go bust and start again at the bottom of the football pyramid. How do you agree a compromise between such opposing viewpoints, the reality is you cannot.

The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is for the man who imposed the rebrand to make the decision to reverse it in such a way that he doesn't lose face. To achieve this there has to be an improvement in the relationship between VT and the fans and, In my opinion, as events of the last week has shown quite clearly that VT was correct to sack MM this is the best area to start. Last October the Trust issued a statement saying that in it's opinion MM had nothing to apologise for over the sacking on IM and in fact the management of the club were to blame.

Last week and despite MM admitting he sent a number of inappropriate text messages the Trust issued a statement saying it wasn't privy to the details contained in the dossier sent by the club to the FA and would therefore not speculate further until the FA has completed it's investigation. Sounds a reasonable position until you read the statement last October when the Trust, without being privy to the facts behind the sacking of IM, issued a statement saying MM had nothing to apologise and indeed it was the club and it's senior management who should be saying sorry.

In my opinion the Trust should have issued a apology last week for the statement it issued last October the moment MM went public and admitted that he had written text messages which would justify his dismissal as team manager. In my opinion that would start the process which would result in an environment where VT would be prepared to discuss things with fan groups.

It starts with respect for what VT has done whilst he has been involved with the club, and rebrand aside, not everything he has done has been wrong. Show the man respect for the things he has done right and create an environment where people can reason with him about how important the colour blue is to the fans. It's against that backdrop that in my opinion we will get a resolution to this issue and that's what it will take create an environment of mutual respect where VT will feel more inclined to reverse his decision.

In the meantime fans should continue wearing blue to matches, do the 19.27 protest at all matches and most important of all give OGS and the team 100% support.

How does Malky's admission that me sent those texts, mean his sacking was justified. Tan only found about the texts long after he sacked Malky? The sacking was down to the interpretation of Tan that Malky had overspent and he was not seeing the results on the pitch for that overspend.

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I'm not a great believer in "Compromise" Gavin because in my experience it rarely leads to long standing agreements, and that's when the compromise is between just two parties. Sadly this whole rebrand situation has led to split in the fanbase with opinions varying from being unhappy with passive acceptance, The what can we do about it mindset, to the more extreme position where some would prefer the club to go bust and start again at the bottom of the football pyramid. How do you agree a compromise between such opposing viewpoints, the reality is you cannot.

The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is for the man who imposed the rebrand to make the decision to reverse it in such a way that he doesn't lose face. To achieve this there has to be an improvement in the relationship between VT and the fans and, In my opinion, as events of the last week has shown quite clearly that VT was correct to sack MM this is the best area to start. Last October the Trust issued a statement saying that in it's opinion MM had nothing to apologise for over the sacking on IM and in fact the management of the club were to blame.

Last week and despite MM admitting he sent a number of inappropriate text messages the Trust issued a statement saying it wasn't privy to the details contained in the dossier sent by the club to the FA and would therefore not speculate further until the FA has completed it's investigation. Sounds a reasonable position until you read the statement last October when the Trust, without being privy to the facts behind the sacking of IM, issued a statement saying MM had nothing to apologise and indeed it was the club and it's senior management who should be saying sorry.

In my opinion the Trust should have issued a apology last week for the statement it issued last October the moment MM went public and admitted that he had written text messages which would justify his dismissal as team manager. In my opinion that would start the process which would result in an environment where VT would be prepared to discuss things with fan groups.

It starts with respect for what VT has done whilst he has been involved with the club, and rebrand aside, not everything he has done has been wrong. Show the man respect for the things he has done right and create an environment where people can reason with him about how important the colour blue is to the fans. It's against that backdrop that in my opinion we will get a resolution to this issue and that's what it will take create an environment of mutual respect where VT will feel more inclined to reverse his decision.

In the meantime fans should continue wearing blue to matches, do the 19.27 protest at all matches and most important of all give OGS and the team 100% support.

This is the statement the trust made:

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?m=201310

This was before the sacking of Malky and was asking for more transparency as to why things were happening at the club.

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I'm not a great believer in "Compromise" Gavin because in my experience it rarely leads to long standing agreements, and that's when the compromise is between just two parties. Sadly this whole rebrand situation has led to split in the fanbase with opinions varying from being unhappy with passive acceptance, The what can we do about it mindset, to the more extreme position where some would prefer the club to go bust and start again at the bottom of the football pyramid. How do you agree a compromise between such opposing viewpoints, the reality is you cannot.

The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is for the man who imposed the rebrand to make the decision to reverse it in such a way that he doesn't lose face. To achieve this there has to be an improvement in the relationship between VT and the fans and, In my opinion, as events of the last week has shown quite clearly that VT was correct to sack MM this is the best area to start. Last October the Trust issued a statement saying that in it's opinion MM had nothing to apologise for over the sacking on IM and in fact the management of the club were to blame.

Last week and despite MM admitting he sent a number of inappropriate text messages the Trust issued a statement saying it wasn't privy to the details contained in the dossier sent by the club to the FA and would therefore not speculate further until the FA has completed it's investigation. Sounds a reasonable position until you read the statement last October when the Trust, without being privy to the facts behind the sacking of IM, issued a statement saying MM had nothing to apologise and indeed it was the club and it's senior management who should be saying sorry.

In my opinion the Trust should have issued a apology last week for the statement it issued last October the moment MM went public and admitted that he had written text messages which would justify his dismissal as team manager. In my opinion that would start the process which would result in an environment where VT would be prepared to discuss things with fan groups.

It starts with respect for what VT has done whilst he has been involved with the club, and rebrand aside, not everything he has done has been wrong. Show the man respect for the things he has done right and create an environment where people can reason with him about how important the colour blue is to the fans. It's against that backdrop that in my opinion we will get a resolution to this issue and that's what it will take create an environment of mutual respect where VT will feel more inclined to reverse his decision.

In the meantime fans should continue wearing blue to matches, do the 19.27 protest at all matches and most important of all give OGS and the team 100% support.

How does Malky's admission that me sent those texts, mean his sacking was justified. Tan only found about the texts long after he sacked Malky? The sacking was down to the interpretation of Tan that Malky had overspent and he was not seeing the results on the pitch for that overspend.

Thr fact that MM sent racist, sexists, homophobic and xenophobic text messages whilst employed by Cardiff City FC as team manager, a position of trust and one where the club would rightly expect to to an exemplar, someone who could be judged on everything he said and done. That's the justification can you really not see that.

I accept that at the time he was dismissed we all thought it was because of an alledged overspend on the agreed transfer budget, and it was during an investigation by the club into any alledged wrongdoing that these text messages came to light.

The fact that MM and his fellow bigot IM dropped thier legal action against the club shortly after the discovery of these text message,s and issued public apologies, again demonstrates they knew they had no case against the club.

Turn this on it's head In October last year the Trust issued a statement saying it believed the club and it's senior management should apologise for the sacking of IM. Do you believe the club and it's senior management have anything to apologise for?

I think a compromise with the fans would be the change of kit.... However I can see a compromise in the colour of a blue kit with red on the home strip. We will look silly if we go all blue again and we have those red seats IMO .

Tan needs to address and meet with some of the fans and indicate what needs to be done to build a strong relationship with fans again. Outlining the future of the club and his plans.

I think a compromise with the fans would be the change of kit.... However I can see a compromise in the colour of a blue kit with red on the home strip. We will look silly if we go all blue again and we have those red seats IMO .

Tan needs to address and meet with some of the fans and indicate what needs to be done to build a strong relationship with fans again. Outlining the future of the club and his plans.

All perfectly reasonable but do you think that would be acceptable to ALL our fanbase.

Why should the trust issue an apology ? He was Tans employee so why should the fans say sorry.

You seem to be one of the more sensible poster on here, you posts are always well thought out and interesting.

What do you think is the best way forward from this position between Vincent Tan and us the fanbase? How can we reunited the fanbase? Do you think compromise is more realistic then maintaining the 'no compromise, we'll only accept blue' attitude?

Be interested on hearing your opinion piece.

I'm not a great believer in "Compromise" Gavin because in my experience it rarely leads to long standing agreements, and that's when the compromise is between just two parties. Sadly this whole rebrand situation has led to split in the fanbase with opinions varying from being unhappy with passive acceptance, The what can we do about it mindset, to the more extreme position where some would prefer the club to go bust and start again at the bottom of the football pyramid. How do you agree a compromise between such opposing viewpoints, the reality is you cannot.

The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is for the man who imposed the rebrand to make the decision to reverse it in such a way that he doesn't lose face. To achieve this there has to be an improvement in the relationship between VT and the fans and, In my opinion, as events of the last week has shown quite clearly that VT was correct to sack MM this is the best area to start. Last October the Trust issued a statement saying that in it's opinion MM had nothing to apologise for over the sacking on IM and in fact the management of the club were to blame.

Last week and despite MM admitting he sent a number of inappropriate text messages the Trust issued a statement saying it wasn't privy to the details contained in the dossier sent by the club to the FA and would therefore not speculate further until the FA has completed it's investigation. Sounds a reasonable position until you read the statement last October when the Trust, without being privy to the facts behind the sacking of IM, issued a statement saying MM had nothing to apologise and indeed it was the club and it's senior management who should be saying sorry.

In my opinion the Trust should have issued a apology last week for the statement it issued last October the moment MM went public and admitted that he had written text messages which would justify his dismissal as team manager. In my opinion that would start the process which would result in an environment where VT would be prepared to discuss things with fan groups.

It starts with respect for what VT has done whilst he has been involved with the club, and rebrand aside, not everything he has done has been wrong. Show the man respect for the things he has done right and create an environment where people can reason with him about how important the colour blue is to the fans. It's against that backdrop that in my opinion we will get a resolution to this issue and that's what it will take create an environment of mutual respect where VT will feel more inclined to reverse his decision.

In the meantime fans should continue wearing blue to matches, do the 19.27 protest at all matches and most important of all give OGS and the team 100% support.

How does Malky's admission that me sent those texts, mean his sacking was justified. Tan only found about the texts long after he sacked Malky? The sacking was down to the interpretation of Tan that Malky had overspent and he was not seeing the results on the pitch for that overspend.

Thr fact that MM sent racist, sexists, homophobic and xenophobic text messages whilst employed by Cardiff City FC as team manager, a position of trust and one where the club would rightly expect to to an exemplar, someone who could be judged on everything he said and done. That's the justification can you really not see that.

I accept that at the time he was dismissed we all thought it was because of an alledged overspend on the agreed transfer budget, and it was during an investigation by the club into any alledged wrongdoing that these text messages came to light.

The fact that MM and his fellow bigot IM dropped thier legal action against the club shortly after the discovery of these text message,s and issued public apologies, again demonstrates they knew they had no case against the club.

Turn this on it's head In October last year the Trust issued a statement saying it believed the club and it's senior management should apologise for the sacking of IM. Do you believe the club and it's senior management have anything to apologise for?

I can see that as a justification when the text messages came to light, I think the text messages were awful reading and have given me a different view on Malky. But you can't go back in time, Malky was sacked in December not because of text messages but because of difference of opinion with the owner.

You say the trust asked the club to apologise for the sacking of moody. They weren't they were asking for the club to apologise to the fans because of the shit storm it created and lack of communicaton and transparency as to why he was sacked. It was left to the manager at the time to apologise which surely wasn't right at the time? So I think the trust were right to say what they did. I've provided a link to what was published.

Why should the trust issue an apology ? He was Tans employee so why should the fans say sorry.

Firstly the Trust is an organisation that represents fans and it took it upon itself to issue a public statement which said MM had nothing to apologise for but the club and senior management should say sorry over the IM sacking. The Trust did this without knowing ALL of the facts behind the decision.

In respect of the news last week regarding these text messages the Trust decided to adopt it's normal default position of saying until we get more detailed information regarding the allegations against MM they would not "speculate" on the matter until more information was available. The further information was available just a few hours later when MM admitted in a statement, issued by the LMA, that he had in fact sent text messages of a bigoted nature whilst employed as manager. He confirmed it again the following day in his interview with Sky.

So just under a year ago the Trust can call on the club to apologise to fans for sacking IM, can claim at the sametime that MM has nothing to apologise for and this without any apparent thought of the importance of having facts to back up thier statements. And last week they go back into default mode of saying nothing even after MM admitting to bigoted behaviour whilst employed as our manager.

Can you really not see why the Trust should at least issue a statement admitting they may have been wrong to pre-judge the issue regarding the sacking of IM. And that's exactly what they did a year ago.

Why should the trust issue an apology ? He was Tans employee so why should the fans say sorry.

Firstly the Trust is an organisation that represents fans and it took it upon itself to issue a public statement which said MM had nothing to apologise for but the club and senior management should say sorry over the IM sacking. The Trust did this without knowing ALL of the facts behind the decision.

In respect of the news last week regarding these text messages the Trust decided to adopt it's normal default position of saying until we get more detailed information regarding the allegations against MM they would not "speculate" on the matter until more information was available. The further information was available just a few hours later when MM admitted in a statement, issued by the LMA, that he had in fact sent text messages of a bigoted nature whilst employed as manager. He confirmed it again the following day in his interview with Sky.

So just under a year ago the Trust can call on the club to apologise to fans for sacking IM, can claim at the sametime that MM has nothing to apologise for and this without any apparent thought of the importance of having facts to back up thier statements. And last week they go back into default mode of saying nothing even after MM admitting to bigoted behaviour whilst employed as our manager.

Can you really not see why the Trust should at least issue a statement admitting they may have been wrong to pre-judge the issue regarding the sacking of IM. And that's exactly what they did a year ago.

Totally agree Castleblue.

CCST need to apologise for their statement last year, when they should have said nothing until they were in receipt of more facts.

CCST have been extremely biased against Tan due to the rebrand and were, and remain blinkered towards Tan.

CCST gave Malky a life membership as he was deeply respected.

CCST would do well to rescind that membership immediately, issuing a statement for it's reasons along with that apology.

Tan had lost complete trust in Moody and replaced him temporarily with an intelligent and extremely trusted graduate friend of his son.

I said at the time that he needed someone he could trust whilst outside the transfer window, until he got the footballing men in to replace Apsalyamov.

Tan agreed that he would invest incredible sums - £ 150 million so far in return for a change of shirt colour.

In our promotion season, there was very little protest.

Early last season, the same.

However, since we were played by Malky (and Tan was justified) we have given Tan an even rougher time and it's protest after protest with a fair amount of abuse thrown in.

Tan has lost trust in the team's fans and CCST.

We need to do whatever we can to help regain that trust as without it he will not budge.

I work in conflict resolution and could draft a letter, that IMO would help bring resolution at least a little bit closer.

We have until May/June of next year to work on this and it's a case of working towards resolution rather than 'forcing' Tan to change.

I think a compromise with the fans would be the change of kit.... However I can see a compromise in the colour of a blue kit with red on the home strip. We will look silly if we go all blue again and we have those red seats IMO .

Tan needs to address and meet with some of the fans and indicate what needs to be done to build a strong relationship with fans again. Outlining the future of the club and his plans.

All perfectly reasonable but do you think that would be acceptable to ALL our fanbase.

Prob not....... I don't think all of the fan base will be reunited unless the following occurs, city promoted, current owner sells up, new owner changes city back to complete blue, installs new blue seats, completes the new training facility and so on..

Why should the trust issue an apology ? He was Tans employee so why should the fans say sorry.

Firstly the Trust is an organisation that represents fans and it took it upon itself to issue a public statement which said MM had nothing to apologise for but the club and senior management should say sorry over the IM sacking. The Trust did this without knowing ALL of the facts behind the decision.

In respect of the news last week regarding these text messages the Trust decided to adopt it's normal default position of saying until we get more detailed information regarding the allegations against MM they would not "speculate" on the matter until more information was available. The further information was available just a few hours later when MM admitted in a statement, issued by the LMA, that he had in fact sent text messages of a bigoted nature whilst employed as manager. He confirmed it again the following day in his interview with Sky.

So just under a year ago the Trust can call on the club to apologise to fans for sacking IM, can claim at the sametime that MM has nothing to apologise for and this without any apparent thought of the importance of having facts to back up thier statements. And last week they go back into default mode of saying nothing even after MM admitting to bigoted behaviour whilst employed as our manager.

Can you really not see why the Trust should at least issue a statement admitting they may have been wrong to pre-judge the issue regarding the sacking of IM. And that's exactly what they did a year ago.

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with. Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ? So in my mind the trust in no way should say sorry to Tan. As I said if those without sin then please throw the first stone.

Why should the trust issue an apology ? He was Tans employee so why should the fans say sorry.

Firstly the Trust is an organisation that represents fans and it took it upon itself to issue a public statement which said MM had nothing to apologise for but the club and senior management should say sorry over the IM sacking. The Trust did this without knowing ALL of the facts behind the decision.

In respect of the news last week regarding these text messages the Trust decided to adopt it's normal default position of saying until we get more detailed information regarding the allegations against MM they would not "speculate" on the matter until more information was available. The further information was available just a few hours later when MM admitted in a statement, issued by the LMA, that he had in fact sent text messages of a bigoted nature whilst employed as manager. He confirmed it again the following day in his interview with Sky.

So just under a year ago the Trust can call on the club to apologise to fans for sacking IM, can claim at the sametime that MM has nothing to apologise for and this without any apparent thought of the importance of having facts to back up thier statements. And last week they go back into default mode of saying nothing even after MM admitting to bigoted behaviour whilst employed as our manager.

Can you really not see why the Trust should at least issue a statement admitting they may have been wrong to pre-judge the issue regarding the sacking of IM. And that's exactly what they did a year ago.

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with. Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ? So in my mind the trust in no way should say sorry to Tan. As I said if those without sin then please throw the first stone.

Underhand - are you serious about that.

Nukes thinks it's all tans fault underhand that deserves a couple more smileys

Nukes thinks it's all tans fault underhand that deserves a couple more smileys

a few more for you.
Tan is a very vengeful man who should never be crossed. Why did he want to dig the dirt on Malky ? Nothing to do with not wanting to pay the compensation then. Hmmmm

Nukes thinks it's all tans fault underhand that deserves a couple more smileys

a few more for you.
Tan is a very vengeful man who should never be crossed. Why did he want to dig the dirt on Malky ? Nothing to do with not wanting to pay the compensation then. Hmmmm

That's life nukes

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

Amazing how some people accuse Malky of playing the supporters but agree on Tan playing the racist card.

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

Amazing how some people accuse Malky of playing the supporters but agree on Tan playing the racist card.

what ?! When did Tan play the racist card? Do you even know what "playing the racist card" means ?

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

Amazing how some people accuse Malky of playing the supporters but agree on Tan playing the racist card.

what ?! When did Tan play the racist card? Do you even know what "playing the racist card" means ?

Haha do you?

Do you think Tan was offended by the text messages? Was he bollocks and if you think otherwise you are deluded.

All Tan is doing is using the situation to embarrass Malky. Thinly veiled playing the racist card.

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

Amazing how some people accuse Malky of playing the supporters but agree on Tan playing the racist card.

what ?! When did Tan play the racist card? Do you even know what "playing the racist card" means ?

Haha do you?

Do you think Tan was offended by the text messages? Was he bollocks and if you think otherwise you are deluded.

All Tan is doing is using the situation to embarrass Malky. Thinly veiled playing the racist card.

And of course ian getting out of paying millions in compo, which is the main reason imo

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

Amazing how some people accuse Malky of playing the supporters but agree on Tan playing the racist card.

what ?! When did Tan play the racist card? Do you even know what "playing the racist card" means ?

Haha do you?

Do you think Tan was offended by the text messages? Was he bollocks and if you think otherwise you are deluded.

All Tan is doing is using the situation to embarrass Malky. Thinly veiled playing the racist card.

Ian I don't believe that VT has played the race card here because details of these text messages have fallen into his lap like manna from heaven, but boy has he used them to maximum effect and it's doing untold damage to MM reputation.

The thing is details of these text messages were found whilst his lawyers were looking for evidence of financial wrongdoing and IF that is found to have taken place then expect a sustained process of character assasination against MM.

It's nasty vengeful stuff no doubt about that and it proves the point when people say the Truth Can Be Ugly.

Nukes thinks it's all tans fault underhand that deserves a couple more smileys

a few more for you.
Tan is a very vengeful man who should never be crossed. Why did he want to dig the dirt on Malky ? Nothing to do with not wanting to pay the compensation then. Hmmmm

Thank God he did find something then. Malky overspent a lot on transfers. To pay him compensation as well would have really rankled.

Do you think Tan was offended by the text messages? Was he bollocks and if you think otherwise you are deluded.

I don't know if he was offended, I would be in his shoes, but that's really beside the point. The point being that Malky was Tan's employee in a position of leadership and trust and he was referring to colleagues, client, his boss and potential employees in vile terms.

Whether Tan was offended or not is neither here nor there, so stop throwing red herrings into this.

All Tan is doing is using the situation to embarrass Malky. Thinly veiled playing the racist card.

Tan is playing this by the book. The LMA had the dossier for weeks and ignored it. If Malky's embarrased by it he has no one but himself to blame. It's very simple really.

The way Tan went about it was very underhand. He had someone to delve into every aspect of his private life to drag something up that the Liberal brigade could hang him with.

ppplleeeeeeaaaase......He delved into his professional life only. What Malky gets up with his wife or mistresses Tan doesn't care about. What Malky did while performing his duties as our manager, that's what Tan is interested in and so should you if you're a Cardiff fan.

Now with any one of us if some billionaire payed someone to drag up dirt on someone. Can hand on heart anyone say they would be whiter than white ?

In my professional life? Yes absolutely spotless! Unlike Malky

Amazing how some Cardiff fans keep defending someone who harmed our club!

Amazing how some people accuse Malky of playing the supporters but agree on Tan playing the racist card.

what ?! When did Tan play the racist card? Do you even know what "playing the racist card" means ?

Haha do you?

Do you think Tan was offended by the text messages? Was he bollocks and if you think otherwise you are deluded.

All Tan is doing is using the situation to embarrass Malky. Thinly veiled playing the racist card.

And of course ian getting out of paying millions in compo, which is the main reason imo

I am glad that he did.