teachers on strike today

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means you are entitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

The public sector need to wake up and smell the coffee.

7 hours a day and 13 weeks holiday.......wake up please and look around at others.....i have a duty to make sure my children go to school...i think teachers have to set an example

What a load of bollocks my wife is a teacher where did you get 7hrs a day from, get your facts right first

Exactly - opening poster has far too simplistic view/attitude.

[quote="CF47 BLUEBIRD"]The public sector need to wake up and smell the coffee.[/qu

They have that is why they are striking

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

There is a lot more involved than that, do you think that in the 13 weeks off that they don't do anything school related , If you were told that you had to work longer for less money would you just bend over and take it but there are a lot more reasons as to why they are striking

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

Jackf, quick question do you have any connection to education? Reason I ask is if you say no I will have an understanding of why you have posted those comments as anybody that has an understanding of what is really going on in schools would never genuinely believe the points you have raised.

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

If your sister is a teacher then you should know that there is a lot more involved than just the pension, you say contributing very little towards a pension

Whilst they are making there demands can someone ask them to get the parents of the kids this strike is effecting the money back they are losing in wages having to stay at home with the kids .
Some people Can't afford to take a day off from there 60 hour a week jobs but are being forced to !

My sister is also a teacher but done a bunk from the uk a few years ago. She works in Qatar and earns 40k per annum....tax free, has been given a car and apartment rent free. In short, the worlds a big place for a teacher, whilst the terms they signed up for are being changed, the public sector is coming...slowly in line with private sector.

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

Jackf, quick question do you have any connection to education? Reason I ask is if you say no I will have an understanding of why you have posted those comments as anybody that has an understanding of what is really going on in schools would never genuinely believe the points you have raised.

You do realise how poorly our schools are performing don't you? And yes I do have a connection to education and I am horrified by the performance and ability of many teachers and the ridiculous protection given to them by their unions. If PRP helps to weed more of them out the great. As for working to 68. Almost everybody in the uk has accepted it, no idea why teachers think they should be different.

Why not restructure education. Teachers work 8.30 to 5, bit of extra hours on weekends, 5weeks leave a year and all inset/ppa time must be spent in school. Any snow days if you dont attend you lose a days pay and like all local authority staff you must go through job evaluation and be forced to agree to new terms and conditions and in many cases a substantial pay cut.
Maybe teachers need to spend a bit of time in the real world every couple of years to see what its like outside the bubble of school

7 Hours a day you are having a laugh mate Teachers will work into early hours in order to get marking and lessons plans done

Teaching is one of the most stressful jobs going! - They are underpaid and have to deal with so much shit from Kids with next to 0 power to actually control them in lessons and then get constant pressure from parents as to why their kids are misbehaving?!

Good on them for striking

I have a challenge for any anti-strikers who are at home with the kids today. Seeing as you are so distressed about them losing a day of education, I challenge you to teach them Literacy between 9:30 and 10:30. You can do reading, writing or oracy but make sure you write down what you intend to do before hand- this will require searching documents online for curriculum orders and National Literacy Framework targets for their age. Give them 15 minutes play time after this.

10:45 - 12:00/12:10: Maths now. Same idea you will need to write it down before hand. I'm sure as you are so vehemently against your children missing a day you all have Maths work books at home for them to practice regularly anyway. Again do what you like but make sure it's suitable for their ability.

12:10 - 1:05: They can have lunch now. And whilst they have the right to eat, you can to! Yay aren't we lucky being allowed to eat!

1:05- :1:35: Reading time. Any book you want but make sure you set them some rich activities to ensure they understand the book.

1:35- 3: In my class today would have been Science project day. Good luck. Remember to check the documents to see what they need to do. My 9/10 year olds were going to be reading about the ear and how it functions. Then create an information poster using the features of the genre correctly and correct scientific vocabulary.

3-3:15 tidy up, collect your stuff, say the prayer send the kid off to play.

3:15 - 5:15 (minimum): Now you can do more paperwork/attend meetings/consult parents/run an after school club etc.

5:15. You can stop. You've done the minimum day and without half the heavier duty stuff you actually need to do. Now consider expanding this experience over a week. Now consider expanding it and on the next strike day invite your child's whole class around.
Has your child achieved his targets today? He might have. Well done you can have a pay rise. Oh what's that? Your child comes from a deprived home, is already 2 years below expected standards for his age and due to the National Literacy Test not being differentiated has failed to reach the target despite making great strides? Sorry no pay rise for you.

Don't worry it was only 1% anyway. Not like those meddling MP's who got 12K. Not worth being angry about.

Oh and by the way: because I knew I was striking today I merely moved all my planning forward a day, so your child has lost out on absolutely zip.

And remember now- NO DAYS OFF FOR SICKNESS OR HOLIDAY because that will put them behind. Additionally please make sure they complete their homework on time.

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

If your sister is a teacher then you should know that there is a lot more involved than just the pension, you say contributing very little towards a pension

So theyve got to work longer, again, boo f*cking hoo, so do the rest of us.

People had to make sacrifices. Thats life. My mother is 60 years old and goes up to London 3 days a week to look after my sisters baby for her to go to work.

My sister is also a teacher but done a bunk from the uk a few years ago. She works in Qatar and earns 40k per annum....tax free, has been given a car and apartment rent free. In short, the worlds a big place for a teacher, whilst the terms they signed up for are being changed, the public sector is coming...slowly in line with private sector.

That sounds great what your sister has done but not all can do things like that, their family commitments and age might not let them, as you say it's the terms they signed up for so no reason why they shouldn't strike

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

If your sister is a teacher then you should know that there is a lot more involved than just the pension, you say contributing very little towards a pension

So theyve got to work longer, again, boo f*cking hoo, so do the rest of us.

People had to make sacrifices. Thats life. My mother is 60 years old and goes up to London 3 days a week to look after my sisters baby for her to go to work.

That's your mothers chose to do that

My sister is also a teacher but done a bunk from the uk a few years ago. She works in Qatar and earns 40k per annum....tax free, has been given a car and apartment rent free. In short, the worlds a big place for a teacher, whilst the terms they signed up for are being changed, the public sector is coming...slowly in line with private sector.

That sounds great what your sister has done but not all can do things like that, their family commitments and age might not let them, as you say it's the terms they signed up for so no reason why they shouldn't strike

A lot of private workers didnt sign up for pay CUTS in their terms and conditions but shit happens. Welcome to Britain 2014.

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

Talking logic? Really?

Why should it be a race to the bottom? Don't you think it would be better to aim to bring the private sector in line with the public sector?

I'm sure private sector workers think that the public sector spend their retirement sipping champagne on their private jets. In reality the only people who really have a comfortable retirement are the fat cat bosses of... Wait for it... Private sector companies!

Before lecturing public sector workers you should take a long hard look at the way money in the private sector is filtered down the ranks!

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

its about what people are used too, im public sector as well and my pension contribution will be around the 9.5% mark in a few years (currently 6% i think) its a hell of a lot, but as long as cost cutting measures are across the board (im going to be getting a 1% "pay rise" for the considerable future) then its fair enough.

Im going to have to work till im 68, so should a teacher.

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

If your sister is a teacher then you should know that there is a lot more involved than just the pension, you say contributing very little towards a pension

So theyve got to work longer, again, boo f*cking hoo, so do the rest of us.

People had to make sacrifices. Thats life. My mother is 60 years old and goes up to London 3 days a week to look after my sisters baby for her to go to work.

That's your mothers chose to do that

Im sure she would prefer not to, but seeing as my sister earns so much, then its a sacrifice my mother has choosen to make.

Paying that little bit more into your pension, and working longer, although only inline with the private sector, are sacrifices teachers are just going to have to make too.

My sister is also a teacher but done a bunk from the uk a few years ago. She works in Qatar and earns 40k per annum....tax free, has been given a car and apartment rent free. In short, the worlds a big place for a teacher, whilst the terms they signed up for are being changed, the public sector is coming...slowly in line with private sector.

That sounds great what your sister has done but not all can do things like that, their family commitments and age might not let them, as you say it's the terms they signed up for so no reason why they shouldn't strike

A lot of private workers didnt sign up for pay CUTS in their terms and conditions but shit happens. Welcome to Britain 2014.

And that's why they are striking

I have a challenge for any anti-strikers who are at home with the kids today. Seeing as you are so distressed about them losing a day of education, I challenge you to teach them Literacy between 9:30 and 10:30. You can do reading, writing or oracy but make sure you write down what you intend to do before hand- this will require searching documents online for curriculum orders and National Literacy Framework targets for their age. Give them 15 minutes play time after this.

10:45 - 12:00/12:10: Maths now. Same idea you will need to write it down before hand. I'm sure as you are so vehemently against your children missing a day you all have Maths work books at home for them to practice regularly anyway. Again do what you like but make sure it's suitable for their ability.

12:10 - 1:05: They can have lunch now. And whilst they have the right to eat, you can to! Yay aren't we lucky being allowed to eat!

1:05- :1:35: Reading time. Any book you want but make sure you set them some rich activities to ensure they understand the book.

1:35- 3: In my class today would have been Science project day. Good luck. Remember to check the documents to see what they need to do. My 9/10 year olds were going to be reading about the ear and how it functions. Then create an information poster using the features of the genre correctly and correct scientific vocabulary.

3-3:15 tidy up, collect your stuff, say the prayer send the kid off to play.

3:15 - 5:15 (minimum): Now you can do more paperwork/attend meetings/consult parents/run an after school club etc.

5:15. You can stop. You've done the minimum day and without half the heavier duty stuff you actually need to do. Now consider expanding this experience over a week. Now consider expanding it and on the next strike day invite your child's whole class around.
Has your child achieved his targets today? He might have. Well done you can have a pay rise. Oh what's that? Your child comes from a deprived home, is already 2 years below expected standards for his age and due to the National Literacy Test not being differentiated has failed to reach the target despite making great strides? Sorry no pay rise for you.

Don't worry it was only 1% anyway. Not like those meddling MP's who got 12K. Not worth being angry about.

Oh and by the way: because I knew I was striking today I merely moved all my planning forward a day, so your child has lost out on absolutely zip.

And remember now- NO DAYS OFF FOR SICKNESS OR HOLIDAY because that will put them behind. Additionally please make sure they complete their homework on time.

But nearly all the family's have missed out on a days pay due to parents not being able to work !
That one day can make a huge difference to some people .

By the way , cry me a river , a lot of people like Myself who are self employed work long hours , late into the night (sometimes through the night ) searching for equipment on line , looking for ways around certain problems . And guess what , that never stops the difference is we have to be out at 5 in the morning in all weather getting soaked to the bone , crawling round dark dusty environments all day , working in hazardous and dangerous environments most of the time for less money than teachers . Teachers get to do it from the comfort of there home or classroom .
People act like its the hardest job in the world

My sister is also a teacher but done a bunk from the uk a few years ago. She works in Qatar and earns 40k per annum....tax free, has been given a car and apartment rent free. In short, the worlds a big place for a teacher, whilst the terms they signed up for are being changed, the public sector is coming...slowly in line with private sector.

That sounds great what your sister has done but not all can do things like that, their family commitments and age might not let them, as you say it's the terms they signed up for so no reason why they shouldn't strike

A lot of private workers didnt sign up for pay CUTS in their terms and conditions but shit happens. Welcome to Britain 2014.

A lot of private workers didnt join a union who would have helped us negotiate cuts in the workplace?

If you arnt happy about somthing do somthing about it like the NUT are - rather than compare everything to some sorry state of affairs which you can have control over if you want to

Are you aware of the full reasons behind the strike and the impact that those changes could have on teachers. If you are and you original post is your honest oppionion then by all means ntitled to it, if not have a look on here as to the reasons behind today's strike.

http://www.teachers.org.uk

So performance related pay and working until 68 are the real reasons. Wow welcome to the real world. If a cleaner/dinner lady/bin man/ highways worker/school admin staff/park keeper/ leisure centre worker/ libarian etc etc all have to work to 68 why not a teacher. And any teacher that believes performance related pay is a bad thing can only be regarded as a bad teacher as ALL decent teachers will reach all targets no question. As for over worked again find me somebody who isnt. But give me 13 weeks a year off im sure it would help to recharge my battery.

Jackf, quick question do you have any connection to education? Reason I ask is if you say no I will have an understanding of why you have posted those comments as anybody that has an understanding of what is really going on in schools would never genuinely believe the points you have raised.

You do realise how poorly our schools are performing don't you? And yes I do have a connection to education and I am horrified by the performance and ability of many teachers and the ridiculous protection given to them by their unions. If PRP helps to weed more of them out the great. As for working to 68. Almost everybody in the uk has accepted it, no idea why teachers think they should be different.

Why not restructure education. Teachers work 8.30 to 5, bit of extra hours on weekends, 5weeks leave a year and all inset/ppa time must be spent in school. Any snow days if you dont attend you lose a days pay and like all local authority staff you must go through job evaluation and be forced to agree to new terms and conditions and in many cases a substantial pay cut.
Maybe teachers need to spend a bit of time in the real world every couple of years to see what its like outside the bubble of school

Spot on

My missus works in the public sector and as I told her last week, and when she was moaning about she had to put more in her pension as the government wanted to pay less, I told her welcome to the real world.

Doesn't make it right though

Well, thats a matter of opinion.

They are still getting a pension private workers can only dream of, and contributing very little towards it.

The governments contribution is still crazy compared to what private sector workers get from their employers.

The pensions dished out to public sector workers are absurd, and they rightly needed looking at.

My missus is a civil servant, and my sister is a teacher, so there is no axe to grind im just talking logic here.

Talking logic? Really?

Why should it be a race to the bottom? Don't you think it would be better to aim to bring the private sector in line with the public sector?

I'm sure private sector workers think that the public sector spend their retirement sipping champagne on their private jets. In reality the only people who really have a comfortable retirement are the fat cat bosses of... Wait for it... Private sector companies!

Before lecturing public sector workers you should take a long hard look at the way money in the private sector is filtered down the ranks!

Im not lecturing anybody, just got no sympathy whatsoever with the public sector apart from the emergency services.