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" IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:02 pm

If Malky Mackay is guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Cardiff City Football Club then I have lost a huge amount of respect for Malky Mackay.

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The Daily Mail have been virtually spot on with their articles concerning Cardiff City this season and if it is true what they are reporting that Malky Mackay did not receive any pay off in the settlement then along with the apology he issued it doesn't paint Malky in a very good light.

The Daily Mail article : Friday 9th May 2014.

Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.

Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.

Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.

Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.

Mackay’s statement, released through Slater & Gordon Lawyers, reads: 'Today I have reached a settlement agreement dropping all claims I have made against Cardiff City Football Club. I did not want to be in litigation and believe that it is in the best interests of all parties to have a clean break and move on.

Mackay is understood to be one of the names being considered by Norwich, West Ham and West Bromwich Albion should they change managers soon.

The statement continued: 'I have enjoyed my time at Cardiff City and I am most grateful to the board of Cardiff City and Vincent Tan for giving me the opportunity. The club's owner Mr Vincent Tan invested heavily in the club and supported our decisions in our push for promotion to the Premier League. Without him this would not have been possible.

'My thanks to all those at the club and the fans who have supported me during my time in Wales. If I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation.

'I wish everyone associated with Cardiff City FC all the best for the future and thank them for their support.

'I will not be commenting further on this matter.'

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:05 pm

The truth will come out. This is the football world and its full of wagging tongues

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:07 pm

Yes.

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:08 pm

Looks like tan may be proved right after all ;)

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:09 pm

thomasblue wrote:Looks like tan may be proved right after all ;)

Tan is packing his bags and so is Ole. Bookmark it :thumbup:

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:10 pm

Will probably be named Norwich boss in the next few days and the case was holding it up.

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:11 pm

carlccfc wrote:If Malky Mackay is guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Cardiff City Football Club then I have lost a huge amount of respect for Malky Mackay.

The Daily Mail have been virtually spot on with their articles concerning Cardiff City this season and if it is true what they are reporting that Malky Mackay did not receive any pay off in the settlement then along with the apology he issued it doesn't paint Malky in a very good light.

The Daily Mail article :

Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.

Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.

Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.

Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.

Mackay’s statement, released through Slater & Gordon Lawyers, reads: 'Today I have reached a settlement agreement dropping all claims I have made against Cardiff City Football Club. I did not want to be in litigation and believe that it is in the best interests of all parties to have a clean break and move on.

Mackay is understood to be one of the names being considered by Norwich, West Ham and West Bromwich Albion should they change managers soon.

The statement continued: 'I have enjoyed my time at Cardiff City and I am most grateful to the board of Cardiff City and Vincent Tan for giving me the opportunity. The club's owner Mr Vincent Tan invested heavily in the club and supported our decisions in our push for promotion to the Premier League. Without him this would not have been possible.

'My thanks to all those at the club and the fans who have supported me during my time in Wales. If I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation.

'I wish everyone associated with Cardiff City FC all the best for the future and thank them for their support.

'I will not be commenting further on this matter.'

Oh come on Carl, you must understand how this kind of thing works, you cant really believe Malky being in the wrong is the reason for this statement.

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:13 pm

Google "Settlement Agreement" Carl and then put this Dail Mail claim in the bullshit box.

I'm not saying MM was perfect but the club has negotiated a "Settlement Agreement" with both MM and IM and as the terms will be covered by a confidentiality clause we will never get to know the full details.

But I would bet my bottom dollar that both MM & IM have, as a minimum, been paid thier contractual notice periods plus an "Ex Gratia" payment to make this stuff go away.


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Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:13 pm

Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:14 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?



Spot on.



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Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:14 pm

Tan said debt to equity would happen when legal dispute was settled. Surely Tan will stick to his word this time?

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:15 pm

The apology statement proves a lot about the man, how anyone can respect him after that I don't know.

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:16 pm

where is the list of ex managers that have made an apology while dropping a law suit.????????

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:18 pm

Ive been saying for weeks that if this issue went to court then people would change their minds very quickly on Malky. It wasnt guesswork.

Malky has been trying to settle out of court for a fair few weeks and Tan had point blank refused. Im more intrigued now as to why he accepted. Maybe a touch of humilty, if it went to court, the club, Malky and Moody would have been dragged through the mud with The latter two lucky if they would still been involved in football.

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:20 pm

castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?



Spot on.



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Also Gary, if Malky is guilty then Tan would bring the football authorities in to it and Malky would never be involved again in football. Malky is now able to manage where he wants.

But I cant understand why Malky had no pay off, that worries me a bit.

Re: " IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:20 pm

No matter how much its twisted by some posters the bottom line is malky is the one whose apologised to mr Tan. if Tan had apologised to malky there would be no end of threads saying tan lost was in the wrong because he would not have apologised otherwise...

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:23 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?

Tan has not covered himself in glory and has probably shot himself in the foot with the manner in which he sacked Malky etc, it's more a you've done a bad thing so if I've done a bad thing, we'll forget about it. Malky has done wrong-doing as has Tan, no doubt

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:23 pm

castleblue wrote:Google "Settlement Agreement" Carl and then put this Dail Mail claim in the bullshit box.

I'm not saying MM was perfect but the club has negotiated a "Settlement Agreement" with both MM and IM and as the terms will be covered by a confidentiality clause we will never get to know the full details.

But I would bet my bottom dollar that both MM & IM have, as a minimum, been paid thier contractual notice periods plus an "Ex Gratia" payment to make this stuff go away.


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Ive been involved in numerous settlement agreement through my work and they can contain anything as long as both sides agree. Money isnt an issue.

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:24 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?



Spot on.



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Also Gary, if Malky is guilty then Tan would bring the football authorities in to it and Malky would never be involved again in football. Malky is now able to manage where he wants.

But I cant understand why Malky had no pay off, that worries me a bit.


Annis you know yourself that you can know someone is guilty maybe have evidence but that don't mean you have enough to win in court.. You then settle it in other ways. I have witnessed similar situations in the workplace over the years.. :thumbright:

Re: " IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:26 pm

its all conjecture of course

but if there is any truth in the daily mail article that malky hasnt been paid off , paid his own legal fees and then issued an apology aswell , it looks to me that malky is the villain and he had to toe the line otherwise the truth would come out if he continued his lawsuit against the club

just another day in the soap opera that is cardif city football club :bluescarf:

Re: " IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:26 pm

Lol. If there really was no payout and the Mail are reporting it, that would mean someone has broken the confidentiality agreement (and Malky would presumably be free to retort).

If the Mail have made it up, then Malky won't be able to comment on it because of the confidentiality agreement.

Well played the Mail, well played.

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:27 pm

Jinks wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?



Spot on.



:bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Also Gary, if Malky is guilty then Tan would bring the football authorities in to it and Malky would never be involved again in football. Malky is now able to manage where he wants.

But I cant understand why Malky had no pay off, that worries me a bit.


Annis you know yourself that you can know someone is guilty maybe have evidence but that don't mean you have enough to win in court.. You then settle it in other ways. I have witnessed similar situations in the workplace over the years.. :thumbright:



Jinks, of course I now have my doubts regarding Malky, if I was wrong about him, then I will hold my hands up :thumbup:

Re: " IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:34 pm

anything can happen in a court of law.......both sides risk a loss no matter how strong the evidence.......Malky dropped this, it really does suggest Tan had abit more than a few poor transfer decisions on him.......be honest all managers make poor decisions,often and at most clubs.....and those who make a lot tend to get sacked with a financial settlement......not no cash and throw in an apology...

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:38 pm

Having studied several legal cases in regards to technology companies, notably the SCO vs IBM case, this is the exact type of thing a party would do if they were to save face and avoid further damaging of their reputation.

Any respect I still had for Malky is gone. If he was in the right he'd continue to pursue this and be willing to drag out everything in the public for people to see he was in the right. The fact he's settled is telling.

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Fri May 09, 2014 5:40 pm

Doesent everyone always keep saying The Mail are spot on concerning Cardiff City news. I hope this thread doesent turn into another slagging fest concerning both Malky and Tan

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:42 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Carl, Ive always said the same, if Malky is guilty of fraud/stealing from our club then I would lose all respect for him.

But I have to say surely if he was, Tan hates Malky so much, Tan would of had Malky arrested ASAP?



Spot on.



:bluescarf: :bluescarf:


Also Gary, if Malky is guilty then Tan would bring the football authorities in to it and Malky would never be involved again in football. Malky is now able to manage where he wants.

But I cant understand why Malky had no pay off, that worries me a bit.


Annis believe MM has received a payment and that is part of the "Settlement Agreement". Remember the "Forensic Accountants" statement from VT and his cronies but he still ultimately reached agreement with Langstone and I bet that was way higher than the £10m that PR negotiated with SH.

Reporting Moody to the PL for alledgedly sending a few text messages tells you everything about VT and if he had anything on MM or IM then he would have never agreed any settlement. If there was an ounce of truth in half of what has been said about MM and IM transfer deals the footballing authorities would have been informed.

It's the oldest trick in the book to cover this type of agreement in confidentiality clauses so that details remain private and that's what the club is doing here.

If MM had decided to just drop his claims he would have said just that but he hasn't he has said he has dropped his claims after reaching a "Settlement Agreement" and this If's, But's or maybe apology is bullshit that, in my opinion, VT needed in place to muddy the waters.


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Re: " IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:43 pm

Dylanthomas wrote:Doesent everyone always keep saying The Mail are spot on concerning Cardiff City news. I hope this thread doesent turn into another slagging fest concerning both Malky and Tan


I do Dylan and thats what worries me.

Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:44 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:
castleblue wrote:Google "Settlement Agreement" Carl and then put this Dail Mail claim in the bullshit box.

I'm not saying MM was perfect but the club has negotiated a "Settlement Agreement" with both MM and IM and as the terms will be covered by a confidentiality clause we will never get to know the full details.

But I would bet my bottom dollar that both MM & IM have, as a minimum, been paid thier contractual notice periods plus an "Ex Gratia" payment to make this stuff go away.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Ive been involved in numerous settlement agreement through my work and they can contain anything as long as both sides agree. Money isnt an issue.


Are you saying that money doesn't form part of the agreement.

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Re: IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING

Fri May 09, 2014 5:48 pm

scott_w_ccfc wrote:
carlccfc wrote:If Malky Mackay is guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Cardiff City Football Club then I have lost a huge amount of respect for Malky Mackay.

The Daily Mail have been virtually spot on with their articles concerning Cardiff City this season and if it is true what they are reporting that Malky Mackay did not receive any pay off in the settlement then along with the apology he issued it doesn't paint Malky in a very good light.

The Daily Mail article :

Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay has dropped his legal claim against the club after reaching a settlement on his sacking.

Mackay was dismissed in December after a difference of opinion with owner Vincent Tan about the direction of the club.

Sportsmail understands Mackay hasn't received any compensation and paid own legal fees, in addition to issuing apology.

Tan has since criticised Mackay’s efforts in preparing the side for the Premier League, but the Scot issued a conciliatory statement through lawyers today in which he apologised 'without reservation' to the Malaysian businessman.

Mackay’s statement, released through Slater & Gordon Lawyers, reads: 'Today I have reached a settlement agreement dropping all claims I have made against Cardiff City Football Club. I did not want to be in litigation and believe that it is in the best interests of all parties to have a clean break and move on.

Mackay is understood to be one of the names being considered by Norwich, West Ham and West Bromwich Albion should they change managers soon.

The statement continued: 'I have enjoyed my time at Cardiff City and I am most grateful to the board of Cardiff City and Vincent Tan for giving me the opportunity. The club's owner Mr Vincent Tan invested heavily in the club and supported our decisions in our push for promotion to the Premier League. Without him this would not have been possible.

'My thanks to all those at the club and the fans who have supported me during my time in Wales. If I have caused any offence to anyone during this time, especially to Vincent Tan, then I apologise without reservation.

'I wish everyone associated with Cardiff City FC all the best for the future and thank them for their support.

'I will not be commenting further on this matter.'

Oh come on Carl, you must understand how this kind of thing works, you cant really believe Malky being in the wrong is the reason for this statement.

why not...???

Re: " IF HE IS GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING "

Fri May 09, 2014 5:49 pm

I dont see anyway in which Malky comes out of this. The apology stinks of desperation and I cant believe he would have done that just for the hell of it.

The mail have been spot on with everything all season so I dont see why anyone would doubt them now.