Ian Wright...

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

Show some respect if it wasn't for the Military then you wouldn't enjoy the freedom of writing such crap!!! f*cking disgusting attitude

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

Show some respect if it wasn't for the Military then you wouldn't enjoy the freedom of writing such crap!!! f*cking disgusting attitude

Someone else who hasn't read my post properly, and has just jumped on the outrage bus...

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

Show some respect if it wasn't for the Military then you wouldn't enjoy the freedom of writing such crap!!! f*cking disgusting attitude

Someone else who hasn't read my post properly, and has just jumped on the outrage bus...

Maybe you should read your original comment in the first place before accusing others of reading it incorrectly.

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

'So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...'

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

'So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...'

You've misread my post AGAIN.

I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe.

That's what I'm accusing the Sun of, right there...

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

'So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...'

You've misread my post AGAIN.

I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe.

That's what I'm accusing the Sun of, right there...

Where has the Sun ever said that then..?

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

'So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...'

You've misread my post AGAIN.

I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe.

That's what I'm accusing the Sun of, right there...

Where has the Sun ever said that then..?

Have you ever read the paper? The two words are never that far apart.

Although I respect our armed forces, I don't respect the wars we've Been involved in over recent years (Afghanistan Iraq) pointless wars that have cost billions, countless lives, achieved hardly anything positive, and in my oppinion has made the world a much more dangerous place (like hitting a hornets nest with a stick) but that's down to our governments total incompetence on how all this would eventually pan out if we kept on sticking our noses in where its not wanted....yet our governments still insist on making the same mistakes ... Syria et, They are breeding terrorism and using our armed forces to do it

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

'So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...'

You've misread my post AGAIN.

I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe.

That's what I'm accusing the Sun of, right there...

Where has the Sun ever said that then..?

Have you ever read the paper? The two words are never that far apart.

So its never actually said it then..?

Although I respect our armed forces, I don't respect the wars we've Been involved in over recent years (Afghanistan Iraq) pointless wars that have cost billions, countless lives, achieved hardly anything positive, and in my oppinion has made the world a much more dangerous place (like hitting a hornets nest with a stick) but that's down to our governments total incompetence on how all this would eventually pan out if we kept on sticking our noses in where its not wanted....yet our governments still insist on making the same mistakes ... Syria et, They are breeding terrorism and using our armed forces to do it

but Governments decisions have nothing to do with the people who are in the armed forces..?

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

Do you know how much soldiers earn? I doubt it as you would then not say such stupid uneducated comments.
A private soldier (trained not recruit) earns less than a nurse, police, ambulance person does when they are untrained just starting work. These people seem to get called heroes a lot in the Mirror and Guardian but do nothing dangerous. Infact pay, terms of employment are unbelievable with no real responsibility or accountability, compared to that of a soldier.
Compare a soldiers pay to that of a civil servant or local council employee (almost wrote worker then) and you would soon want the armed forces getting more pay. Without their protection we would not be safe in our own country and free to write what we want.

Although I respect our armed forces, I don't respect the wars we've Been involved in over recent years (Afghanistan Iraq) pointless wars that have cost billions, countless lives, achieved hardly anything positive, and in my oppinion has made the world a much more dangerous place (like hitting a hornets nest with a stick) but that's down to our governments total incompetence on how all this would eventually pan out if we kept on sticking our noses in where its not wanted....yet our governments still insist on making the same mistakes ... Syria et, They are breeding terrorism and using our armed forces to do it

Can't argue with this, mate. Totally agree.

Although I respect our armed forces, I don't respect the wars we've Been involved in over recent years (Afghanistan Iraq) pointless wars that have cost billions, countless lives, achieved hardly anything positive, and in my oppinion has made the world a much more dangerous place (like hitting a hornets nest with a stick) but that's down to our governments total incompetence on how all this would eventually pan out if we kept on sticking our noses in where its not wanted....yet our governments still insist on making the same mistakes ... Syria et, They are breeding terrorism and using our armed forces to do it

but Governments decisions have nothing to do with the people who are in the armed forces..?

My point exactly, and why I have total respect for our armed forces, who are needlessly being killed and wounded, leaving behind grieving families over pointless conflicts, I look at Iraq now, and it seems to be 100times worse than what it was before we invaded.... Tony Blair, hang your head in shame

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

Do you know how much soldiers earn? I doubt it as you would then not say such stupid uneducated comments.
A private soldier (trained not recruit) earns less than a nurse, police, ambulance person does when they are untrained just starting work. These people seem to get called heroes a lot in the Mirror and Guardian but do nothing dangerous. Infact pay, terms of employment are unbelievable with no real responsibility or accountability, compared to that of a soldier.
Compare a soldiers pay to that of a civil servant or local council employee (almost wrote worker then) and you would soon want the armed forces getting more pay. Without their protection we would not be safe in our own country and free to write what we want.

What is stupid and uneducated about that? Soldiers get PAID for what they do - the days of press ganging and conscription are long gone - nobody is FORCED into the army.

Yes, they don't get as much as some civil servants, but neither do a lot of other people.

You think its embarrassing to respect people who stand in front of loons with guns, who plant IED's to kill them???

Bit of a strange attitude but each to their own.

No, you misunderstood what I was saying.

I reiterate - I'm GLAD we've got armed forces to be proud of, but at the same time, those guys are doing their jobs and they're paid for it, not forced into it. So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...

The Sun has never said that a soldier should get paid more than anyone else!!! I tell you what gets up my goat is that people blaming the Sun newspaper for all of their disjointed beliefs

Where did I claim the Sun had said that?

'So when people come out and start demanding that soldiers be paid more than anyone else etc, it gets my goat. I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe...'

You've misread my post AGAIN.

I don't believe that being a soldier automatically makes you a hero, as the Sun would have you believe.

That's what I'm accusing the Sun of, right there...

Where has the Sun ever said that then..?

Have you ever read the paper? The two words are never that far apart.

So its never actually said it then..?

I DIDN'T say the Sun HAD said it - whenever I've read the Sun's coverage of military events/issues etc, it GIVES ME THE IMPRESSION that all soldiers should be known as heroes.

so the bottom line is that you are assuming things that just isn't there.

Anybody that willingly signs up to protect the freedom and liberty I enjoy gets my total and unquestionable respect.

The OP wants to be thankful enough people do sign up, otherwise there would be conscription or at least a period of compulsary military service.

The soldiers dont have a say on why they fight, they just follow orders......orders which can result in their death.

"When you go home tell them of us and say: for your tomorrow we gave our today"

Anybody that willingly signs up to protect the freedom and liberty I enjoy gets my total and unquestionable respect.

The OP wants to be thankful enough people do sign up, otherwise there would be conscription or at least a period of compulsary military service.

The soldiers dont have a say on why they fight, they just follow orders......orders which can result in their death.

"When you go home tell them of us and say: for your tomorrow we gave our today"

Couldn't agree more Craig

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

As Craig said each to their own, however having served in the army for 11 years I do feel that you are showing disrespect to anyone who has ever risked their lives protecting our way of life. If you are embarrassed about the respect the majority of the British public are showing to our armed forces, I would like you to take a moment and think of all the wives/husbands who have lost their spouses. Finally think of all the children who now have to grow up without a father or mother, some of whom will probably have never seen their father or mother apart from photos. Every person who makes the brave decision to join our armed forces deserves the upmost respect!

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

you're getting a pasting here mate but im gonna stick my neck out and say i agree with you.

i have the utmost respect for the armed forces. let me just say that first.

but the way people treat them like gods make me cringe. it seems to give them a pass.

if an iraqi murders a soldier out there then there would be outrage (there usually is, especial due to the brutal way they tend to carry out these exacutions). yet when i british soldier or 3 murder an iraqi (out side of a combat situation where there is no danger to them) then it seems most people say "well they're soliders...its fine" which to me is shocking.

what is even worse is the fact that soldiers and the army seem to get used to emotionally manipulate people in to agreeing with far right groups like britain first. it sickens me when they use images of lee rigby even when the family have told them not to.

i respect the soldiers for what they do and they should be paid a more and they should have the right gear...that's a must, but God like status is a little bit too far in my eyes, and thats what they get from many corners.

His latest Sun column is embarrassing - suggesting that the players not wanting to play for England should ring the parents of a dead British soldier and explain their reasons for not wanting to play.

Cringeworthy, trying to compare football to being in the military.

All this military worship makes me cringe as well - I'm glad we've got armed forces to protect us but at the same time, this 'respect the soldiers/all soldiers are heroes' stuff gets embarrassing in my opinion.

I will say on the England front though, that if a player can't be bothered playing for his country, then do the decent thing, be honest and just retire from international duty...

you're getting a pasting here mate but im gonna stick my neck out and say i agree with you.

i have the utmost respect for the armed forces. let me just say that first.

but the way people treat them like gods make me cringe. it seems to give them a pass.

if an iraqi murders a soldier out there then there would be outrage (there usually is, especial due to the brutal way they tend to carry out these exacutions). yet when i british soldier or 3 murder an iraqi (out side of a combat situation where there is no danger to them) then it seems most people say "well they're soliders...its fine" which to me is shocking.

what is even worse is the fact that soldiers and the army seem to get used to emotionally manipulate people in to agreeing with far right groups like britain first. it sickens me when they use images of lee rigby even when the family have told them not to.

i respect the soldiers for what they do and they should be paid a more and they should have the right gear...that's a must, but God like status is a little bit too far in my eyes, and thats what they get from many corners.

You see - that's all I'm getting at - you've illustrated it perfectly.

Various people have jumped on the outrage bus and put 2 and 2 together and taken the view that I don't respect our armed forces at all, which is bollocks.

I just don't believe that being in the military automatically makes you a hero, and the media (and social media) seems to shove it down peoples' throats that if you don't see it the same way, you're somehow disrespecting the troops.

Which is what the majority of people seem to think here...

Anyway, I'm entitled to my opinion on this and it doesn't change. What I'm more interested in is what people make of Ian Wright's comments...

Two loony left fuckwits agree with one another. Hardly something to celebrate is it..?

Two loony left fuckwits agree with one another. Hardly something to celebrate is it..?

Coming from the most ridiculed man on this forum? f**k off, you clown...

Two loony left fuckwits agree with one another. Hardly something to celebrate is it..?

Coming from the most ridiculed man on this forum? f**k off, you clown...

yet I don't disrespect our armed forces. Thankfully there weren't many like you during the times when our freedom was at stake. I bet generations of your family would be turning in their grave by your comments so do us all a favour and f**k off yourself

Ian Wright is a f*cking wanker.

What's playing football and being in the military got to do with each other.

Why the f**k would a guy who's been getting shot at care if an over paid ponce doesn't want to represent England in a game. Does he think there on the same level of importance or something.

Should we all ring a soldier and explain why we can't be bothered to do something?

What a idiot.