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Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:11 pm

We slag reffs off yet we don't know the rules!!!!
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Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:15 pm

He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:23 pm

Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:40 pm

blue lagoon wrote:We slag reffs off yet we don't know the rules!!!!


Agree , hope that decision is not used as an excuse . Simply not good enough again

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:49 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


No he wasent within his rights at all. The law states that you have a few seconds to stop play. He took over 8 seconds. So not such a great call as you are saying.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:50 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


No he wasent within his rights at all. The law states that you have a few seconds to stop play. He took over 8 seconds. So not such a great call as you are saying.


It was a superb decision.

Anything else would have been unjust he was through on goal and the foul forced him wide.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:54 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


No he wasent within his rights at all. The law states that you have a few seconds to stop play. He took over 8 seconds. So not such a great call as you are saying.


It was a superb decision.

Anything else would have been unjust he was through on goal and the foul forced him wide.[

Yes he was through on goal but he let the advantage go on for too long. The law states a few seconds. So yeh well done.. superb decision :roll:

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:57 pm

The law stipulates that the ref exercises discretion - which in this case it was to see if he knocked it into the net. He didnt.

Penalty.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:59 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:The law stipulates that the ref exercises discretion - which in this case it was to see if he knocked it into the net. He didnt.

Penalty.


Correct .. but you cant let play go on for as long as he did. Do you not get what im saying?

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:03 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:The law stipulates that the ref exercises discretion - which in this case it was to see if he knocked it into the net. He didnt.

Penalty.


Correct .. but you cant let play go on for as long as he did. Do you not get what im saying?


But you can, it is all on its individual merits. Its not like another play developed.

The rule is brought in to help the fouled player not the guilty player. If he didnt bring that back then it would have clearly been a great help to Cala and not the sinned against Wickham who was through on goal.

It took longer than usual because Cala's foul forced Wickham wide.

The ref was helping Cala out, if he had stuck it in the back of the net then Cala stays on the field.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:09 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:The law stipulates that the ref exercises discretion - which in this case it was to see if he knocked it into the net. He didnt.

Penalty.


Correct .. but you cant let play go on for as long as he did. Do you not get what im saying?


But you can, it is all on its individual merits. Its not like another play developed.

The rule is brought in to help the fouled player not the guilty player. If he didnt bring that back then it would have clearly been a great help to Cala and not the sinned against Wickham who was through on goal.

It took longer than usual because Cala's foul forced Wickham wide.

The ref was helping Cala out, if he had stuck it in the back of the net then Cala stays on the field.


Sorry bud but nope.. Just re read the fifa rules and it doesnt state that at all. He has several seconds to pull back play

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:12 pm

The referees are ordered to use discretion for the benefit of the game.

He did that. Anything other than pulling that back after seeing if an advantage developed would have been a farce.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:14 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:The referees are ordered to use discretion for the benefit of the game.

He did that. Anything other than pulling that back after seeing if an advantage developed would have been a farce.


He messed up plain and simple.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:15 pm

Unfortunately it was a penalty in my eyes :( He fowls him outside, but doesn't let go in time meaning he is still pulling back when he enters the penalty area. The advantage is played and had he scored, I think Cala would have stayed on the field....But he was right to send him off. He was the last man. I think most defenders would have done the same really.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:16 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:The referees are ordered to use discretion for the benefit of the game.

He did that. Anything other than pulling that back after seeing if an advantage developed would have been a farce.


He messed up plain and simple.


It was the best bit of refereeing ive seen for a long time and he is now rightly getting the plaudits.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:18 pm

mr moose wrote:Unfortunately it was a penalty in my eyes :( He fowls him outside, but doesn't let go in time meaning he is still pulling back when he enters the penalty area. The advantage is played and had he scored, I think Cala would have stayed on the field....But he was right to send him off. He was the last man. I think most defenders would have done the same really.


Yeh it was a penalty as he held him inside the box too. But he played the advantage for to long. Why cant people see that? lol.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:20 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:The referees are ordered to use discretion for the benefit of the game.

He did that. Anything other than pulling that back after seeing if an advantage developed would have been a farce.


He messed up plain and simple.


It was the best bit of refereeing ive seen for a long time and he is now rightly getting the plaudits.


Ok. so if the referee can over ride the rules for the discretion of the game :? why then when they make a mistake and send the wrong person off cant they call that player back onto the pitch and send the correct player off? Because rules are rules.. thats why.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:20 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Yeh it was a penalty as he held him inside the box too. But he played the advantage for to long. Why cant people see that? lol.


Because it wasn't too long. :?

It was seconds after the foul to see if he would have scored anyway, the foul made the shot near impossible so when it was blocked he gave the pen.

In the interests of the game it was the correct decision. He gave every chance in the interests of the game to keep it at 11 v 11.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:22 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Ok. so if the referee can over ride the rules for the discretion of the game :? why then when they make a mistake and send the wrong person off cant they call that player back onto the pitch and send the correct player off? Because rules are rules.. thats why.


I have no idea, i didnt know they couldnt.

The "couple of seconds" is a vague term and not a stern rule, if it was then it would give an exact figure and not "a couple" or "a few" - discretion is key as every situation is different. Hence why this one was longer as he took longer to shoot.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:26 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Joe40 wrote:
Ok. so if the referee can over ride the rules for the discretion of the game :? why then when they make a mistake and send the wrong person off cant they call that player back onto the pitch and send the correct player off? Because rules are rules.. thats why.


I have no idea, i didnt know they couldnt.

The "couple of seconds" is a vague term and not a stern rule, if it was then it would give an exact figure and not "a couple" or "a few" - discretion is key as every situation is different. Hence why this one was longer as he took longer to shoot.



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Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:28 pm

I take it you now agree but using smileys to not admit it. :roll:

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:30 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


You either give the penalty straight away or you don't. He had his chance and fluffed it, advantage over. It's like he said go on I'll give you the chance to score, if you don't it's alright you can have a second bite of the cherry and have a penatly.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:36 pm

GotMeSingingTheBlues wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


You either give the penalty straight away or you don't. He had his chance and fluffed it, advantage over. It's like he said go on I'll give you the chance to score, if you don't it's alright you can have a second bite of the cherry and have a penatly.


Nonsense, thats exactly what "advantage" is. You play on to see if there is any.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:51 pm

GotMeSingingTheBlues wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


You either give the penalty straight away or you don't. He had his chance and fluffed it, advantage over. It's like he said go on I'll give you the chance to score, if you don't it's alright you can have a second bite of the cherry and have a penatly.


Exactly. Advantage over. You cant just change the rules of the game lol

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:52 pm

Joe40 wrote:
GotMeSingingTheBlues wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:He gave advantage though and play continued and Wickham had his chance.


He is perfectly within his rights to call it back for a penalty.

You say "he had his chance" - but the foul made his chance so much harder. If he stuck it away then all is good, if he didnt then its only fair to bring it back for the foul.

By waving advantage he gave Cala a chance to stay on the field, and of course that sort of refereeing can help eliminate diving.

He was spot on as i said at the time.


You either give the penalty straight away or you don't. He had his chance and fluffed it, advantage over. It's like he said go on I'll give you the chance to score, if you don't it's alright you can have a second bite of the cherry and have a penat

Exactly. Advantage over. You cant just change the rules of the game lol


Roath magic is having trouble grasping the advantage rule.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:57 pm

Yep advantage over - penalty. :roll:

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:01 pm

Roath_Magic_ wrote:Yep advantage over - penalty. :roll:


FIFA RULES . Penalise the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not develop or continue over the next SEVERAL SECONDS.

Notice how I typed several seconds in capitals. He took longer than several seconds to blow up. Do you get it yet?

Now show me where in the rules it says what your on about.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Yep advantage over - penalty. :roll:


FIFA RULES . Penalise the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not develop or continue over the next SEVERAL SECONDS.

Notice how I typed several seconds in capitals. He took longer than several seconds to blow up. Do you get it yet?

Now show me where in the rules it says what your on about.


So how many is several then? :roll:

The advantage rule and the time implemented is completely down to discretion. One refs "several" is a different number to another refs "several".

They dont state an actual figure for a reason, the reason being each play will differ. This one took longer than usual as calas foul forced Wickham wide.
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Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Yep advantage over - penalty. :roll:


FIFA RULES . Penalise the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not develop or continue over the next SEVERAL SECONDS.

Notice how I typed several seconds in capitals. He took longer than several seconds to blow up. Do you get it yet?

Now show me where in the rules it says what your on about.




FIFA RULES.. The decision to penalise the offence must be taken within the next few seconds.

Re: Penalty law of the game

Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:09 pm

Joe40 wrote:
Joe40 wrote:
Roath_Magic_ wrote:Yep advantage over - penalty. :roll:


FIFA RULES . Penalise the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not develop or continue over the next SEVERAL SECONDS.

Notice how I typed several seconds in capitals. He took longer than several seconds to blow up. Do you get it yet?

Now show me where in the rules it says what your on about.




FIFA RULES.. The decision to penalise the offence must be taken within the next few seconds.



No offence roath but youve posted some american rules... Its football not soccer.. Again.. read the Fifa rules.