' The Rebrand and everyone's reactions '

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It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them.
Capital of Wales, playing in the English leagues (uniqueness of the club)
Big City which is a tourist destination
Cardiff have won a major cup (1927) and had been in another FA cup final in more recent times
We had been pushing for promotion and although we couldn't take that last step, we were considered one of the championships big boys,
We had been to Wembley more times than any other club except Chelsea.
brand spanking, fresh new stadium

A lot of positives there, and yes, as I said, they would have had to do what Tan did, and front up some cash, but there was so much potential with the club, with a willing investor.
Now obviously, before anyone says it, I agree, nobody came forward until VT was brought on board. But how do we actually know what goes on behind the scenes? It's all conjecture, and we'll never know, just like we'll never know if we would have survived if Malky was left in charge.

We just need to accept that, we are in this situation, there will always be divided opinion, and that's fine, it's good for debate (until it gets personal/even violent)
The fans who want to wear blue, and hold up their flags at 19:27 should be allowed to do so without opposition, the ones who want to show they're grateful for Tan's investment despite the rebrand, should also be allowed to hold those views. Regardless of whether people agree or not. We aren't always going to agree, what we need to do though, despite whether you are for Tan or against him, is support Ole and the lads on the pitch. Thats why I go, that's why I sing, and that's what I love.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *breathe*!

Your spot on that anybody's thoughts and actions prior to the rebrand shouldn't be used against them with regards to their thoughts now

Your spot on that anybody's thoughts and actions prior to the rebrand shouldn't be used against them with regards to their thoughts now

Its a pathetic tactic used by some on here but it is what the cyber world allows them to get away with.

Your spot on that anybody's thoughts and actions prior to the rebrand shouldn't be used against them with regards to their thoughts now

Its a pathetic tactic used by some on here but it is what the cyber world allows them to get away with.

Completely agree. If I had been at that game, I'de have held that flag up too. I'm willing to welcome anyone to the club who is here to help us!

Top post

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them.
Capital of Wales, playing in the English leagues (uniqueness of the club)

The picture you paint is one of a divided club tans created it and its not right at all is it.
We as fans should be united and we're not for me tan has ruined us.
Big City which is a tourist destination
Cardiff have won a major cup (1927) and had been in another FA cup final in more recent times
We had been pushing for promotion and although we couldn't take that last step, we were considered one of the championships big boys,
We had been to Wembley more times than any other club except Chelsea.
brand spanking, fresh new stadium

A lot of positives there, and yes, as I said, they would have had to do what Tan did, and front up some cash, but there was so much potential with the club, with a willing investor.
Now obviously, before anyone says it, I agree, nobody came forward until VT was brought on board. But how do we actually know what goes on behind the scenes? It's all conjecture, and we'll never know, just like we'll never know if we would have survived if Malky was left in charge.

We just need to accept that, we are in this situation, there will always be divided opinion, and that's fine, it's good for debate (until it gets personal/even violent)
The fans who want to wear blue, and hold up their flags at 19:27 should be allowed to do so without opposition, the ones who want to show they're grateful for Tan's investment despite the rebrand, should also be allowed to hold those views. Regardless of whether people agree or not. We aren't always going to agree, what we need to do though, despite whether you are for Tan or against him, is support Ole and the lads on the pitch. Thats why I go, that's why I sing, and that's what I love.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *breathe*!

We are a divided club all tans doing and for that the mans a cock hes totally ruined Cardiff City fc

Agreed top post

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them.
Capital of Wales, playing in the English leagues (uniqueness of the club)
Big City which is a tourist destination
Cardiff have won a major cup (1927) and had been in another FA cup final in more recent times
We had been pushing for promotion and although we couldn't take that last step, we were considered one of the championships big boys,
We had been to Wembley more times than any other club except Chelsea.
brand spanking, fresh new stadium

A lot of positives there, and yes, as I said, they would have had to do what Tan did, and front up some cash, but there was so much potential with the club, with a willing investor.
Now obviously, before anyone says it, I agree, nobody came forward until VT was brought on board. But how do we actually know what goes on behind the scenes? It's all conjecture, and we'll never know, just like we'll never know if we would have survived if Malky was left in charge.

We just need to accept that, we are in this situation, there will always be divided opinion, and that's fine, it's good for debate (until it gets personal/even violent)
The fans who want to wear blue, and hold up their flags at 19:27 should be allowed to do so without opposition, the ones who want to show they're grateful for Tan's investment despite the rebrand, should also be allowed to hold those views. Regardless of whether people agree or not. We aren't always going to agree, what we need to do though, despite whether you are for Tan or against him, is support Ole and the lads on the pitch. Thats why I go, that's why I sing, and that's what I love.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *breathe*!

If Carlsberg did Posts!!!!!!!
Brilliant post.

To be as even-handed as possible, I think the rebrand was an experiment that simply didn't work.

Whatever you feel about the soul and history of the club, returning to
BLUE makes sense economically and would boost the fan base in my opinion this year. Not next year if we get promoted. This year when we could do with bums on seats!!

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them.
Capital of Wales, playing in the English leagues (uniqueness of the club)
Big City which is a tourist destination
Cardiff have won a major cup (1927) and had been in another FA cup final in more recent times
We had been pushing for promotion and although we couldn't take that last step, we were considered one of the championships big boys,
We had been to Wembley more times than any other club except Chelsea.
brand spanking, fresh new stadium

A lot of positives there, and yes, as I said, they would have had to do what Tan did, and front up some cash, but there was so much potential with the club, with a willing investor.
Now obviously, before anyone says it, I agree, nobody came forward until VT was brought on board. But how do we actually know what goes on behind the scenes? It's all conjecture, and we'll never know, just like we'll never know if we would have survived if Malky was left in charge.

We just need to accept that, we are in this situation, there will always be divided opinion, and that's fine, it's good for debate (until it gets personal/even violent)
The fans who want to wear blue, and hold up their flags at 19:27 should be allowed to do so without opposition, the ones who want to show they're grateful for Tan's investment despite the rebrand, should also be allowed to hold those views. Regardless of whether people agree or not. We aren't always going to agree, what we need to do though, despite whether you are for Tan or against him, is support Ole and the lads on the pitch. Thats why I go, that's why I sing, and that's what I love.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *breathe*!

james

why do people keep saying if tan had not come in someone else would have.
for the umpteenth time i was in court when we were facing a winding up order by the revenue. there was no one else and without that bank draft and letter of intent fron tan produced in court we would have disapeared off the face of the earth as a football league club.
thats the whole reason i gave tan the benefit of the doubt for a long time because he saved the club that day and there can be no dispute about that.
the rest of your post is on the money

It was just conjecture, my view of the club is that it should have already had the potential to attract a new owner/investors.
I still don't buy the Red or dead thing, as again, this came later.
Tan was heroic for what he did at the very beginning.

Unfortunately I don't know the full inside details, it's just to me, we should have a bright prospect of a club.

And ok, let's say there wasn't an immediate buyer, and when there was opposition to the rebrand, Tan actually went down the road of keeping his promise. He originally said he would walk away but leave us in good hands.
We are then openly asking for a new owner/major investor - would this not then have maybe attracted someone else? On paper, we are very marketable without being turned red

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them.
Capital of Wales, playing in the English leagues (uniqueness of the club)
Big City which is a tourist destination
Cardiff have won a major cup (1927) and had been in another FA cup final in more recent times
We had been pushing for promotion and although we couldn't take that last step, we were considered one of the championships big boys,
We had been to Wembley more times than any other club except Chelsea.
brand spanking, fresh new stadium

A lot of positives there, and yes, as I said, they would have had to do what Tan did, and front up some cash, but there was so much potential with the club, with a willing investor.
Now obviously, before anyone says it, I agree, nobody came forward until VT was brought on board. But how do we actually know what goes on behind the scenes? It's all conjecture, and we'll never know, just like we'll never know if we would have survived if Malky was left in charge.

We just need to accept that, we are in this situation, there will always be divided opinion, and that's fine, it's good for debate (until it gets personal/even violent)
The fans who want to wear blue, and hold up their flags at 19:27 should be allowed to do so without opposition, the ones who want to show they're grateful for Tan's investment despite the rebrand, should also be allowed to hold those views. Regardless of whether people agree or not. We aren't always going to agree, what we need to do though, despite whether you are for Tan or against him, is support Ole and the lads on the pitch. Thats why I go, that's why I sing, and that's what I love.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *breathe*!

james

why do people keep saying if tan had not come in someone else would have.
for the umpteenth time i was in court when we were facing a winding up order by the revenue. there was no one else and without that bank draft and letter of intent fron tan produced in court we would have disapeared off the face of the earth as a football league club.
thats the whole reason i gave tan the benefit of the doubt for a long time because he saved the club that day and there can be no dispute about that.
the rest of your post is on the money

It never gave tan the right to tear the club to bits though

Music to my ears !!!!!;-)

The fans aren't divided. It's a few fans that use MB's. The vast majority of fans don't care about what fans say on MB's.

People just want to see their team winning.

My priority for next season is the City winning games. Ideally I'd like to see them do it in blue, it's not going to happen though.

The fans aren't divided. It's a few fans that use MB's. The vast majority of fans don't care about what fans say on MB's.

People just want to see their team winning.

My priority for next season is the City winning games. Ideally I'd like to see them do it in blue, it's not going to happen though.

They are divided, i've seen it myself. Also you have posters such as Natman and troobloo (among others) who defend Tan regularly.

There was one guy I worked with who wanted to protest against BU, because he didnt mind the red and said that Tan was bringing us into the modern football era, and giving us success.

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them. :

....................................................................................................................................................................................I stopped reading your promising looking post at this point as you are factually incorrect.We WOULD have gone under and that is fact and a matter of public record.And at the time there was NO-ONE else either.The number of people on here who think that without Tan's intervention we would still be a club in business and playing in blue is mindboggling.Not saying I wanna be in red but lets get our facts right eh.

It was just conjecture, my view of the club is that it should have already had the potential to attract a new owner/investors.
I still don't buy the Red or dead thing, as again, this came later.
Tan was heroic for what he did at the very beginning.

Unfortunately I don't know the full inside details, it's just to me, we should have a bright prospect of a club.

And ok, let's say there wasn't an immediate buyer, and when there was opposition to the rebrand, Tan actually went down the road of keeping his promise. He originally said he would walk away but leave us in good hands.
We are then openly asking for a new owner/major investor - would this not then have maybe attracted someone else? On paper, we are very marketable without being turned red

and what about this? I've already said it was conjecture,

The fans aren't divided. It's a few fans that use MB's. The vast majority of fans don't care about what fans say on MB's.

People just want to see their team winning.

My priority for next season is the City winning games. Ideally I'd like to see them do it in blue, it's not going to happen though.

All I can say to that is you are deluded where have you been. As long as we win thats all that matters what bollocks sorry mate

This is probably the best, most common sense post I have ever read on this board. Have to say when I seen title I thought here we go again, but this is brilliant. Unfortunately there will be a few that will not agree.

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them. :

....................................................................................................................................................................................I stopped reading your promising looking post at this point as you are factually incorrect.We WOULD have gone under and that is fact and a matter of public record.And at the time there was NO-ONE else either.The number of people on here who think that without Tan's intervention we would still be a club in business and playing in blue is mindboggling.Not saying I wanna be in red but lets get our facts right eh.

don't let facts get in the way of yet another tan bashing thread,James c another one of annis's puppets

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them. :

....................................................................................................................................................................................I stopped reading your promising looking post at this point as you are factually incorrect.We WOULD have gone under and that is fact and a matter of public record.And at the time there was NO-ONE else either.The number of people on here who think that without Tan's intervention we would still be a club in business and playing in blue is mindboggling.Not saying I wanna be in red but lets get our facts right eh.

don't let facts get in the way of yet another tan bashing thread,James c another one of annis's puppets

Hardly, read the post... I defend anyone who supports the red/Tan to be allowed to hold that view, as it is their own. Just because the view is different to mine, doesn't mean they can't have it.

And this isn't a Tan bashing thread at all.

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them.
Capital of Wales, playing in the English leagues (uniqueness of the club)

The picture you paint is one of a divided club tans created it and its not right at all is it.
We as fans should be united and we're not for me tan has ruined us.
Big City which is a tourist destination
Cardiff have won a major cup (1927) and had been in another FA cup final in more recent times
We had been pushing for promotion and although we couldn't take that last step, we were considered one of the championships big boys,
We had been to Wembley more times than any other club except Chelsea.
brand spanking, fresh new stadium

A lot of positives there, and yes, as I said, they would have had to do what Tan did, and front up some cash, but there was so much potential with the club, with a willing investor.
Now obviously, before anyone says it, I agree, nobody came forward until VT was brought on board. But how do we actually know what goes on behind the scenes? It's all conjecture, and we'll never know, just like we'll never know if we would have survived if Malky was left in charge.

We just need to accept that, we are in this situation, there will always be divided opinion, and that's fine, it's good for debate (until it gets personal/even violent)
The fans who want to wear blue, and hold up their flags at 19:27 should be allowed to do so without opposition, the ones who want to show they're grateful for Tan's investment despite the rebrand, should also be allowed to hold those views. Regardless of whether people agree or not. We aren't always going to agree, what we need to do though, despite whether you are for Tan or against him, is support Ole and the lads on the pitch. Thats why I go, that's why I sing, and that's what I love.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand *breathe*!

We are a divided club all tans doing and for that the mans a cock hes totally ruined Cardiff City fc

brickyblues got it spot on,THE PICTURE YOU PAINT IS OF A DIVIDED CLUB TAN HAS CREATED.You've done it subtly so credit to you for pulling the wool over some peoples eyes,but not me

To be as even-handed as possible, I think the rebrand was an experiment that simply didn't work.

Whatever you feel about the soul and history of the club, returning to
BLUE makes sense economically and would boost the fan base in my opinion this year. Not next year if we get promoted. This year when we could do with bums on seats!!

Can't argue with that, TBF

main arguement now seems to be divided fans? yes divided about manager, divided about the players, divided about need for new stand, ect ect can go on as they say cant please all of the people all of the time!

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them. :

....................................................................................................................................................................................I stopped reading your promising looking post at this point as you are factually incorrect.We WOULD have gone under and that is fact and a matter of public record.And at the time there was NO-ONE else either.The number of people on here who think that without Tan's intervention we would still be a club in business and playing in blue is mindboggling.Not saying I wanna be in red but lets get our facts right eh.

spot on.........

The fans aren't divided. It's a few fans that use MB's. The vast majority of fans don't care about what fans say on MB's.

People just want to see their team winning.

My priority for next season is the City winning games. Ideally I'd like to see them do it in blue, it's not going to happen though.

You are right

To be as even-handed as possible, I think the rebrand was an experiment that simply didn't work.

Whatever you feel about the soul and history of the club, returning to
BLUE makes sense economically and would boost the fan base in my opinion this year. Not next year if we get promoted. This year when we could do with bums on seats!!

Can't argue with that, TBF

agree too......the question is why are we still red?...........and to me this is the biggest if not only divide among our fans,although certain people want an imaginary enemy to get all worked up about..
my belief is to protest simply by buying blue..and not buy official merchandise...this allows our own to make a purely business decision.............the other opinion is of course offend him until he leaves............

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=142837

It seems some people forget that Tan was welcomed as a saviour to the club, at the beginning.
We were in blue, and he paid the bills, and funded a new squad (cheap, but funded by him)

This is all Before the rebrand idea was released. So I think bringing old photos out of fans with the Malaysian flag is talken out of context to "fit an agenda" (as people here like to say)

My personal belief is that if Tan hadn't come in, we wouldn't have gone under, because the club was already a promising prospect for someone with a few quid about them. :

....................................................................................................................................................................................I stopped reading your promising looking post at this point as you are factually incorrect.We WOULD have gone under and that is fact and a matter of public record.And at the time there was NO-ONE else either.The number of people on here who think that without Tan's intervention we would still be a club in business and playing in blue is mindboggling.Not saying I wanna be in red but lets get our facts right eh.

don't let facts get in the way of yet another tan bashing thread,James c another one of annis's puppets

Hardly, read the post... I defend anyone who supports the red/Tan to be allowed to hold that view, as it is their own. Just because the view is different to mine, doesn't mean they can't have it.

And this isn't a Tan bashing thread at all.

the flag photos etc are being posted to remind people with short memories of what happened...........i hate red..and the truth is i felt i should be doing something and didnt...........many will tell you that they DID..........the reality is most stood back and allowed it..encouraged it even.............i remember very clearly what happened,and for those early days of red there was no visible resistence to it...........WE as a fan base accepted the silver..thats the truth............personally i didnt think we should have..but am man enough to admit as a group we did.............Tan offered to withdraw, and was coaxed not too........

To be as even-handed as possible, I think the rebrand was an experiment that simply didn't work.

Whatever you feel about the soul and history of the club, returning to
BLUE makes sense economically and would boost the fan base in my opinion this year. Not next year if we get promoted. This year when we could do with bums on seats!!

Can't argue with that, TBF

agree too......the question is why are we still red?...........and to me this is the biggest if not only divide among our fans,although certain people want an imaginary enemy to get all worked up about..
my belief is to protest simply by buying blue..and not buy official merchandise...this allows our own to make a purely business decision.............the other opinion is of course offend him until he leaves............

Simon, as you pointed out, probably the only divide exists because of the rebrand. We may all have opinions about debt etc but to return to BLUE makes sense and will reunite the fans.

Cardiff fans have always been divided.....valleys boys, dock boys etc......never have CCFC fans been united