If you had a choice...

A) Between VT pumping more money in next season for another promotion push.

Or

B) Making it so uncomfortable for him that he would have no choice other than leave, getting the blue back but spending a few years in the lower leagues while the club recovers...

What would you choose?

I suspect that there's still a (less vocal) majority that would take option A... and that's a really sad state of affairs!

A!

Quite happy to rack up more debt then are we?

Quite happy to rack up more debt then are we?

Whats the point in giving options then immediately jump on someone that chooses the option you dont agree with. That is why there is a silent majority!!

how the fuk do you no, we'd float around in the lower leagues for a few seasons if tan up and fuked off? We ain't talking about a few million owed to tan... Its 160 odd million, maybe more, and he's going to want it back, so either he finds another buyer who's willing to pay that amount, or close to that amount (which ain't gunna happen) or he strips our club down to the bones.. And if he does that, there will be fukall left of our club, we would probably end up going to the wall! Would the English fa even let us form back in the English pyramid if that happens? While there's a realistic chance of us going the way of rangers if tan fuks off, then there's always going to be Cardiff fans who are concerned about tan fuking off and leaving us in the sht. At the end of the day, no one really knows what will happen to our club if tan decides to call the it a day, and that's why so many fans are stuck in to minds, and don't know what to think. By the way, are you even a Cardiff fan? Or are you a jack sticking your nose in where it don't concern you?

Some voice of reason you are.Anybody who's supported the club for any length of time(me 40yrs) will know that we were always with one foot in the financial grave,then with city about to be liquidated in steps Tan and saves us.I know like many others on here you prefer to lap up the bullshit stories on here but that is fact and a matter of record should you be interested in actually finding out for sure.The other popular fairy story on here is that we could go into administration until we clear our debts and live as a skint but proper football club wiv proper hard supporters.This is just more bullshit peddled by ignoramuses as there is no admin for clubs with our debt,only oblivion.In short the choice B that you posted does not exist,it is complete and utter rubbish.And before you call me a Tan apologist I'm all for back to blue it just saddens me that those that call themselves real supporters and back to blue at any cost will disappear up their own arse when someone says."right boys well done for getting rid of Tan now we need to pay this hefty tax bill ""whats that you say sell our best players and live happily ever after in the conference?"But Tans already done that and if the tax man doesn't get his 10 mill wedge by next monday he's gonna wind us up.But I suppose thats when the great and the good on here reveal their master plan for survival.And believe me they'll need one or they themselves could go from hero's to zero's in a short space of time.

How many clubs have gone through the same in recent years? The answer is lots.

How many have gone to the wall? A few smaller clubs maybe but none, of the same relevant size and stature of CCFC.

It's been done before many times but my point is you and your ilk would rather the easy option of sticking it out (and bending over for Tan) hoping that you're gonna be a bit luckier with the next billionaire that might come along...

[quote="thevoiceofreason"]How many clubs have gone through the same in recent years? The answer is lots.

How many have gone to the wall? A few smaller clubs maybe but none, of the same relevant size and stature of CCFC.

It's been done before many times but my point is you and your ilk would rather the easy option of sticking it out (and bending over for Tan) hoping that you're gonna be a bit luckier with the next billionaire that might come along...[/quote
So your a jack then? A fuking jack trying to take the moral high ground lol check your own clubs history pal, before you try and preach to us.if or when we ever go into administration, then I'll make sure to come and seek your advise. You'd have sold your own mothers to get out of trouble when you looked like going to the wall. You got lucky. Fair play. Have a nice day

I know the history of my club thank you very much. I was there on the day we nearly went out of the league... I was there the week before at Rochdale and I was there for every home game that season and many seasons before that.

Do you know how we got out of trouble?... Once Petty (the f@cking w@nker) disappeared we all pulled in the same direction and that makes where we are today even sweeter.

We had Petty and you have Tan.

I know the history of my club thank you very much. I was there on the day we nearly went out of the league... I was there the week before at Rochdale and I was there for every home game that season and many seasons before that.

Do you know how we got out of trouble?... Once Petty (the f@cking w@nker) disappeared we all pulled in the same direction and that makes where we are today even sweeter.

We had Petty and you have Tan.

Before anyone mentions it, I realise comparing Tan and Petty is a bit farcical. You can hardly compare the two really can you...
















Petty was no lunatic.

Asks a question and belittles one of the answers he offers.
And as soon as someone replies he jumps down their throat.





Nice to see this isn't a Wum then.

Not a WUM, just a concerned citizen. I didn't jump down anyones throat, I was asking a genuine question as to whether he was happy adding to the debt level.

A) Between VT pumping more money in next season for another promotion push.

Or

B) Making it so uncomfortable for him that he would have no choice other than leave, getting the blue back but spending a few years in the lower leagues while the club recovers...

What would you choose?

I suspect that there's still a (less vocal) majority that would take option A... and that's a really sad state of affairs!

A for me every time!. Lower leagues is for losers! I pay my money to watch football. I let the money men worry about the financial affairs

A!

No concern for the long term future of CCFC then?

A!

No concern for the long term future of CCFC then?

been away for a few weeks and you've still not learnt any English. Where does it say debt in point a?

been away for a few weeks and you've still not learnt any English. Where does it say debt in point a?

Are you really implying that Tan pouring more money in wouldn't accrue more debt?!

been away for a few weeks and you've still not learnt any English. Where does it say debt in point a?

Are you really implying that Tan pouring more money in wouldn't accrue more debt?!

debt to equity?

been away for a few weeks and you've still not learnt any English. Where does it say debt in point a?

Are you really implying that Tan pouring more money in wouldn't accrue more debt?!

debt to equity?

Is something Tan has lied about....

But back to the question.... Are you really implying that Tan loaning the club more money wouldn't accrue more debt for the club?!

see you can't read sven's posts either. Not a lie and neither has he ever lied and in fact he's kept every other promise. He's was also on the money about tan and Moody.

see you can't read sven's posts either. Not a lie and neither has he ever lied and in fact he's kept every other promise. He's was also on the money about tan and Moody.

"Every other promise" meaning not all of them, which means he's a bit of a fibber.

No answer for my question about Tan putting more money in meaning more debt?

no "every other" means I expect that one to be fulfilled, it's just a matter of time

no "every other" means I expect that one to be fulfilled, it's just a matter of time

He's said he's not going to. Keep up at the back.

Again, no answer for my question? Funny, considering you pestered Annis for days when he didn't answer one of your questions ....

no "every other" means I expect that one to be fulfilled, it's just a matter of time

He's said he's not going to. Keep up at the back.

Again, no answer for my question? Funny, considering you pestered Annis for days when he didn't answer one of your questions ....

No, he hasn't said he won't.

I think you'll find I've answered your question but your lack on understanding of the English language means one again you've failed to read it. Now stop stalking me pmsl

No, he hasn't said he won't.

yes he has. He said it in a Wales Online interview. Maybe it's you that cannot understand English?

I think you'll find I've answered your question but your lack on understanding of the English language means one again you've failed to read it. Now stop stalking me pmsl

no you haven't. You posted something totally unconnected to my question. It's a simple question....

oh chuckles

That's always your answer when you are stuck.

Just for you... Here's the piece in WO confirming that he won't be transferring all his debt into equity....

What about your loans into the club? Will you change those into equity?

THE total amount of money I have put in now is £150m.

I have agreed to convert £50m of my total investment into equity. There will be £100m debt remaining.

The club will still owe me £100m, of course, and every month I am still putting money in.

All the money I have put in and am putting in is interest free.

I did not charge the club any interest.

Over the last few years I have cancelled all interest. It’s all interest free.

The club only owes me, nobody else.

I cannot put the whole £150m into equity.

So your suggestion that he should pour more money in for another promotion push would definitely accrue the club more debt...

So I ask again, aren't you concerned for the long term health of CCFC? Or are you happy for short term success and big debts in the future?

I understand everyone's point of view here, but the truth behind the matter is that if tan up sticks and leaves our club would be in administration before the start of the season. I know all the 'hardcore fans' have said they wouldn't mind play mediocre football in the lower leagues if it meant tan out. But for me I have no better feeling than watching Cardiff winning a game on the weekend, and actually fighting for something. That's why I am happy to be in the championship again, and I know we hardly won in the prem but the quality of football was good to see! I would like to return there at some point but not by accruing more debt to get it done. But to answer the O.P without a doubt it I would choose A because I would hate our club to go down the drain for some fans who want to show how awesome they are because they hate red more than everyone else.

To say alternative A is about acquiring more dept is silly. It is about turning the sales into investment in new players. And a more reasonable wage structure and buying players with profit. That is what the club is trying to do, and it is not to get more dept. Remember he could easily say some of that money need to pay down the dept.
IF you are trying to say Tan has said he is not to put the dept to equity, then i suggest a direct quote of that should be more appropriate. Everyone understand he can not put all 150 mill to equity now and in one bulk. Circumstances has changed for him to do that. Further to suggest by voting A you are not supporting the clubs heritage is nonsense! I rather Tan did something to change the problems we are in (including club color) and sold the club back on track, than to get someone else in to sort out another mans mess. Then we could be in even more shit!

B obviously.

Not a WUM, just a concerned citizen. I didn't jump down anyones throat, I was asking a genuine question as to whether he was happy adding to the debt level.

Very first response you jumped down his throat because he choose A. The first and same option you belittled.

So it's clearly not a choice, it's just a platform for you to berate other people's opinions.

So sorry but your a WUM plain and simple.