Swansea?

I know people moan about us talking about them on here but does anyone else think after that loss they are well in the relegation battle? I certainly do.

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I know people moan about us talking about them on here but does anyone else think after that loss they are well in the relegation battle? I certainly do.

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I was thinking that looking at the table this morning

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They have been all along , with their next games being Everton and arsenal both away coupled with teams around us playing each other they could easily find themselves in the relegation places in two weeks time

Absolutely not, we have not been in relegation trouble in our whole stint in the Premier League as far as I'm concerned.

I think we probably need an extra 4-5 points to be safe. And I cant recall ever having failed to get 4-5 points from a set of 9 games ever in the Prem, cant see that starting now with Michu, Dyer, Chico, Pablo and Shelvey all to come back next week.

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Absolutely not, we have not been in relegation trouble in our whole stint in the Premier League as far as I'm concerned.

I think we probably need an extra 4-5 points to be safe. And I cant recall ever having failed to get 4-5 points from a set of 9 games ever in the Prem, cant see that starting now with Michu, Dyer, Chico, Pablo and Shelvey all to come back next week.

You are 4 points above sunderland in last relegation place who have 2 games in hand on you . 4 points off relegation places with 9 games left is a relegation fight .
If you need 4 points to be safe that means you think you need to get to 34 , that leaves us only needing 3 wins to be safe as well , I'll take that

You are 4 points above sunderland in last relegation place who have 2 games in hand on you . 4 points off relegation places with 9 games left is a relegation fight .

we have a vastly superior goal difference meaning 5 points will needed to be gsined on us to overtake us, not 4. Sunderland are awful with one of those game in hand matches being Man City away. We are 11-1 for a reason.

If you need 4 points to be safe that means you think you need to get to 34 , that leaves us only needing 3 wins to be safe as well , I'll take that

we have the "extra point" of GD too remember. We have around a 20 goal advantage on many clubs below us. I think 35-36 points will see you safe. So you need 11 points from 8 games. Two of which are Chelsea and Liverpool.

I think the Norwich match is the crucial one for Swansea, that's the only one of their next four fixtures that they are likely to win. If they lose to Norwich, then they are going to be right in the middle of the relegation battle, and they are not exactly in great form at the minute.

You are 4 points above sunderland in last relegation place who have 2 games in hand on you . 4 points off relegation places with 9 games left is a relegation fight .

we have a vastly superior goal difference meaning 5 points will needed to be gsined on us to overtake us, not 4. Sunderland are awful with one of those game in hand matches being Man City away. We are 11-1 for a reason.

If you need 4 points to be safe that means you think you need to get to 34 , that leaves us only needing 3 wins to be safe as well , I'll take that

we have the "extra point" of GD too remember. We have around a 20 goal advantage on many clubs below us. I think 35-36 points will see you safe. So you need 11 points from 8 games. Two of which are Chelsea and Liverpool.

Goal difference may not come into it .

You have 9 games
Everton away , arsenal away , hull away , newcastle away , Chelsea home , Southampton home . All very hard games which I don't think you will get anything from maybe a draw somewhere .
That leaves norwich home , villa home and sunderland away to gain your points . Two of them are fighting for survival so will be hard games .

You have a very awkward run in IMO

You are 4 points above sunderland in last relegation place who have 2 games in hand on you . 4 points off relegation places with 9 games left is a relegation fight .

we have a vastly superior goal difference meaning 5 points will needed to be gsined on us to overtake us, not 4. Sunderland are awful with one of those game in hand matches being Man City away. We are 11-1 for a reason.

If you need 4 points to be safe that means you think you need to get to 34 , that leaves us only needing 3 wins to be safe as well , I'll take that

we have the "extra point" of GD too remember. We have around a 20 goal advantage on many clubs below us. I think 35-36 points will see you safe. So you need 11 points from 8 games. Two of which are Chelsea and Liverpool.

Goal difference may not come into it .

You have 9 games
Everton away , arsenal away , hull away , newcastle away , Chelsea home , Southampton home . All very hard games which I don't think you will get anything from maybe a draw somewhere .
That leaves norwich home , villa home and sunderland away to gain your points . Two of them are fighting for survival so will be hard games .

You have a very awkward run in IMO

Goal difference is always in it. Whatever we get come seasons end, everyone else needs 1 more point than us as a tie makes us safe. Whether it does come down to that is another matter, but when working out what we may need, that extra point is vital.

Everton away as you showed today is not as tough as it was under Moyes and a point from the game is realistic. Hull away is winnable. Newcastle away is winnable. Chelsea home could get a point. Southampton home is winnable. Norwich, Villa and Sunderland are all winnable.

The only hard game (i use the term loosely) is Chelsea and we are lucky it is home. We have held them at the Liberty before.

The rest are all pretty winnable. If we dont get 1 win and 2 draws from 9 games then we dint deserve to stay up quite frankly.

However I have no doubt that we wont pick up at least that.

Are we now not talking about finishing in the top 10 and conquering Europe?

I think you will stay up but only just , but it's still a relegation fight

If you fail to get anything at Everton and arsenal then like I said you may well find yourselves bottom 3 due to the fixtures of teams around us . Then the nerves will come into play

Are we now not talking about finishing in the top 10 and conquering Europe?

I hope not, your 19th

I think you will stay up but only just , but it's still a relegation fight

If you fail to get anything at Everton and arsenal then like I said you may well find yourselves bottom 3 due to the fixtures of teams around us . Then the nerves will come into play

Its not really though. We beat Everton then we are essentially safe only needing 1 or 2 points with 8 games remaining. Thats not a dogfight, thats mid table obscurity. Lose and we will still need only 1 win in 8.

If it comes down to the last 3 games and we are still needing a win then id agree. But needing 1 win in 9 is not a dogfight in my eyes.

I think you will stay up but only just , but it's still a relegation fight

If you fail to get anything at Everton and arsenal then like I said you may well find yourselves bottom 3 due to the fixtures of teams around us . Then the nerves will come into play

Don't be daft. A few weeks ago the fool on the hill was talking about being a top ten team and running amok in Europe.

I think you will stay up but only just , but it's still a relegation fight

If you fail to get anything at Everton and arsenal then like I said you may well find yourselves bottom 3 due to the fixtures of teams around us . Then the nerves will come into play

Its not really though. We beat Everton then we are essentially safe only needing 1 or 2 points with 8 games remaining. Thats not a dogfight, thats mid table obscurity. Lose and we will still need only 1 win in 8.

If it comes down to the last 3 games and we are still needing a win then id agree. But needing 1 win in 9 is not a dogfight in my eyes.

If we do this , if we do that ! If you beat west brom yesterday " a very winnable game " you would have a better chance .

I think you need 7 points minimum . We need 11 to make sure of survival .

Don't be daft. A few weeks ago the fool on the hill was talking about being a top ten team and running amok in Europe.

A top 10 finish is entirely possible.

I dont think ive made any such comment about Europe though, you feeling ok Mr Teenage Dirtbag?

I think you will stay up but only just , but it's still a relegation fight

If you fail to get anything at Everton and arsenal then like I said you may well find yourselves bottom 3 due to the fixtures of teams around us . Then the nerves will come into play

Its not really though. We beat Everton then we are essentially safe only needing 1 or 2 points with 8 games remaining. Thats not a dogfight, thats mid table obscurity. Lose and we will still need only 1 win in 8.

If it comes down to the last 3 games and we are still needing a win then id agree. But needing 1 win in 9 is not a dogfight in my eyes.

If we do this , if we do that ! If you beat west brom yesterday " a very winnable game " you would have a better chance .

I think you need 7 points minimum . We need 11 to make sure of survival .

It is all "ifs" as it hasn't happened yet. Just like you saying "if" you dont get anything at Everton.

Winnable games mean you have a decent chance to win them, not you will definitely win them. The more winnable games you have then the more chance you have of winning one. We have 7 or 8 winnable games left and only needing to win 1 maybe 2.

If you need 11 then we need 6. You keep forgetting GD.

If (probably when) they stay up that will "prove" rheyvwere never in the fight to roathy, even though monk said yesterday they were but what does the actual Swansea manager know eh..

The problem is you fail to realise everybody you are playing are looking at you this season and your league position and thinking exactly the same . They will be targeting you as winnable points .

Your goal difference is decent at the moment , a lot can change in 9 games there a few teams not far off yours .

If (probably when) they stay up that will "prove" rheyvwere never in the fight to roathy, even though monk said yesterday they were but what does the actual Swansea manager know eh..

And if we go down that will "prove" if were were in one.

Monk is entitled to his opinion but it is one mans view against another, ive been associated with Swansea for about 5 times longer than he has, the fact he has been made interim manager doesnt make his opinion more valid than it was before.

I will continue to back my self, im usually not far off the mark.

The problem is you fail to realise everybody you are playing are looking at you this season and your league position and thinking exactly the same . They will be targeting you as winnable points .

Your goal difference is decent at the moment , a lot can change in 9 games there a few teams not far off yours .

Absolutely agree with you. But if its the same mentality for both sides then the likelyhood of us losing out 8 times is quite slim - hence the 11-1 odds.

I think we are the best side outside the top 10 and with Michu, Dyer, Pablo, Chico and Shelvey coming back next week I have no concerns what so ever.

If (probably when) they stay up that will "prove" rheyvwere never in the fight to roathy, even though monk said yesterday they were but what does the actual Swansea manager know eh..

And if we go down that will "prove" if were were in one.

Monk is entitled to his opinion but it is one mans view against another, ive been associated with Swansea for about 5 times longer than he has, the fact he has been made interim manager doesnt make his opinion more valid than it was before.

I will continue to back my self, im usually not far off the mark.

You are in f*cking believable

If (probably when) they stay up that will "prove" rheyvwere never in the fight to roathy, even though monk said yesterday they were but what does the actual Swansea manager know eh..

And if we go down that will "prove" if were were in one.

Monk is entitled to his opinion but it is one mans view against another, ive been associated with Swansea for about 5 times longer than he has, the fact he has been made interim manager doesnt make his opinion more valid than it was before.

I will continue to back my self, im usually not far off the mark.

You are in f*cking believable

But you and I both think I will end up being right again. Go figure.

Everton have just won 7 home games on the trot! Obviously, not as tough to beat at home under Martinez as were under Moyes!

Everton have just won 7 home games on the trot! Obviously, not as tough to beat at home under Martinez as were under Moyes!

Yet there are many here that think you should have won? Up until Yesterday we had only lost 1 in 7. Its the way it goes.

If (probably when) they stay up that will "prove" rheyvwere never in the fight to roathy, even though monk said yesterday they were but what does the actual Swansea manager know eh..

I will tell you a little story.

When I was 16, I worked part time in Tesco's. It was Xmas time and my second week there - the manager of the store was telling us all to drive sales by work ethic in the morning meeting. He was very boastful that morning saying "yesterday a man came in and bought 250 cases of the £15 on offer Budweiser, so I sorted him out a pallet out the back and made the company £400 odd in seconds".

I took my gun, scanned the barcode and it said "margin -11%". So I spoke up and said to the manager who was accompanied by the GSM, "surely if we are losing 11% on each case and the offer is a "loss leader" to basically entice people through the door - in which profits are then made by other purchases... Then why the hell would you sell them all to one man who bought nothing else? You lost the company money not made the company money"

The GSM clapped his hands and said to the manager "see what I mean". From then on restrictions were put on sale items to customers.

The moral of the story is, dont let someones job title threaten your own thoughts.

Monk had them playing again the first few games but now they've gone off the boil, it's up to him to get them playing like they did against us but he's inexperienced at this level and may make the wrong choices, he doesn't strike me as an amazingly smart manager when I see his press conferences. But I wouldn't rule them out of the relegation battle just yet

If (probably when) they stay up that will "prove" rheyvwere never in the fight to roathy, even though monk said yesterday they were but what does the actual Swansea manager know eh..

I will tell you a little story.

When I was 16, I worked part time in Tesco's. It was Xmas time and my second week there - the manager of the store was telling us all to drive sales by work ethic in the morning meeting. He was very boastful that morning saying "yesterday a man came in and bought 250 cases of the £15 on offer Budweiser, so I sorted him out a pallet out the back and made the company £400 odd in seconds".

I took my gun, scanned the barcode and it said "margin -11%". So I spoke up and said to the manager who was accompanied by the GSM, "surely if we are losing 11% on each case and the offer is a "loss leader" to basically entice people through the door - in which profits are then made by other purchases... Then why the hell would you sell them all to one man who bought nothing else? You lost the company money not made the company money"

The GSM clapped his hands and said to the manager "see what I mean". From then on restrictions were put on sale items to customers.

The moral of the story is, dont let someones job title threaten your own thoughts.

What a lovely story the Swansea manager and the pundits are all wrong because you say your not in it at this moment in time and the table lies as well. Cardiff are obviously deep in the mire and will have to do better in the last quarter of the season than the previous three quarters which is extremely doubtful but were realistic about it. You are saying if we win this game and that game we'll be alright. the last two weeks when it's been suggested to you your not far away you have said but when we beat palace and then when we beat w.b.a. We should be o.k. They were winnable games against two teams below you and struggling for form and you were at home. You dropped points against both. Get real until you get those points your in the mix like most people recognise

Monk had them playing again the first few games but now they've gone off the boil, it's up to him to get them playing like they did against us but he's inexperienced at this level and may make the wrong choices, he doesn't strike me as an amazingly smart manager when I see his press conferences. But I wouldn't rule them out of the relegation battle just yet

He has no experience whatsoever.
He has not even managed a reserve side.
Relegation battle nerves will be rife.
Let Roathie have his usual tuppence worth.
What he say's is not worth a light.
Best way to find out how it pans out, is to wait and see.

Can't see how this Roath Magic person can have any time to watch football. With about 300 posts a week just on this forum, he must spend most of his life in front of a keyboard. Sad.