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Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:46 pm
Since it seems Hudson won't be playing much next season(this is only a guess but I don't think Hudson will feature much under Ole) and the imminent departure of Caulker, who do we think would be a suitable captain?
Personally I feel Ben Turner is the ideal man for this, he's been here three seasons now and experienced a League Cup final, play-off heartbreak, winning the league and relegation.
If he cut out his mistakes and limited his aimless passes I think he'd be the all round person to lead us to a second promotion?
Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:48 pm
Not a bad shout. Marshall for me though
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:00 pm
I think the fact this thread has been created is a worry. Nobody is sure who will be the new captain. We are lacking a leader if Hudson doesn't feature. I honestly can't think of one player in the squad who is a natural born leader. We are lacking characters in the squad, when the chips are down the players don't know who to turn to. I've said all summer we need a midfield general who can be a leader, who can motivate and galvanise the team, who's presence can lift the whole team just by being on the pitch. We don't have anyone like that who you would think will be a guaranteed starter for us next season. If we manage to sign him, I would have to say Jose Fonte, simply because he's experienced and has done it at a higher level.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:12 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:I think the fact this thread has been created is a worry. Nobody is sure who will be the new captain. We are lacking a leader if Hudson doesn't feature. I honestly can't think of one player in the squad who is a natural born leader. We are lacking characters in the squad, when the chips are down the players don't know who to turn to. I've said all summer we need a midfield general who can be a leader, who can motivate and galvanise the team, who's presence can lift the whole team just by being on the pitch. We don't have anyone like that who you would think will be a guaranteed starter for us next season. If we manage to sign him, I would have to say Jose Fonte, simply because he's experienced and has done it at a higher level.
That I can definitely agree on. We haven't had a standout leader who was team captain and club captain since Darren Purse. We need someone like that to back the manager up in times of need. Who can lift the team when needed. I would agree with midfield general but I don't know what kind of player is out there that would join us. Jose Fonte is a good shout if we manage to land him, I don't think the players would be too upset if he got given the captaincy as well but you've got to be cautious.
From current squad members, I can only think of Marshall or Gunnarsson being the other options for the captains armband
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:19 pm
PartyWithOle wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:I think the fact this thread has been created is a worry. Nobody is sure who will be the new captain. We are lacking a leader if Hudson doesn't feature. I honestly can't think of one player in the squad who is a natural born leader. We are lacking characters in the squad, when the chips are down the players don't know who to turn to. I've said all summer we need a midfield general who can be a leader, who can motivate and galvanise the team, who's presence can lift the whole team just by being on the pitch. We don't have anyone like that who you would think will be a guaranteed starter for us next season. If we manage to sign him, I would have to say Jose Fonte, simply because he's experienced and has done it at a higher level.
That I can definitely agree on. We haven't had a standout leader who was team captain and club captain since Darren Purse. We need someone like that to back the manager up in times of need. Who can lift the team when needed. I would agree with midfield general but I don't know what kind of player is out there that would join us. Jose Fonte is a good shout if we manage to land him, I don't think the players would be too upset if he got given the captaincy as well but you've got to be cautious.
From current squad members, I can only think of Marshall or Gunnarsson being the other options for the captains armband
I agree with Gunnarsson, but I don't think he will be a regular starter. I have to agree with Marshall, I still don't think he's the most vocal, but he led by example last season with some incredible performances to lift the team.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:22 pm
The captain should be a player that is one of the first on the team sheet.That's not turner or Gunnar. Marshall is the obvious choice.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:25 pm
I think Turner is a good shout.
Although in my opinion is a captain on the field makes little impact, a leader is a leader Irrespective if they have the armband. A captain is all about how they lead the squad off the field so for that I would have no idea.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:30 pm
2blue2handle wrote:I think Turner is a good shout.
Although in my opinion is a captain on the field makes little impact, a leader is a leader Irrespective if they have the armband. A captain is all about how they lead the squad off the field so for that I would have no idea.
The problem is If ole gets a new cb I don't see turner starting. Having the captain on the bench doesn't seem right.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:36 pm
Tommy2 wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I think Turner is a good shout.
Although in my opinion is a captain on the field makes little impact, a leader is a leader Irrespective if they have the armband. A captain is all about how they lead the squad off the field so for that I would have no idea.
The problem is If ole gets a new cb I don't see turner starting. Having the captain on the bench doesn't seem right.
I'd be for a CB partnership of Turner and Fonte for sure. But agree with the sentiments people are making. We NEED a leader
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:52 pm
PartyWithOle wrote:Tommy2 wrote:2blue2handle wrote:I think Turner is a good shout.
Although in my opinion is a captain on the field makes little impact, a leader is a leader Irrespective if they have the armband. A captain is all about how they lead the squad off the field so for that I would have no idea.
The problem is If ole gets a new cb I don't see turner starting. Having the captain on the bench doesn't seem right.
I'd be for a CB partnership of Turner and Fonte for sure. But agree with the sentiments people are making. We NEED a leader
Fonte is a leader if ole signs him he is a better fit as he would be an obvious starter and is a much better player.
Turner will probably have to compete with cala for the other cb spot.
A captain on the bench is not much use.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:54 pm
I agree we need a leader. Personally I think we missed one last season badly, and didn't think Caulker was a leader. Probably only managed to sign him by offering the captaincy. I would have been tempted to have gone for Gary even with limited English - he would have been more fired up, and would have made sure no one was slacking. Zaha would have been savaged.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:58 pm
So long as its not Whitts

Great player but piss poor captain

Marshall for me
Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:07 pm
I wouldn't want to give it to a new player. Need someone who has fought for the cause, and it cheapens role to hand it out to a new signing before they have proved themselves.
First choice for me is Marshall if we keep him -our biggest player, and would encourage him to be more vocal. Gunnar would be a good choice as a committed hard working City player, tho agree he would struggle to start every game with competition.
Not massive fan of Turner, tho committed and certainly good enough for top end of Champ, think he would see it as an real honour.
Dare I say Whitts name should even be in the mix as our longest serving player. Will start most games in Champ. Needs to become more vocal.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:14 pm
Marshall and Campbell are the only ones who gave it a go last season. Maybe we need a new captain to freshen it up has to be a starter tho.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:29 pm
Whenever I hear Turner speak or be interviewed, he speaks a LOT of sense. Also is quite vocal on the pitch. Would be a good choice, in my eyes.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:11 pm
If Hudson is not playing, for me its between Marshall and Turner.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:28 pm
Would like Turner, if we get Fonte then he would be good but coming in and being handed the armband ain't the best feeling for coming into the club.
Turner or Marshall, like Chuckles said I feel Turner speaks a lot of sense, someone our players would look up to *literally*.
Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:32 pm
So do people think players listen to the captain on the pitch? I don't.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:41 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:Whenever I hear Turner speak or be interviewed, he speaks a LOT of sense. Also is quite vocal on the pitch. Would be a good choice, in my eyes.
I agree Barry. He is very level headed and articulate. He has good communication skills under pressure (e.g. Interviews) which makes him my choice tbh.
No way should that armband be given to a new-comer no matter how good. It takes time to learn the ropes in any side.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:34 am
A lot of people thinking Ben the hoof Turner is a guaranteed starter then ?
Personally hoping for a new centre back with Juan Cala.
Marshall got to be the obvious choice for me. Outside chance id say Fabio
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:17 am
Barry Chuckle wrote:Whenever I hear Turner speak or be interviewed, he speaks a LOT of sense. Also is quite vocal on the pitch. Would be a good choice, in my eyes.
I agree with the first part & I like Turner & his passion but can we have a captain that consistently gives the ball away?
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:18 am
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:I think the fact this thread has been created is a worry. Nobody is sure who will be the new captain. We are lacking a leader if Hudson doesn't feature. I honestly can't think of one player in the squad who is a natural born leader. We are lacking characters in the squad, when the chips are down the players don't know who to turn to. I've said all summer we need a midfield general who can be a leader, who can motivate and galvanise the team, who's presence can lift the whole team just by being on the pitch. We don't have anyone like that who you would think will be a guaranteed starter for us next season. If we manage to sign him, I would have to say Jose Fonte, simply because he's experienced and has done it at a higher level.
Good post.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:24 am
Id be more than happy with big Ben as captain. It all depends if he plays or not though.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:29 am
Personally I don't want turner as captain & ideally not even in the first xi.
At the moment the only stand out captain we have would be Marshall.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:19 am
PartyWithOle wrote:Since it seems Hudson won't be playing much next season(this is only a guess but I don't think Hudson will feature much under Ole) and the imminent departure of Caulker, who do we think would be a suitable captain?
Personally I feel Ben Turner is the ideal man for this, he's been here three seasons now and experienced a League Cup final, play-off heartbreak, winning the league and relegation.
If he cut out his mistakes and limited his aimless passes I think he'd be the all round person to lead us to a second promotion?

I can not agree with this. I honestly do not want Turner anywhere near the starting line up this upcoming season. He is a woeful excuse for a footballer. Suited to the bottom couple of divisions where his lack of mobility will not get punished and the fact that hoofball is what gets played down there. If Cardiff have any designs on playing positive possesion based attacking football, which seems to be Ole's mantra then Ben Turner can not be anywhere near the pitch.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:49 am
I reckon Captaincy would be the confidence boost Turner has needed. Will flourish under a more demanding role. Always seems a well liked and popular member of the squad (the cinemon challenge comes to mind). I think he would do a good job.
However, if we manage to bring an experienced midfielder in like Gary O'Neil, they should instantly get the role. We haven't had organisation in that midfield since the Man City game under MacKay.
I'm desperate for Ole to sign a no nonsense midfielder. Almost a Lee Cattermole. Our squad is crying out for a player like that.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:57 am
Marshall is the obvious new captain, in my opinion.
If not him, I actually think Turner could be a superb club captain for us, as I detailed in another post here the other day. My only issue is his ball distribution, which at times is downright abysmal. He knocks it long to no one, or tries to pass along the back line yet somehow manages to give it away - if he can fix those parts of his game, he'd be great.
He frustrates me, but by god he wears his heart on his sleeve and jumps in front of bloody everything. He rallies people, and in interviews doesn't seem to put up with much shit. I'd happily see him as captain, if he works on his passing.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:02 am
CardiffOz wrote:PartyWithOle wrote:Since it seems Hudson won't be playing much next season(this is only a guess but I don't think Hudson will feature much under Ole) and the imminent departure of Caulker, who do we think would be a suitable captain?
Personally I feel Ben Turner is the ideal man for this, he's been here three seasons now and experienced a League Cup final, play-off heartbreak, winning the league and relegation.
If he cut out his mistakes and limited his aimless passes I think he'd be the all round person to lead us to a second promotion?

I can not agree with this. I honestly do not want Turner anywhere near the starting line up this upcoming season. He is a woeful excuse for a footballer. Suited to the bottom couple of divisions where his lack of mobility will not get punished and the fact that hoofball is what gets played down there. If Cardiff have any designs on playing positive possesion based attacking football, which seems to be Ole's mantra then Ben Turner can not be anywhere near the pitch.
Bit harsh but I mostly agree. Looking at last season turner was in and out of oles team. He isnt gonna pick a captain he has no intention of making a regular starter.
You make a good point about possession football, never mind character shouldn't the captain be a player that understand the teams philosophy? It would be odd to have a captain that's hoofing the ball if ole tries to implement possession football.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:11 pm
I'd say no too Turner as our new captain, Marshall is my choice.
I think our future captain(if we can keep him) will be Daelhi. You all saw him last season. 19 yrs, pointing and commanding far more experienced players in our team. I really do wish Ole will play him as number 10 this season.
Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:31 pm
CardiffOz wrote:PartyWithOle wrote:Since it seems Hudson won't be playing much next season(this is only a guess but I don't think Hudson will feature much under Ole) and the imminent departure of Caulker, who do we think would be a suitable captain?
Personally I feel Ben Turner is the ideal man for this, he's been here three seasons now and experienced a League Cup final, play-off heartbreak, winning the league and relegation.
If he cut out his mistakes and limited his aimless passes I think he'd be the all round person to lead us to a second promotion?

I can not agree with this. I honestly do not want Turner anywhere near the starting line up this upcoming season. He is a woeful excuse for a footballer. Suited to the bottom couple of divisions where his lack of mobility will not get punished and the fact that hoofball is what gets played down there. If Cardiff have any designs on playing positive possesion based attacking football, which seems to be Ole's mantra then Ben Turner can not be anywhere near the pitch.
Incredibly harsh criticism IMO. He's not a woeful excuse by any means and the lack of mobility? What about that slide tackle in the SW derby on Shelvey? That slide tackle at home against Spurs? He's not exactly an oaf with no pace, he actually has quite a bit of speed on his stature. He's better than Hudson and that's for sure.
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