Would we come back up next season?.

What are your opinions looking at the worse case scenario and we were to get relegated ?, I think we would do well with a starting squad for next season of
Moore
Taylor
Brayford
Fabio
Nugent
Oshilaja
Hudson
Turner
John
Gunnarsson
Whittingham
Campbell
Bo-Kyung
Eikrem
Noone **
Harris
Mason
Cowie
McNaughton
Cala
Théophile-Catherine
Dæhli
Berget
Bellamy in a player coach role.

So maybe with a few top Championship players, one or two Swansea "a la mode Swansea-esque continental players and a marquee Premiership signing I think we would do ok.

I can see Marshall, Caulker, Medal, and maybe Craig Noone** who has shown he can hold is own in the Premiership all being shipped out thus recouping a large amount of money via transfer fees and reducing our wage bill to a degree, it is my opinion these players the way they have preformed this season deserve the opportunity to play in the Premiership next season.
Players I would not be surprised to see leave on frees or nominal fees are
Ralls, Smith, Connally, Kiss, Velikonjana, Lewis, Lappin, Jones ( It would not be surprise me ha if he had a pretty cute contract drawn up to suit himself if things went pear shaped) Maynard who is nowhere near the player he was before his injury, Zaha will go back to Manchester United and IMO Javi Guerra will decline the pre contact offer made to him if we were to get relegated.

Player I would not be bothered to see leave -Taylor
Player I would like to see stay- Brayford.

50:50 chance id give it. Although the stadium being half empty after the expansion will have a negative effect.

I would also say that if you don't to it at the first attempt, then the odds drift dramatically each year as it will get a tougher and tougher ask.

i dont think so.....our key players will be gone ...

We will lose a few players if we go down but Tan has a plan if we stay up or go down, from what I have heard we will have a team that can win the C'ship, Tan isn't going anywhere unless he gets his money back

I think we'll take 2/3 years to come back up.

Caulker, Medel, Noone, Mutch and Marshall will leave imo. They are our best players and we won't be able to replace them in a single summer. I will accept anywhere in the Championship but below 10th because I understand how hard it'll be for Ole to get a squad together which is cohesive and is fluent with his style of play.

Keep 2/3 of them along with a couple of other additions (a striker for a start) I think we may just go back up.

But not many teams go straight back up so it'll be tough no doubt.

We will lose a few players if we go down but Tan has a plan if we stay up or go down, from what I have heard we will have a team that can win the C'ship, Tan isn't going anywhere unless he gets his money back

I think we might be surprised how many players might stay for one season to see if we can go straight back up!!

Yes I think we will come back up..
No I don't think that's the squad that will do it..

50:50 chance id give it. Although the stadium being half empty after the expansion will have a negative effect.

I would also say that if you don't to it at the first attempt, then the odds drift dramatically each year as it will get a tougher and tougher ask.

It would not be half empty for starters & secondly the majority of championship clubs have "empty seats", you see it regularly.

Even Swansea got promoted with their crowd not being anywhere near capacity.

Most clubs seem to return at some point. You think even with selling our best players we should get an XI of

Lewis
Fabio Hudson Cala John
Eikrem Gunnarson
Kim Dæhli Campbell
Jones

With subs Moore, Turner, McNaughton, Cowie, Whitts, Berget, Maynard.

That's with Bradford, Connolly, Taylor, Kiss, Ralls, Mason, Velikonja, Harris and Healy overflowing that.

Losing Marshall, Caulker, KTC, Lappin, Smith, Medel, Mutch, Noone, Bellamy all leaving which should recoup around £15million. Really that side needs a Keeper, Winger and a Midfielder which should be feesable. Ole too might benefit from Cardiff being a bigger fish in the Championship similar to Molde.

50:50 chance id give it. Although the stadium being half empty after the expansion will have a negative effect.

I would also say that if you don't to it at the first attempt, then the odds drift dramatically each year as it will get a tougher and tougher ask.

It would not be half empty for starters & secondly the majority of championship clubs have "empty seats", you see it regularly.

Even Swansea got promoted with their crowd not being anywhere near capacity.

Dont talk wet chucks. Are you telling me going from sell outs to half empty stadiums wont impact negatively on the team?

You were getting 17,000 against the likes of Birmingham according to Annis and his mate who deal with counting the actual attendees. If you are having a 33,000 stadium then thats pretty much bang on half empty. Your £10 season tickets and price freezes has squiffed your actual attendances for a long time. Now the £10 season tickets arent available and ST's going up by 25% - i cant see you getting many,

We got promoted on a crest of a wave in terms of attendances, they were fluctuating between 16,000 and 19,000 and the atmosphere against the likes of Forest no question gave the team a boost.

To say going from 27,000 sell outs to 17,000 - 20,000 in a 33,000 stadium wont affect the atmosphere and then in turn the team is just nonsense.

I'm not talking wet, we wouldn't be half empty. You didn't get promoted on huge attendances.

You're using 17k against Birmingham (with no hard evidence) which would be the worst of last season, to the highest of your season, forest.

If you want to do a fair comparison, use the worst attendance from each season, not the best of yours and the worst of ours. I do recall you having 12-13 thousand for a few games in that promotion season.

Either that or use our home sell outs against Bolton et al... To counter your best attendance that season.

Some attendance stats for Swansea's promotion campaign.

14 September 2010 Swansea City 2 – 1 Coventry City Attendance: 12,441

10 December 2010 Swansea City 1 – 1 Millwall Attendance: 13,853

15 January 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Crystal Palace Attendance: 13,369

19 February 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Doncaster Rovers Attendance: 13,309


There was no "fluctuating around the 16-19 k mark" until the last few games.

Most other games were at 14k. It was only the last handful of games that you got 17-19k - as with us last year, we went up to 25k for the last few games.

So as I said, you either use both best attendances... Which were both full houses, or you use the worst attendances of each season. Fairness would also ensure that you use the official attendances for both clubs, as it wouldn't be a "fair test" if you used official attendances for Swansea & supposed ITK information for the other.

Anyway, I see this as futile... As I still believe we can stay up... Just!

50:50 chance id give it. Although the stadium being half empty after the expansion will have a negative effect.

I would also say that if you don't to it at the first attempt, then the odds drift dramatically each year as it will get a tougher and tougher ask.

It would not be half empty for starters & secondly the majority of championship clubs have "empty seats", you see it regularly.

Even Swansea got promoted with their crowd not being anywhere near capacity.

Dont talk wet chucks. Are you telling me going from sell outs to half empty stadiums wont impact negatively on the team?

You were getting 17,000 against the likes of Birmingham according to Annis and his mate who deal with counting the actual attendees. If you are having a 33,000 stadium then thats pretty much bang on half empty. Your £10 season tickets and price freezes has squiffed your actual attendances for a long time. Now the £10 season tickets arent available and ST's going up by 25% - i cant see you getting many,

We got promoted on a crest of a wave in terms of attendances, they were fluctuating between 16,000 and 19,000 and the atmosphere against the likes of Forest no question gave the team a boost.

To say going from 27,000 sell outs to 17,000 - 20,000 in a 33,000 stadium wont affect the atmosphere and then in turn the team is just nonsense.

When you got promoted you averaged 15,000.

Some attendance stats for Swansea's promotion campaign.

14 September 2010 Swansea City 2 – 1 Coventry City Attendance: 12,441

10 December 2010 Swansea City 1 – 1 Millwall Attendance: 13,853

15 January 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Crystal Palace Attendance: 13,369

19 February 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Doncaster Rovers Attendance: 13,309


There was no "fluctuating around the 16-19 k mark" until the last few games.

Most other games were at 14k. It was only the last handful of games that you got 17-19k - as with us last year, we went up to 25k for the last few games.

So as I said, you either use both best attendances... Which were both full houses, or you use the worst attendances of each season. Fairness would also ensure that you use the official attendances for both clubs, as it wouldn't be a "fair test" if you used official attendances for Swansea & supposed ITK information for the other.

Anyway, I see this as futile... As I still believe we can stay up... Just!

BURN!!!!!

Chuckles those facts must be wrong after all Roathie has said he never loses an argument he gets into

No way, end of PL, more probebly 1st league . All depends on Tans support.

Some attendance stats for Swansea's promotion campaign.

14 September 2010 Swansea City 2 – 1 Coventry City Attendance: 12,441

10 December 2010 Swansea City 1 – 1 Millwall Attendance: 13,853

15 January 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Crystal Palace Attendance: 13,369

19 February 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Doncaster Rovers Attendance: 13,309


There was no "fluctuating around the 16-19 k mark" until the last few games.

what so they dont count?

You are missing the point anyway. We were seeing our highest attendances in years in our promotion season, you will be going from full houses to half empty stadiums overnight - i hope you have just slipped back into old barry chuckles for a second and are just posting from a frustrated viewpoint instead of disagreeing with the obvious through your genuine thoughts.

Most other games were at 14k. It was only the last handful of games that you got 17-19k - as with us last year, we went up to 25k for the last few games.

meaning what? you had £10 season tickets, people excited for the first prem season in your history, tan was still a legend and the season tickets cost 30% less.

So as I said, you either use both best attendances... Which were both full houses, or you use the worst attendances of each season. Fairness would also ensure that you use the official attendances for both clubs, as it wouldn't be a "fair test" if you used official attendances for Swansea & supposed ITK information for the other.

or i can use common sense and say we had the highest attendances we had for years which helped us on the pitch while you will have a probable drop of 40% on your gates which will obviously affect atmosphere.

Cant actually believe im having this conversation

Anyway, I see this as futile... As I still believe we can stay up... Just!

its not futile at all. Your expansion in a season which you are favourites to go down will probably work adversely to get you back up.

I think our aim would be to stabilise in the championship for 2 or 3 years and then give it a bash, I think a 5 year plan would be put in place to get us back up again, I think the club would be more concerned not to do a Wolves and go down again, rather than worry about getting back into the big league. We are a good sized championship club

Some attendance stats for Swansea's promotion campaign.

14 September 2010 Swansea City 2 – 1 Coventry City Attendance: 12,441

10 December 2010 Swansea City 1 – 1 Millwall Attendance: 13,853

15 January 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Crystal Palace Attendance: 13,369

19 February 2011 Swansea City 3 – 0 Doncaster Rovers Attendance: 13,309


There was no "fluctuating around the 16-19 k mark" until the last few games.

what so they dont count?

You are missing the point anyway. We were seeing our highest attendances in years in our promotion season, you will be going from full houses to half empty stadiums overnight - i hope you have just slipped back into old barry chuckles for a second and are just posting from a frustrated viewpoint instead of disagreeing with the obvious through your genuine thoughts.

Most other games were at 14k. It was only the last handful of games that you got 17-19k - as with us last year, we went up to 25k for the last few games.

meaning what? you had £10 season tickets, people excited for the first prem season in your history, tan was still a legend and the season tickets cost 30% less.

So as I said, you either use both best attendances... Which were both full houses, or you use the worst attendances of each season. Fairness would also ensure that you use the official attendances for both clubs, as it wouldn't be a "fair test" if you used official attendances for Swansea & supposed ITK information for the other.

or i can use common sense and say we had the highest attendances we had for years which helped us on the pitch while you will have a probable drop of 40% on your gates which will obviously affect atmosphere.

Cant actually believe im having this conversation

Anyway, I see this as futile... As I still believe we can stay up... Just!

its not futile at all. Your expansion in a season which you are favourites to go down will probably work adversely to get you back up.

Urg I hate quoting big chunks to talk about minor aspects because it's aesthetically irritating. Although I slightly agree, the stadium expansion should help spending power when it comes to FFP and a good start then crowds should be ok.

The expansion will only bring in more spending power if the seats are filled. Empty seats dont generate money.

Naturally the likes of Caulker and Medel, possibly even Marshall, Noone and Mutch would be gone I think.

Not sure we would storm the Championship and come back up as champions - it's an incredibly difficult league to get out of, as we already know.

We'd probably be good for a top 6 place with the bare bones of our current squad.

I would expect the said players leaving for decent transfer fees to be replaced with much cheaper but never the less decent enough replacements to get us back up ,then hopefully the problems we encountered this season regarding the wastage of transfer funds to be addressed by Ole.

With Ole at the helm I have no doubt. Ole will attract big name players on the cheap even in the championship, so Tan will not need to throw millions away on players like velikonja and cornelius who would both struggle in league 1.

I also believe the money from the sales of medel and caulker will be used to help with promotion, 12 mil should see us dominate the league.

Caulker and medel were bought with the eye on resale...

The business model didn't want journeymen premier league players like Kenwyn Jones if we went down, lickily we will only have Jones.

Mutch and Marshall may have decent offers for them and we couldn't get in their way. Can't see many going in for Noone, 10 a penny slight out and out wingers, a luxury item for struggling teams and he is not good enough for top half.

Bellers retires. Taylor back to his level.Smith and lappin gone. Not sure about Cala staying, he looks too good though.

Tan sellout marshall, medel, Cala , mutch . Zaha goes back.
The money goes to pay down himself and his claim.
No new players in,
This Could also be a scenario if you only piss on him and his money in an abusing way.

Tan sellout marshall, medel, Cala , mutch . Zaha goes back.
The money goes to pay down himself and his claim.
No new players in,
This Could also be a scenario if you only piss on him and his money in an abusing way.

And no way back to PL, wolves here we come!
Hope I am wrong, but goodbye ?

Tan sellout marshall, medel, Cala , mutch . Zaha goes back.
The money goes to pay down himself and his claim.
No new players in,
This Could also be a scenario if you only piss on him and his money in an abusing way.

And no way back to PL, wolves here we come!
Hope I am wrong, but goodbye ?

How much more shit can you vomit out. Go away to somewhere you will enjoy.

What are your opinions looking at the worse case scenario and we were to get relegated ?, I think we would do well with a starting squad for next season of
Moore
Taylor
Brayford
Fabio
Nugent
Oshilaja
Hudson
Turner
John
Gunnarsson
Whittingham
Campbell
Bo-Kyung
Eikrem
Noone **
Harris
Mason
Cowie
McNaughton
Cala
Théophile-Catherine
Dæhli
Berget
Bellamy in a player coach role.

So maybe with a few top Championship players, one or two Swansea "a la mode Swansea-esque continental players and a marquee Premiership signing I think we would do ok.

I can see Marshall, Caulker, Medal, and maybe Craig Noone** who has shown he can hold is own in the Premiership all being shipped out thus recouping a large amount of money via transfer fees and reducing our wage bill to a degree, it is my opinion these players the way they have preformed this season deserve the opportunity to play in the Premiership next season.
Players I would not be surprised to see leave on frees or nominal fees are
Ralls, Smith, Connally, Kiss, Velikonjana, Lewis, Lappin, Jones ( It would not be surprise me ha if he had a pretty cute contract drawn up to suit himself if things went pear shaped) Maynard who is nowhere near the player he was before his injury, Zaha will go back to Manchester United and IMO Javi Guerra will decline the pre contact offer made to him if we were to get relegated.

Player I would not be bothered to see leave -Taylor
Player I would like to see stay- Brayford.

Too early for this talk!

What are your opinions looking at the worse case scenario and we were to get relegated ?, I think we would do well with a starting squad for next season of
Moore
Taylor
Brayford
Fabio
Nugent
Oshilaja
Hudson
Turner
John
Gunnarsson
Whittingham
Campbell
Bo-Kyung
Eikrem
Noone **
Harris
Mason
Cowie
McNaughton
Cala
Théophile-Catherine
Dæhli
Berget
Bellamy in a player coach role.

So maybe with a few top Championship players, one or two Swansea "a la mode Swansea-esque continental players and a marquee Premiership signing I think we would do ok.

I can see Marshall, Caulker, Medal, and maybe Craig Noone** who has shown he can hold is own in the Premiership all being shipped out thus recouping a large amount of money via transfer fees and reducing our wage bill to a degree, it is my opinion these players the way they have preformed this season deserve the opportunity to play in the Premiership next season.
Players I would not be surprised to see leave on frees or nominal fees are
Ralls, Smith, Connally, Kiss, Velikonjana, Lewis, Lappin, Jones ( It would not be surprise me ha if he had a pretty cute contract drawn up to suit himself if things went pear shaped) Maynard who is nowhere near the player he was before his injury, Zaha will go back to Manchester United and IMO Javi Guerra will decline the pre contact offer made to him if we were to get relegated.

Player I would not be bothered to see leave -Taylor
Player I would like to see stay- Brayford.

Too early for this talk!

I can only stress the word used " if "is accompanied with the word relegation in every mention of us going down although I have to say it is certainly not too early for this talk with 31 games gone and only 7 left.

I've got a feeling Joe Mason will be vital if we go down. His finishing is superb, class championship striker. For some reason, I can't see Marshall leaving. I know he's had an outstanding year but I can't see him leaving us. Medel, Caulker and Jones will leave. Medel and Caulker are premier league standard. I can't see anyone coming in for Noone either. I think we will have a great side in the championship, I just don't know if we're underestimating the opposition in the championship.