Major target: Stadium of Light

I've been reading quite a lot about how we need to get 3 points against WBA but I'm also convinced that looking further ahead would be a better idea psychologically. I suggest the Sunderland game because it is definitely winnable. Watching them take on Liverpool tonight I saw little to threaten us apart from the Korean Jack who seems to make an impact but they are too dull to play him from the beginning!

If there is a slight distraction of this game, then maybe our team will relax and just get on with the job of playing.

The WBA game is important of course, but there is a danger that if we don't win, the spirit may take a dive.

In my opinion, the WBA is a must win game. By winning we prove our character and win a psychological foothold against at least one of our rivals for relegation. If we don't then there is even more pressure for the home game against Palace. Winning both of these makes beating Sunderland our cup final. Win that and we stay up I reckon.

Definitely need a win against WBA.

Hopefully we will still have hope when we go to play Sunderland at their place. Their game against Liverpool was a nervous affair with the home side playing more of a safe game. Once they got their 2 goal lead which only happened by number of attacks they had then they went down a gear. This allowed Sunderland back in and could have got a point. A difficult game to judge if Sunderland are going to stay up.

It was likely that we would go down when we drew with Aston Villa and lost to Hull

We will Definatly go down if we dont get 9 points against WBA, Crystal Palace and Sunderland

Those are all must win games - if we can get 2 points from Southampton & Newcastle then that would help us a lot aswell

I recon we will
draw with West Brom A
loose to Palace H
draw with Soton A
beat Stoke H
beat S,land A
beat N,Castle A
Loose to Chelski H

11 more points giving us 36 points

The palace game is a more important game to win than w.b.a. i think if we only got a draw up there and then beat palace it would be a reasonable return. The important thing is not to lose against them. To expect us to win the next three games on the trot when we haven't won two in a row all season is Roy of the rovers stuff but i hope I'm wrong.

The palace game is a more important game to win than w.b.a. i think if we only got a draw up there and then beat palace it would be a reasonable return. The important thing is not to lose against them. To expect us to win the next three games on the trot when we haven't won two in a row all season is Roy of the rovers stuff but i hope I'm wrong.

It will be a huge acheivement to get 9 points from 3 games and no one should expect us to - but the reality is if we dont then we are going down, no point in just getting a point from those games as we wont be gaining any points on the teams around us

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

I've been reading quite a lot about how we need to get 3 points against WBA but I'm also convinced that looking further ahead would be a better idea psychologically. I suggest the Sunderland game because it is definitely winnable. Watching them take on Liverpool tonight I saw little to threaten us apart from the Korean Jack who seems to make an impact but they are too dull to play him from the beginning!

If there is a slight distraction of this game, then maybe our team will relax and just get on with the job of playing.

The WBA game is important of course, but there is a danger that if we don't win, the spirit may take a dive.

They had Liverpool rattled in last 10! missed a sitter too. Adam Johnson is their live wire to watch out for you dont win Jan player of month for no reason. West brom is win or bust! looking at them on paper im confident well do em.

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

what the f**k are you rattling on about you fool!

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

what the f**k are you rattling on about you fool!

Im saying that we should be targeting those three games - I just read through my post again and it seems fairly clear

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

what the f**k are you rattling on about you fool!

Im saying that we should be targeting those three games - I just read through my post again and it seems fairly clear

Ive read through your post several times, and it still dosent makes sense target next match and dont overthink this to much. Should win game, but not a must win game imo and any other mathematecly angle

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

what the f**k are you rattling on about you fool!

Im saying that we should be targeting those three games - I just read through my post again and it seems fairly clear

Ive read through your post several times, and it still dosent makes sense target next match and dont overthink this to much. Should win game, but not a must win game imo and any other mathematecly angle

Right - i shall try again

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

Translation: If we beat the teams around us then its basically 6 pointers and our league position will definatly increase

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

Translation: If we get a few points from teams higher up the table we are gamblin on the teams around us losing aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Translation: We cant treat every game the same, we need to focus on the games against the lower league teams and it would be a bad idea to do otherwise

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

Translation: I am not saying dont bother against teams higher up in the league - I am saying that the majority of our focus and effort should be on the targeted games

Does this make more sense?

I don't get this "targeting games" theory. We have 7 games left and need to put the same 100% effort into every game to try and win as many as we can.

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

what the f**k are you rattling on about you fool!

Im saying that we should be targeting those three games - I just read through my post again and it seems fairly clear

Ive read through your post several times, and it still dosent makes sense target next match and dont overthink this to much. Should win game, but not a must win game imo and any other mathematecly angle

Right - i shall try again

The reason those three games should be targeted is that if we win we gain points guarenteed on teams of a similar ability in a similar position to us in the table

Translation: If we beat the teams around us then its basically 6 pointers and our league position will definatly increase

If we targeted Newcastle, Southampton & Chelsea then we are unlikely to win and any points gained may be in vain as the teams around us can win aswell

Translation: If we get a few points from teams higher up the table we are gamblin on the teams around us losing aswell

If we treat every game the same at this stage in the season then its very much a negative and would be bad tactics IMO

Translation: We cant treat every game the same, we need to focus on the games against the lower league teams and it would be a bad idea to do otherwise

Obviously no one is saying dont turn up for certain teams - but 110% effort is needed from the targeted games

Translation: I am not saying dont bother against teams higher up in the league - I am saying that the majority of our focus and effort should be on the targeted games

Does this make more sense?

Nope focus on the next game and how to win it. Give 100% (110 not possible) no matter who you play.
That makes sense imo your logic flaws just looking at reamainig fixtures for bottom teams.

And btw. I completly agree with op. Failing to calculate this right will only lead to collapse in confidense with the fans.
The players i think have the grasp on things. We NEED to win one of our next two games, not both. Then you can do another calculation based on how fulham, sunderland, wba and palace are doing. If calculating results where that easy, we all be millionaires on betting

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Unlikely againt chealsea and every point IS vital. You have been wrong in your assesments since you turned sour i january, and you still are. Your gut feeling is telling you things mathematical logic argue against. You are so far out of your depth as possible.
Focus on the games this weekend and do another calculation on monday

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Isn't it obvious?

We DO need to win these up coming games, because otherwise we are going to need points from a far less likely fixture, such as Southampton away/Chelsea home as examples.

4 points from the next 2 games is a minimum I say, remember that if we lose either game, it also has the added problem of giving a rival 3 points.

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Isn't it obvious?

We DO need to win these up coming games, because otherwise we are going to need points from a far less likely fixture, such as Southampton away/Chelsea home as examples.

No it is not obvius at all. Chelsea is unlikely IF the still compete for honours. Why would you assess any game as not winnable?
So what you two geniuses are saying, if we dont beat wba we are down?m

No it is not obvius at all. Chelsea is unlikely IF the still compete for honours. Why would you assess any game as not winnable?

where have I said it isn't winnable? I said it was UNLIKELY - surely you don't need a definition?

So what you two geniuses are saying, if we dont beat wba we are down?m

we aren't geniuses, although we do know the definition of "unlikely" if we lose to WBA, then it's looking very grim indeed...

We need to win 4 of our remaining games to stay up. It doesn't matter whether the wins come against West Brom, Palace, Southampton or Chelsea, 4 wins will be enough imo. We have to try to win every game and put the same maximum effort into every game. If we try just quite hard against the Chelsea's and Southampton's and then try and put that little bit extra in against the West Brom's and Palace's, we will deserve to go down because we should be putting that little bit extra into every remaining game regardless of who we're up against. We are not in a position to take it easy with some games to target others, we're in the relegation zone for crying out loud and these are professional footballers who are paid handsomely by us fans to play the game they love, so I will expect nothing less than 100% from every player in every remaining game! Obviously, the way we set ourselves up tactically will differ depending on who we're playing, but if we are not prepared to give our very, very best in every remaining game this season, we will deserve to go down.

No it is not obvius at all. Chelsea is unlikely IF the still compete for honours. Why would you assess any game as not winnable?

where have I said it isn't winnable? I said it was UNLIKELY - surely you don't need a definition?

So what you two geniuses are saying, if we dont beat wba we are down?m

we aren't geniuses, although we do know the definition of "unlikely" if we lose to WBA, then it's looking very grim indeed...

Ohhh splitting hairs again are surely if you say we MUST win we are going down if we loose next game? We are unlikely to win any game, but we can actually win against anyone of them. See why your doomsday prep is unlikely ?
Or do you roll up and go home for the rest of season if we loose? You two dont play chess do you

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Unlikely againt chealsea and every point IS vital. You have been wrong in your assesments since you turned sour i january, and you still are. Your gut feeling is telling you things mathematical logic argue against. You are so far out of your depth as possible.
Focus on the games this weekend and do another calculation on monday

Wrong in my assessments?

This was my prediction which i posted after we were soundly beat 2-0 my West Ham

Man City v Cardiff - 0 Points
Man Utd v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Norwich - 3 Points
Swansea v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Aston Villa- 1 Point
Cardiff V Hull City - 1 Point
Tottenham v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff V Fullham - 3 Points
Everton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Liverpool - 0 Points
West Brom - Cardiff - 1 Point
Cardiff v Crystal Palace - 3 Points
Southhampton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Stoke - 1 Point
Sunderland v Cardiff - 1 Point
Newcastle v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Chelsea - 0 Points


I am a realist and i look at things from a non bias view - I predicted EVERY game right exept Hull where i predicted a draw and we lost 4-0

Now because i have a clue about football im going to say that the predictions up top are fairly accurate and if we finish on 30 points (i predicted 31 - but we lost to hull) then we are going down

We NEED to beat WBA and Crystal Palace otherwise we are down and that is reality

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Unlikely againt chealsea and every point IS vital. You have been wrong in your assesments since you turned sour i january, and you still are. Your gut feeling is telling you things mathematical logic argue against. You are so far out of your depth as possible.
Focus on the games this weekend and do another calculation on monday

Wrong in my assessments?

This was my prediction which i posted after we were soundly beat 2-0 my West Ham

Man City v Cardiff - 0 Points
Man Utd v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Norwich - 3 Points
Swansea v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Aston Villa- 1 Point
Cardiff V Hull City - 1 Point
Tottenham v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff V Fullham - 3 Points
Everton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Liverpool - 0 Points
West Brom - Cardiff - 1 Point
Cardiff v Crystal Palace - 3 Points
Southhampton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Stoke - 1 Point
Sunderland v Cardiff - 1 Point
Newcastle v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Chelsea - 0 Points


I am a realist and i look at things from a non bias view - I predicted EVERY game right exept Hull where i predicted a draw and we lost 4-0

Now because i have a clue about football im going to say that the predictions up top are fairly accurate and if we finish on 30 points (i predicted 31 - but we lost to hull) then we are going down

We NEED to beat WBA and Crystal Palace otherwise we are down and that is reality

You have said we need to beat for a while, other wise we are down. Wrong calculation we need to beat either wba or palace, we should get least 4 points. 6 points will be a giant step. If we loose ground on wba, we still have fulham, sunderland palace dont we? Anything else in your crystal bowl?

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Unlikely againt chealsea and every point IS vital. You have been wrong in your assesments since you turned sour i january, and you still are. Your gut feeling is telling you things mathematical logic argue against. You are so far out of your depth as possible.
Focus on the games this weekend and do another calculation on monday

Wrong in my assessments?

This was my prediction which i posted after we were soundly beat 2-0 my West Ham

Man City v Cardiff - 0 Points
Man Utd v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Norwich - 3 Points
Swansea v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Aston Villa- 1 Point
Cardiff V Hull City - 1 Point
Tottenham v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff V Fullham - 3 Points
Everton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Liverpool - 0 Points
West Brom - Cardiff - 1 Point
Cardiff v Crystal Palace - 3 Points
Southhampton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Stoke - 1 Point
Sunderland v Cardiff - 1 Point
Newcastle v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Chelsea - 0 Points


I am a realist and i look at things from a non bias view - I predicted EVERY game right exept Hull where i predicted a draw and we lost 4-0

Now because i have a clue about football im going to say that the predictions up top are fairly accurate and if we finish on 30 points (i predicted 31 - but we lost to hull) then we are going down

We NEED to beat WBA and Crystal Palace otherwise we are down and that is reality

You have said we need to beat for a while, other wise we are down. Wrong calculation we need to beat either wba or palace, we should get least 4 points. 6 points will be a giant step. If we loose ground on wba, we still have fulham, sunderland palace dont we? Anything else in your crystal bowl?

Yes we have dropped points and we are in the relegation zone because of it and if we hadn't dropped those points we would NEED to win these game

I am right - you are completely wrong and your basing everything on best case scenario

It's called a relegation dogfight for a reason and the reality is that the teams around us are up for it as much as we are - why would you want to rest your hopes on them losing?

I don't usually point out errors but as you are trying to patronise me it's crystal BALL not bowl

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Unlikely againt chealsea and every point IS vital. You have been wrong in your assesments since you turned sour i january, and you still are. Your gut feeling is telling you things mathematical logic argue against. You are so far out of your depth as possible.
Focus on the games this weekend and do another calculation on monday

Wrong in my assessments?

This was my prediction which i posted after we were soundly beat 2-0 my West Ham

Man City v Cardiff - 0 Points
Man Utd v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Norwich - 3 Points
Swansea v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Aston Villa- 1 Point
Cardiff V Hull City - 1 Point
Tottenham v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff V Fullham - 3 Points
Everton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Liverpool - 0 Points
West Brom - Cardiff - 1 Point
Cardiff v Crystal Palace - 3 Points
Southhampton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Stoke - 1 Point
Sunderland v Cardiff - 1 Point
Newcastle v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Chelsea - 0 Points


I am a realist and i look at things from a non bias view - I predicted EVERY game right exept Hull where i predicted a draw and we lost 4-0

Now because i have a clue about football im going to say that the predictions up top are fairly accurate and if we finish on 30 points (i predicted 31 - but we lost to hull) then we are going down

We NEED to beat WBA and Crystal Palace otherwise we are down and that is reality

You have said we need to beat for a while, other wise we are down. Wrong calculation we need to beat either wba or palace, we should get least 4 points. 6 points will be a giant step. If we loose ground on wba, we still have fulham, sunderland palace dont we? Anything else in your crystal bowl?

Yes we have dropped points and we are in the relegation zone because of it and if we hadn't dropped those points we would NEED to win these game

I am right - you are completely wrong and your basing everything on best case scenario

It's called a relegation dogfight for a reason and the reality is that the teams around us are up for it as much as we are - why would you want to rest your hopes on them losing?

I don't usually point out errors but as you are trying to patronise me it's crystal BALL not bowl

You really dont have clue do you? So in your opinion we are down if we loose to wba. Want to leave it there, or do you want to present the 200pluss wild points on the table between the relegation teams in a calculation, so i can support you theory?
Thats why its called a relegation battle mate, nothing is for certain but i really think city can beat anyone of the remaining teams, but thats my crystal bowl

Looking at our position we need to win both our next two games really, otherwise we will be relying on an unlikely win elsewhere.

What unlikely win are you thinking about? As of right now, no we do not need to, it would help a lot though

Unlikley wins against Chelsea, Newcastle, Southampton - we are drawing close to the end of the season and every point is vital

Yes we do need to win the next to games - if we dont then we are going down

Unlikely againt chealsea and every point IS vital. You have been wrong in your assesments since you turned sour i january, and you still are. Your gut feeling is telling you things mathematical logic argue against. You are so far out of your depth as possible.
Focus on the games this weekend and do another calculation on monday

Wrong in my assessments?

This was my prediction which i posted after we were soundly beat 2-0 my West Ham

Man City v Cardiff - 0 Points
Man Utd v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Norwich - 3 Points
Swansea v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Aston Villa- 1 Point
Cardiff V Hull City - 1 Point
Tottenham v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff V Fullham - 3 Points
Everton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Liverpool - 0 Points
West Brom - Cardiff - 1 Point
Cardiff v Crystal Palace - 3 Points
Southhampton v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Stoke - 1 Point
Sunderland v Cardiff - 1 Point
Newcastle v Cardiff - 0 Points
Cardiff v Chelsea - 0 Points


I am a realist and i look at things from a non bias view - I predicted EVERY game right exept Hull where i predicted a draw and we lost 4-0

Now because i have a clue about football im going to say that the predictions up top are fairly accurate and if we finish on 30 points (i predicted 31 - but we lost to hull) then we are going down

We NEED to beat WBA and Crystal Palace otherwise we are down and that is reality

You have said we need to beat for a while, other wise we are down. Wrong calculation we need to beat either wba or palace, we should get least 4 points. 6 points will be a giant step. If we loose ground on wba, we still have fulham, sunderland palace dont we? Anything else in your crystal bowl?

Yes we have dropped points and we are in the relegation zone because of it and if we hadn't dropped those points we would NEED to win these game

I am right - you are completely wrong and your basing everything on best case scenario

It's called a relegation dogfight for a reason and the reality is that the teams around us are up for it as much as we are - why would you want to rest your hopes on them losing?

I don't usually point out errors but as you are trying to patronise me it's crystal BALL not bowl

You really dont have clue do you? So in your opinion we are down if we loose to wba. Want to leave it there, or do you want to present the 200pluss wild points on the table between the relegation teams in a calculation, so i can support you theory?
Thats why its called a relegation battle mate, nothing is for certain but i really think city can beat anyone of the remaining teams, but thats my crystal bowl

There is a reason why every football pundit and bookie recons that we are going down - we are in an awful position

Yes mathmatically even after losing to WBA we could still stay up - but realistically we will be going straight down

I am realistic, I am not bias and I also know what I am talking about so I can say with confidence that if we beat WBA, Palace & Sunderland we are staying up and if we lose to WBA and Palace then we are going down

If we lose to Crystal Palace and WBA and manage to stay up I will buy you a Crate of Lager and deliver it to you're door

That is a promise!