' No one person is bigger than our club '

Very good article written by Castleblue

' No One Person Is Bigger Than Our Football Club '
By Gary Field
http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2014/03/0 ... ball-club/

Excellent piece Gary


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Excellent article by Castleblue, who has always been fair and balanced and even supported Tan in his earlier stages

Excellent article Gary.

Through the many conversations I have had with you regarding Tan I know you were very supportive of his investment and input at the club but it is clear you have become very disillusioned with his behaviour.

its hard to not be disillusioned.
but it is possible he is bigger than the club.............its only 1 of many businesses he has,and although no one likes to lose money its something he has plenty of..he can KILL this club.
the saying is know your enemy..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

He has killed the club and will destroy it completely given another season or two. Propping up Tan will only accelerate this process. Telling us Tan can kill us off at any time may be correct but before long there will be nothing of my club left worth preserving anyway unless we make a last stand whilst we still can. And by the way the reality is that we will soon be in the championship playing against Yeovil away.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

good post,certain people want tan gone but have no idea what happens to the club if he goes.
maybe sam the saviour will step in

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

good post,certain people want tan gone but have no idea what happens to the club if he goes.
maybe sam the saviour will step in

Steve if your so happy with Tan and how were run, why wont u renew your season ticket for next season?

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

good post,certain people want tan gone but have no idea what happens to the club if he goes.
maybe sam the saviour will step in

Steve if your so happy with Tan and how were run, why wont u renew your season ticket for next season?

A brilliant and valid question, very good post. AND THIS IS YOUR ANSWER???

Look again Pete it looks like a question to me.

I love Steve Davies posts if I knew who he was id buy him a pint today

Annis where does Steve profess hes so happy with Tan hes just calling it like it us and its very hard to disagree with his logic.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

So you think it's ok to put up with our club being hijacked and the fans blackmailed into supporting a rebrand they oppose. This is clearly wrong and although there is a risk associated in driving Tan away and we all acknowledge this but it is sometimes better that we take a chance of going for glory even if it means being put out of our misery with our heads held high rather than present ourselves arse up in the air to a dictator and suffer the same fate in the end by death of a thousand cuts. Remember there is no guarantee that once relegated he would not pull the plug if we did not go straight back up anyway so we might roll over and still suffer the same fate. I just can't see Tan getting the same prestige out of us when he invites his high power friends over to watch us play Yeovil at home in the championship.

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

So you think it's ok to put up with our club being hijacked and the fans blackmailed into supporting a rebrand they oppose. This is clearly wrong and although there is a risk associated in driving Tan away and we all acknowledge this but it is sometimes better that we take a chance of going for glory even if it means being put out of our misery with our heads held high rather than present ourselves arse up in the air to a dictator and suffer the same fate in the end by death of a thousand cuts. Remember there is no guarantee that once relegated he would not pull the plug if we did not go straight back up anyway so we might roll over and still suffer the same fate. I just can't see Tan getting the same prestige out of us when he invites his high power friends over to watch us play Yeovil at home in the championship.

The question still remains, and give it a good long think why dont you? What is the end product of tan leaving? So far annis have never answer this, whitch is pretty horrendous given the magnitude of his campain..

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

It you want to be pedantic then I will use Huddersfield instead.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

So you think it's ok to put up with our club being hijacked and the fans blackmailed into supporting a rebrand they oppose. This is clearly wrong and although there is a risk associated in driving Tan away and we all acknowledge this but it is sometimes better that we take a chance of going for glory even if it means being put out of our misery with our heads held high rather than present ourselves arse up in the air to a dictator and suffer the same fate in the end by death of a thousand cuts. Remember there is no guarantee that once relegated he would not pull the plug if we did not go straight back up anyway so we might roll over and still suffer the same fate. I just can't see Tan getting the same prestige out of us when he invites his high power friends over to watch us play Yeovil at home in the championship.

The question still remains, and give it a good long think why dont you? What is the end product of tan leaving? So far annis have never answer this, whitch is pretty horrendous given the magnitude of his campain..

I do know based on what's happened so far that the result of Tan staying is the eradication of the club I love. The end product of Tan leaving is hypothetical and no one really knows for sure so it's pointless painting a doomsday scenario or a rosy picture as we simply do not know. The debate is do we keep Tan and see him destroy what is left of our club or do we take a chance on getting rid of him. It's a gamble for sure but may be worth it to preserve the little bit of our great club that remains.

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

It you want to be pedantic then I will use Huddersfield instead.

Loads of pedantic on here mate. Spelling mistake etc, they're on you!

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

It you want to be pedantic then I will use Huddersfield instead.

Loads of pedantic on here mate. Spelling mistake etc, they're on you!

If I questioned the grammar you used then I suppose that would be pedantic also.

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

It you want to be pedantic then I will use Huddersfield instead.

Loads of pedantic on here mate. Spelling mistake etc, they're on you!

If I questioned the grammar you used then I suppose that would be pedantic also.

Of course it would.

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

It you want to be pedantic then I will use Huddersfield instead.

Big club

Yeovil are getting relegated so that wont happen.

It's just an example.

A poor one

It you want to be pedantic then I will use Huddersfield instead.

Big club

Not that big when you are trying to impress the Malaysian prime minister.

what about asking those who wants tan out why they have renewed there season tickets rather than asking steve why he has not hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

what about asking those who wants tan out why they have renewed there season tickets rather than asking steve why he has not hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

A valid point here, Steve

As for the one man bigger than a club debate...


I've been carrying a few more lbs than usual.



BatFastard.

..........well people have taken to the streets with tan out banners and abusive chants without thought to the havoc he could reek if he chooses to...........
scares the f**k out of me quite simply because of the amount of money involved,and no alternative backer.....

I think you will find that Tan has already wreaked havoc.

we are in the prem playing to full houses............this is really not havoc........he can kill the club,anyone that thinks otherwise,just doesnt want to think about it or just doesnt care.........thats YOUR choice......i do care....have done for over 40 years

With the way the British press has started using any sort of non story to give him negative publicity and the forthcoming march I would not be surprised if he walked away at the end of the season especially as we will probably be relegated anyway.
Even as stubborn and as egotistical as tan is there will be a breaking point and I think relegation will be it.
There's a popular theory that he cannot afford to walk away because of the money owed to him but as I see it there are two options the first is that upon relegation he converts debt to equity and sells the club on to someone else who could use their own cash and the parachute payments to purchase the club.
The second option is that he has a fire sale of assets gets as much money back as possible and withdraws all financial support plunging us into administration and then possibly liquidation.
The fact that he has signed up to the same agreement as bill gates in where they will give half of their personal fortunes to charity allows him to write the money off owed to him by the football club because to me that agreement means that money is not the most important thing in his life as people would have you believe.
People need to be careful what they wish for because for all of the bluster of driving tan out and the rather be blue in division two merchants the main protagonists have no idea what would happen to their club if they achieved their aim in driving tan away from the club.
As a final point if tan actually turned around after the Liverpool game and said right i will ballot all existing season ticket holders and the choice would be I stay at the club continue to invest my money to get us back in to the premier league but we stay red or I withdraw financial support at the end of the season and you find yourselves a new owner prepared to pump millions into the club whilst you dictate the colour of the shirt.
This is where I think you would find the 90% of support tan claims to have would come forward.
The reality is we can all shout from the rooftops about despising tan and his rebrand and driving him from the club but if he walked we would all be shitting ourselves worrying if our club was going to disappear overnight.

So you think it's ok to put up with our club being hijacked and the fans blackmailed into supporting a rebrand they oppose. This is clearly wrong and although there is a risk associated in driving Tan away and we all acknowledge this but it is sometimes better that we take a chance of going for glory even if it means being put out of our misery with our heads held high rather than present ourselves arse up in the air to a dictator and suffer the same fate in the end by death of a thousand cuts. Remember there is no guarantee that once relegated he would not pull the plug if we did not go straight back up anyway so we might roll over and still suffer the same fate. I just can't see Tan getting the same prestige out of us when he invites his high power friends over to watch us play Yeovil at home in the championship.

The question still remains, and give it a good long think why dont you? What is the end product of tan leaving? So far annis have never answer this, whitch is pretty horrendous given the magnitude of his campain..

I do know based on what's happened so far that the result of Tan staying is the eradication of the club I love. The end product of Tan leaving is hypothetical and no one really knows for sure so it's pointless painting a doomsday scenario or a rosy picture as we simply do not know. The debate is do we keep Tan and see him destroy what is left of our club or do we take a chance on getting rid of him. It's a gamble for sure but may be worth it to preserve the little bit of our great club that remains.

This sums our fanbase up both good opinions and shows exactly why this pointless exercise has ruined our club. I'm with you bluebird 64 on this one would rather take the gamble than have this man ridicule-and divide our club anymore. I don't want the doomsday scenario either if that is extinction but only the bluebird left at the moment and to me once that goes its extinct anyway.

Good read