Why the hatred

I am a big Cardiff fan nothing compared to some but my 1st game was oxford home 4-1 loss Paul Moody Hat trick. Vincent Tan has invested loads of money for a return no doubt but otherwise we would be a struggling team at best. We seam to think that we as fans choose colour of kit identity etc. but the truth is if you loaned anybody the amount of money Tan has invested I would want everything Tan has asked for, im not a Tan fan but I got to admit loan or equity without Tan we would be a Leeds bringing in shit players with their own packed lunches. Yes we should tell him colour change is not ideal but would anybody storm into their bosses office telling him he is a tool knowing full well without him he ends up with no job. Sympathise no doubt but I am a realist.

None of us work for Tan so that argument doesn't wash.

We've all watched a struggling team and at times and I'm sure many would again.

I am a big Cardiff fan nothing compared to some but my 1st game was oxford home 4-1 loss Paul Moody Hat trick. Vincent Tan has invested loads of money for a return no doubt but otherwise we would be a struggling team at best. We seam to think that we as fans choose colour of kit identity etc. but the truth is if you loaned anybody the amount of money Tan has invested I would want everything Tan has asked for, im not a Tan fan but I got to admit loan or equity without Tan we would be a Leeds bringing in shit players with their own packed lunches. Yes we should tell him colour change is not ideal but would anybody storm into their bosses office telling him he is a tool knowing full well without him he ends up with no job. Sympathise no doubt but I am a realist.

The hatred is because of the fact it doesn't feel like Cardiff City anymore and i don't find it enjoyable going down there anymore, ripped the heart and soul out of the club. I have stopped going for the time being, and it's Tans fault.

Perhaps I am wrong but after watching games like watching us beat chester 2-1 to avoid being bottom of league 2 Northampton loss in play offs Simon Howarth to wigan I for one was a Hamman fan then a Ridsdale the tw*t and now Tan not ideal but would I rather be owned by Samesh Kumar in league 2 or be favourites for the championship with 40 players o n the books. Im not a red fan but I think I reckon ask many a fan the honest truth and I am right.

Again no ticket last season so no games to watch and a friend of mine told me in December we were down because of no atmoshphere all in fighting by our own fans,that is our fault, we as fans are there to support our team, who,s players are on loads of money because Tan said he would cover it the fact is Tan is here to invest and take out a profit but look at Blackburn leeds etc its all gone wrong because of fans please don't let us become the next team. All im saying is if you believe in blue wear blue and protest after the final whistle not when we are playing and need the 12th man like we had in championship and early premier league games no fluke we beat the champions with a full house of support.

Perhaps I am wrong but after watching games like watching us beat chester 2-1 to avoid being bottom of league 2 Northampton loss in play offs Simon Howarth to wigan I for one was a Hamman fan then a Ridsdale the tw*t and now Tan not ideal but would I rather be owned by Samesh Kumar in league 2 or be favourites for the championship with 40 players o n the books. Im not a red fan but I think I reckon ask many a fan the honest truth and I am right.

Thing is, we should be doing well in blue. The fact that so many people have stopped going the last 2 years says it all. Obviously you have a different opinion which is fair enough.

I agree with you Carl also can't understand the" rather be in league 1 or 2 or the championship and be blue" I think Red and successful would do for me
Lets be honest it's not as exciting this year as last when we were a new
Premier club

I am a big Cardiff fan nothing compared to some but my 1st game was oxford home 4-1 loss Paul Moody Hat trick. Vincent Tan has invested loads of money for a return no doubt but otherwise we would be a struggling team at best. We seam to think that we as fans choose colour of kit identity etc. but the truth is if you loaned anybody the amount of money Tan has invested I would want everything Tan has asked for, im not a Tan fan but I got to admit loan or equity without Tan we would be a Leeds bringing in shit players with their own packed lunches. Yes we should tell him colour change is not ideal but would anybody storm into their bosses office telling him he is a tool knowing full well without him he ends up with no job. Sympathise no doubt but I am a realist.

Nice one! .......................

Look im not looking for a right answer but it doesn't matter to me if we play in red,blue or any other colour the truth is if Tan never said we will be red some fans wouldn't be bothered myself included.There is a bigger picture and I for 1 think all this blue or I am not a fan is hypocritical. I am a Cardiff fan not a colour fan even though when shouting bluebirds in red seemed ironic !!

True

None of us work for Tan so that argument doesn't wash.

We've all watched a struggling team and at times and I'm sure many would again.

Quote: "We've ALL watched a struggling team..."

Hmmmm, I don't think so, fella. A few thousand apart (no doubt you are one of them ) most Cardiff City fans have only really seen the good days

The OP has a point TBH, even if some don't want to acknowledge that

I just hate all this in fighting etc never known us to say players are over paid etc, but we all slag off players staff etc but its Tans pocket it comes out of.Remember Sam Hammam promising us all the dreams I would of loved us out paying Jason Fowler Leo Fortune west wages etc not Caulker Campbell Medel im still living the dream.

I just hate all this in fighting etc never known us to say players are over paid etc, but we all slag off players staff etc but its Tans pocket it comes out of.Remember Sam Hammam promising us all the dreams I would of loved us out paying Jason Fowler Leo Fortune west wages etc not Caulker Campbell Medel im still living the dream.

Poor players, decrepit grounds and relegations have all been part if my experiences of supporting City. It was ok because we were all Cardiff City and we were together. We could all put up with that again if we had to. What was not fun was the uncertainty the followed Sam's calamitous financial management of the club when we did not know from week to week whether we would have a club to support. Some people have such short memories. I will accept a colour change for that any day.

Hatred = lunacy.

I agree with you Carl also can't understand the" rather be in league 1 or 2 or the championship and be blue" I think Red and successful would do for me
Lets be honest it's not as exciting this year as last when we were a new
Premier club

Don't be so daft if "success" is everything then piss off to a club that is playing top flight football. For me Cardiff City is more than just the standard of football, f**k me we all would've gave up years ago if that was the case. It's a culture a pride of what we represent. We're BLUEbirds !

It's down to frustration

We all recognise the investment Tan has made in the club and if it were not for the rebrand he would be treated with the utmost respect and reverence by everybody on here because of his financial investment.

However it's his stubbornness and unwillingness to recognise the failure and PR disaster that the rebrand has been is what attacks the venom.

It's obvious to everyone bar one man.

It could be oh so different but one mans ego is stopping the decision that could change all this and bring a disunited club back together again and we would be better and stronger going forward as a club as a result.

It's just plain bonkers really.

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

It's disappointing that one mans Ego,stops this being a united club off the field ,and a genuine force on the field.

I agree tan has 'saved' the club, when he stepped in.

How much of the money to-date is his or just debts against the club is another matter.

Football is about much more than playing top flight football - you support your local team through thick & thin. It is about passion and emotions. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have the lower leagues with teams surviving from cup runs.

If owners go around changing colours, names it all becomes faceless - may be ok for american football.

Sam Hammam 'saved' the club when he took over and look where that got us. If I remember he changed the badge, wanted us to move to Dublin and play in green at one point!

I thank Tan for his money and stepping in when he did - I hate him for making our club a mockery in the last 2 years or so.

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Really....did you ever buy one of those tickets guessing what time the first goal was scored..now what were they called?

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Three different meetings were arranged and Tan has cancelled all of them, with no good reason given.

Of course the fans would like to sit down with him and talk,but if he is not willing to, we cant force him can we?

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Three different meetings were arranged and Tan has cancelled all of them, with no good reason given.

Of course the fans would like to sit down with him and talk,but if he is not willing to, we cant force him can we?

Do you know what those tickets were called?

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Three different meetings were arranged and Tan has cancelled all of them, with no good reason given.

Of course the fans would like to sit down with him and talk,but if he is not willing to, we cant force him can we?

Do you know what those tickets were called?

No Ian, but I remember them

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Really....did you ever buy one of those tickets guessing what time the first goal was scored..now what were they called?

No I have never purchased a golden goal ticket why?

See a lot of people on this forum saying that it doesn't matter what league we play in as long as we play in blue, preferably with Tan gone. About 20,000 people would probably disagree with that, if we end up playing Rochdale or Darlington etc. in the lower divisions, I can assure you we won't get gates of 28,000 then. I've been there plenty of times with less than 5,000 others for company, and for those who have only seen us in the top two divisions, I can tell you that the atmosphere is pretty flat when you are losing to teams not much above Welsh league standard. I should add that I am very pro blue, just pointing something out to the younger fans.

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Three different meetings were arranged and Tan has cancelled all of them, with no good reason given.

Of course the fans would like to sit down with him and talk,but if he is not willing to, we cant force him can we?

Do you know what those tickets were called?

No Ian, but I remember them

Trivia for your records about those tickets.

Brian Clarke scored his 100th goal for Cardiff against Preston North End in a 5-2 win, 1972/73 season. After the game he has to apologise to the manager Jimmy Scouler. Why? Becuase Scoular bought one of those tickets and it read 30 seconds. Scoular told Clarke to go out there and do his best showing him the reading on his car. Clarke scored after 45 seconds. Some people know how to take the michel hey?

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Really....did you ever buy one of those tickets guessing what time the first goal was scored..now what were they called?

No I have never purchased a golden goal ticket why?

Could not remember their name.

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Really....did you ever buy one of those tickets guessing what time the first goal was scored..now what were they called?

No I have never purchased a golden goal ticket why?

Could not remember their name.

I used to travel to the away games on the supporters club bus run by the likes of Kevin or roger if you can remember them?

it's disappointing that the so called leaders of our supporter groups have not got together and are yet to take Vincent Tan seriously on his offer of compromise. It does appear our leaders are lacking the skills of negotiation, surely with red on the field and blue off it things can only get better as we are now in a good position to negotiate should our leaders take the right approach. Common ground needs to be established before the season starts such as uncompromising support of our team during this promotion attempt, continue wearing blue however silently rejecting the re-brand.I would settle for blue home and red away with the traditional bluebird badge at home and the new badge away.

I am a supporter since 1970

Really....did you ever buy one of those tickets guessing what time the first goal was scored..now what were they called?

No I have never purchased a golden goal ticket why?

Could not remember their name.

I used to travel to the away games on the supporters club bus run by the likes of Kevin or roger if you can remember them?

Never went on the buses. Use to do the transit fan with the Kerslakes from Barry and the Oldrigdes from St Athan.

I am a big Cardiff fan nothing compared to some but my 1st game was oxford home 4-1 loss Paul Moody Hat trick. Vincent Tan has invested loads of money for a return no doubt but otherwise we would be a struggling team at best. We seam to think that we as fans choose colour of kit identity etc. but the truth is if you loaned anybody the amount of money Tan has invested I would want everything Tan has asked for, im not a Tan fan but I got to admit loan or equity without Tan we would be a Leeds bringing in shit players with their own packed lunches. Yes we should tell him colour change is not ideal but would anybody storm into their bosses office telling him he is a tool knowing full well without him he ends up with no job. Sympathise no doubt but I am a realist.

When a bank lends you money to buy your house they don't tell you what colour to paint it