Getting rid of Tan may not be that difficult

But the supporters will have to be prepared for some tougher times.

It seems that most Cardiff City fans are coming around to the idea that until Vincent Tan leaves the football club there will never be any genuine stability, nor will the club's traditional identity be restored.

We need to accept that until the blue and bluebird are reinstated then the divisions in the fan base will fail to heal. A club attempting to move forward without real unity will always be destined to fail.

Clearly, as far as most of us are concerned, the ideal scenario is for Mr Tan to sell the ailing club to a fair minded, wealthy investor who respects tradition and immediately reverses the rebrand. Unfortunately, that scenario seems an unlikely one, especially with the obscene amount of debt that Vincent Tan has saddled the club with.

The most realistic way to 'get our club back' and eventually see it thrive is, in all likelihood, to suffer some tough times on and off the pitch for a few seasons, maybe more.

The first step should, in my opinion, be to really increase the pressure on Vincent Tan. I'm talking about largescale vocal and visible protests before, during and after games. The unified protest of a few weeks ago was an excellent start. CCS needs to become a very uncomfortable place for Tan and his minions to visit and dissenting voices need to be heard by the national and international media. While the premier league spotlight continues to fall on the club, the coming weeks offer the very best opportunity for maximum exposure.

The reality is that a Championship Cardiff City is not a particularly saleable asset, there is not going to be a queue of buyers for a second tier unstable football club with huge debts. I think, we all, realise that. The spiralling debt is, of course, the most disgraceful part of the whole affair. Many good, dyed in the wool, bluebirds only 'accepted' the rebrand because the likes of Borley and Tan assured them that the debt would be converted to equity. This misleading of the fans has been one of the most shameful parts of the mindless rebrand.

As mentioned earlier, my personal view is that (legal) visible and audible protests now need to be ramped up a notch. We need a continuation of the solidarity between the main supporters bodies to lend validity to such protests. This is no time for any of the supporters representative bodies to get 'cold feet' and begin worrying about their relationship with the club and 'grace and favour' use of facilities at the stadium. We need to stand together, united. United against the lies and united in our determination to get our club back. Tan needs to be under no illusions - it is time for him to sell up or cut his losses and move on. He is in far too deep to simply 'walk away.' Cardiff City cannot continue to be his vanity project.

What will be the consequence of such actions?

In all honesty, I would expect Tan to begin asset stripping in the summer in order to recoup as much of his 'investment' as possible. Expect the likes of Medel, Caulker, Mutch, Marshall, Campbell, Noone and Turner to depart. I'd also expect Tan to pocket the parachute payment (£23m) for next season and maybe even a guarantee that he'll also receive the parachute monies for 2015/16 (£18m) and the following seasons too (another £18m in total). He will be fully aware that the premier league withholds these payments if a club enters administration. It is, therefore, very unlikely that he'd put the club into that situation.

If the above scenario were to play out, it's fair to say that Cardiff City could face some seriously tough times. They could fall through the leagues. Alternatively, they could recover in much the same way as Crystal Palace have - a club who found themselves in similar financial dire straits a few years ago. The likelihood is that the club would have to field a combination of kids and journeymen pros for some time. Alternatively, of course, if Tan was to behave in the manner that I've outlined above, a struggling Cardiff City but with considerably less debt may once again be an attractive saleable proposition.

I suppose the question is, are Cardiff City fans prepared to vent their feelings and accept the potential for tougher times and maybe even a slide down the divisions (there are, of course, no guarantees that relegations would follow), in exchange for the departure of Tan, a lessening of the debt burden, a restoration of the club's traditional identity and unity amongst the supporters?

It would bee a lot more comfortable for Tan to sell us at a loss. How much of a loss is the real question.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

You do it the other way around, so let others have their view.

Alf Sher.
Are you sure your a fan of Cardiff City.Playing Russian roulette with our football club isn't an option.The most likely outcome is what bakedalasker suggested,he'll probably sell up even at a bit of a loss just to make a sale especially when it now looks likely we'll be in the championship next season.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

How come? Because what you're suggesting is no club at all

Alf Sher.
Are you sure your a fan of Cardiff City.Playing Russian roulette with our football club isn't an option.The most likely outcome is what bakedalasker suggested,he'll probably sell up even at a bit of a loss just to make a sale especially when it now looks likely we'll be in the championship next season.

It would be great if Tan sold out and left us, but who the hell is going to stump-up the millions needed for him to go when we're playing in the second tier?

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Alf Sher.
Are you sure your a fan of Cardiff City.Playing Russian roulette with our football club isn't an option.The most likely outcome is what bakedalasker suggested,he'll probably sell up even at a bit of a loss just to make a sale especially when it now looks likely we'll be in the championship next season.

I hope you're right. I hope he does think 'sod it, I'll cut my losses.' However there is every possibility that he will asset strip the club and take the £59m of parachute payments.

As for playing 'Russian Roulette' with the football club, I would argue that fans that continue to support Tan - the club's most divisive ever owner and the man who lied about debt to equity and instead ran up record debt levels - are far more guilty of gambling with the club's future.

It's a personal opinion but I think that the club's future is at far greater risk if Tan is allowed to maintain his ownership.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

How come? Because what you're suggesting is no club at all

Can you read me the exact part of my post where I wrote that please? I very much want to see Cardiff City thrive at a higher level as possible. I don't believe that's possible under Tan.

I am asking the question, do we leave things as they are, And wait for Tan's house of cards to collapse? or do we force the issue, face some short term difficulties but ultimately come out of things stronger?

I'm prepared for tougher times. It may not be that enjoyable to watch but it would certainly be cheaper and Tan would be gone.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Noone will buy ccfc for a huge amount of money.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

How come? Because what you're suggesting is no club at all

Can you read me the exact part of my post where I wrote that please? I very much want to see Cardiff City thrive at a higher level as possible. I don't believe that's possible under Tan.

I am asking the question, do we leave things as they are, And wait for Tan's house of cards to collapse? or do we force the issue, face some short term difficulties but ultimately come out of things stronger?

Alfie You have to forgive Natman as he is wearing his red tinted glasses as usual,we just ignore him.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip

As a not so hardcore fan (there a far more important things in life) I was a reluctant red. I believed the long term permanency of the club was far more important than the colour of the shirt, however painful.

I never bought it though, although my daughter has a red shirt from being a mascot, but a full two season into the rebrand we are in a worse position financially than we were before Tan. Quite simply he has lied and deceived, he is not alone he joins a long list.

I am not sure how he exits, but it will not be quite and graceful.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

How come? Because what you're suggesting is no club at all

Can you read me the exact part of my post where I wrote that please? I very much want to see Cardiff City thrive at a higher level as possible. I don't believe that's possible under Tan.

I am asking the question, do we leave things as they are, And wait for Tan's house of cards to collapse? or do we force the issue, face some short term difficulties but ultimately come out of things stronger?

ah kcb, any affiliation to the group who abuses and threatens people who think differently?

Alfie You have to forgive Natman as he is wearing his red tinted glasses as usual,we just ignore him.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

How come? Because what you're suggesting is no club at all

Can you read me the exact part of my post where I wrote that please? I very much want to see Cardiff City thrive at a higher level as possible. I don't believe that's possible under Tan.

I am asking the question, do we leave things as they are, And wait for Tan's house of cards to collapse? or do we force the issue, face some short term difficulties but ultimately come out of things stronger?

ah kcb, any affiliation to the group who abuses and threatens people who think differently?

Alfie You have to forgive Natman as he is wearing his red tinted glasses as usual,we just ignore him.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

Have a day off you boring sanctimonious git.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip

yes its deep thought init............club going into l;iquidation..only one person on the planet prepared to stop that..lets boot him out so the 8 trillion invisible investors to take over..........i protested too.along with 25,000 otjhers..an anti protest protest........so now im a protester that makes me someone like you eh? hope fuckin not

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

Have a day off you boring sanctimonious git.

when this board's agenda has a day off then so will I

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

How come? Because what you're suggesting is no club at all

Can you read me the exact part of my post where I wrote that please? I very much want to see Cardiff City thrive at a higher level as possible. I don't believe that's possible under Tan.

I am asking the question, do we leave things as they are, And wait for Tan's house of cards to collapse? or do we force the issue, face some short term difficulties but ultimately come out of things stronger?

Alfie You have to forgive Natman as he is wearing his red tinted glasses as usual,we just ignore him.

I'm sure Natman's heart is in the right place. I just think he's backed the wrong horse on this occasion.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

Have a day off you boring sanctimonious git.

when this board's agenda has a day off then so will I

Wanting blue back isn't an agenda. It's loyalty. Try it sometime.

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip

yes its deep thought init............club going into l;iquidation..only one person on the planet prepared to stop that..lets boot him out so the 8 trillion invisible investors to take over..........i protested too.along with 25,000 otjhers..an anti protest protest........so now im a protester that makes me someone like you eh? hope fuckin not

Quality

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

Have a day off you boring sanctimonious git.

when this board's agenda has a day off then so will I

Wanting blue back isn't an agenda. It's loyalty. Try it sometime.

I don't think you've quite grasped the whole picture if that's all you think it is!

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

Have a day off you boring sanctimonious git.

when this board's agenda has a day off then so will I

Wanting blue back isn't an agenda. It's loyalty. Try it sometime.

I used to think most old city fans were loyal but that's not the case anymore I witnessed fans I'd seen for years and years so called die hard supporters clap when Palace scored , shout abuse at the team etc

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip

yes its deep thought init............club going into l;iquidation..only one person on the planet prepared to stop that..lets boot him out so the 8 trillion invisible investors to take over..........i protested too.along with 25,000 otjhers..an anti protest protest........so now im a protester that makes me someone like you eh? hope fuckin not

Quality

true though////////unless of course you stick your head in the sand...........you just want to be a rebel against something..well done you..

Well very humble of you to take a decision for over 25,000 and gamble on our club's very existence

My feelings are well known. I'm merely asking the question.

As for taking a gamble on the club's very existence. I would say that those who continue to back Tan are every bit as guilty of that.

no........i want a club..............you dont care one way or other.

Of course, I don't care. That's why I've attended loads of protests and wrote numerous articles on the subject. Go and have a lie down

exactly..........thats why the huge majority DONT follow your lead..THEY WANT A CLUB...WANT THIS CLUB..LOVE THE CLUB......i care thousands care...you do not......

On reflection, you're right. You've defeated me with your rapier like intelligence and carefully thought through debating skills.

I'll go and sit on the naughty step.

Toodlepip

yes its deep thought init............club going into l;iquidation..only one person on the planet prepared to stop that..lets boot him out so the 8 trillion invisible investors to take over..........i protested too.along with 25,000 otjhers..an anti protest protest........so now im a protester that makes me someone like you eh? hope fuckin not

Quality

true though////////unless of course you stick your head in the sand...........you just want to be a rebel against something..well done you..

Thanks dad