so debt 70-80 m or 150 m poll

poll

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

some are saying we are 150 million in debt and tan is saying all creditors have been paid off and now we are 70-80 one of statements are wrong or are both statements wrong ?just getting to see what board members think

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

some are saying we are 150 million in debt and tan is saying all creditors have been paid off and now we are 70-80 one of statements are wrong or are both statements wrong ?just getting to see what board members think

The debt figure will change every month.

He can also say "its only £80m" and leave out payments due, but not due yet. You could still owe another £30m on the transfers you have already bought (which is likely considering most clubs amortise transfers).

In which case your debt stands at £110m in reality, plus whatever Tan has to cover monthly.

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

some are saying we are 150 million in debt and tan is saying all creditors have been paid off and now we are 70-80 one of statements are wrong or are both statements wrong ?just getting to see what board members think

The debt figure will change every month.

He can also say "its only £80m" and leave out payments due, but not due yet. You could still owe another £30m on the transfers you have already bought (which is likely considering most clubs amortise transfers).

In which case your debt stands at £110m in reality, plus whatever Tan has to cover monthly.

tan doesnt have to cover anything monthly this season that is what people are not getting ,tickets sales ,tv money and general turn over will cover that this season the club have said we will make a profit this season carl confirmed this in an update before christmas

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

some are saying we are 150 million in debt and tan is saying all creditors have been paid off and now we are 70-80 one of statements are wrong or are both statements wrong ?just getting to see what board members think

The debt figure will change every month.

He can also say "its only £80m" and leave out payments due, but not due yet. You could still owe another £30m on the transfers you have already bought (which is likely considering most clubs amortise transfers).

In which case your debt stands at £110m in reality, plus whatever Tan has to cover monthly.

tan doesnt have to cover anything monthly this season that is what people are not getting ,tickets sales ,tv money and general turn over will cover that this season the club have said we will make a profit this season carl confirmed this in an update before christmas

Nobody knows of tan has to cover things. It depends how things are and were paid.

You wont make a profit though, thats for absolutely sure. Update or not, i can categorically assure you of that.

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

some are saying we are 150 million in debt and tan is saying all creditors have been paid off and now we are 70-80 one of statements are wrong or are both statements wrong ?just getting to see what board members think

The debt figure will change every month.

He can also say "its only £80m" and leave out payments due, but not due yet. You could still owe another £30m on the transfers you have already bought (which is likely considering most clubs amortise transfers).

In which case your debt stands at £110m in reality, plus whatever Tan has to cover monthly.

tan doesnt have to cover anything monthly this season that is what people are not getting ,tickets sales ,tv money and general turn over will cover that this season the club have said we will make a profit this season carl confirmed this in an update before christmas

Nobody knows of tan has to cover things. It depends how things are and were paid.

You wont make a profit though, thats for absolutely sure. Update or not, i can categorically assure you of that.

i forgot that you roathy is the accountant for cardiff city and know everything we will wait and see

You don't have to know everything, just work it out.

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs and costs bared from last year.

Canton fairies maybe?

This poll is about as factually correct as Tan, zero.

some are saying we are 150 million in debt and tan is saying all creditors have been paid off and now we are 70-80 one of statements are wrong or are both statements wrong ?just getting to see what board members think

The debt figure will change every month.

He can also say "its only £80m" and leave out payments due, but not due yet. You could still owe another £30m on the transfers you have already bought (which is likely considering most clubs amortise transfers).

In which case your debt stands at £110m in reality, plus whatever Tan has to cover monthly.

tan doesnt have to cover anything monthly this season that is what people are not getting ,tickets sales ,tv money and general turn over will cover that this season the club have said we will make a profit this season carl confirmed this in an update before christmas

Did carls update cover January transfers or milkys sacking or ogs massive salary?

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs.

Canton fairies maybe?

40 million transfers fee you said 50 million on another thread even if its is 40 m transfers and 40 m wage bill over turnover will be over 100 m so its covered or is tan still puting monthly monies in

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs and costs bared from last year.

Canton fairies maybe?

Just balancing up your one sided posts, as you've only mentioned money going out and avoided the huge amount of money coming in!

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs and costs bared from last year.

Canton fairies maybe?

Just balancing up your one sided posts, as you've only mentioned money going out and avoided the huge amount of money coming in!

i think everyone is fully aware of the money coming in. It isnt huge though, you have spent it already and more - so how can it make a dent it the debt. That means it rises not falls.

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs and costs bared from last year.

Canton fairies maybe?

Just balancing up your one sided posts, as you've only mentioned money going out and avoided the huge amount of money coming in!

totally argee roathy and the jack trolls on here are forgetting our incomes which will be huge this season hospitality is 100% the clubs this season and with it being sold out or nearly sold out this season will give us great revenues ,increased sponsorship etc and the large tv money we might have spent over 80 million out but our income will be more than that also with no creditors to pay we are in great shape compared to last season

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs and costs bared from last year.

Canton fairies maybe?

Just balancing up your one sided posts, as you've only mentioned money going out and avoided the huge amount of money coming in!

i think everyone is fully aware of the money coming in. It isnt huge though, you have spent it already and more - so how can it make a dent it the debt. That means it rises not falls.

bullshit

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs.

Canton fairies maybe?

40 million transfers fee you said 50 million on another thread even if its is 40 m transfers and 40 m wage bill over turnover will be over 100 m so its covered or is tan still puting monthly monies in

Turnover will not be £100m, it will be more like £80m.

As for transfers, its well documented. Its between £40m and £50m, im trying to give you best case scenarios. Just like £40m wages, its probably more like £50m.

You will make a £20m loss this year minimum. Just depends how tan wants to write it or when he wants to take the hit, this year or next.

I really hope you don't do your own accounts Wez.

where has anybody ignored income ffs?

This thread is getting loopier by the minute

Minimum of £61 million in Sky TV money should make a huge dent in the debt!

So who pays the £40m (generously low) a year wages and £40m transfer fees then? Thats without touching operating costs.

Canton fairies maybe?

40 million transfers fee you said 50 million on another thread even if its is 40 m transfers and 40 m wage bill over turnover will be over 100 m so its covered or is tan still puting monthly monies in

Turnover will not be £100m, it will be more like £80m.

As for transfers, its well documented. Its between £40m and £50m, im trying to give you best case scenarios. Just like £40m wages, its probably more like £50m.

You will make a £20m loss this year minimum. Just depends how tan wants to write it or when he wants to take the hit, this year or next.

how can you say tunover will be 80 million ,so your saying that 63 million tv and only 17 million other income ??? you are off your rocker it will be around the 100 million mark roathy we are not swansea with 18k crowds and hardly no hospitallity

So we've already received our Sky TV money, even though it's dependent on where each club finishes in the table?

I really hope you don't do your own accounts Wez.

so you think we will only turn over 80 m this season mr chuckles ? we will not make a loss this season

how can you say tunover will be 80 million ,so your saying that 63 million tv and only 17 million other income ??? you are off your rocker it will be around the 100 million mark roathy we are not swansea with 18k crowds and hardly no hospitallity

£63m for TV money.
£8m sponsorship
£8m season tickets
£2m merchandise and hospitality

Ive been generous once again - that makes £80m. Again its probably slightly less.

I really hope you don't do your own accounts Wez.

so you think we will only turn over 80 m this season mr chuckles ? we will not make a loss this season

Where is this extra 20 million coming from then?

So we've already received our Sky TV money, even though it's dependent on where each club finishes in the table?

Please tell me this isnt a serious post?

So we've already received our Sky TV money, even though it's dependent on where each club finishes in the table?

Please tell me this isnt a serious post?

You're supposedly the financial whizz kid, so answer the question!

I really hope you don't do your own accounts Wez.

so you think we will only turn over 80 m this season mr chuckles ? we will not make a loss this season

Where is this extra 20 million coming from then?

premier club ticket sales 100% the clubs this season ,sponsorship increased ticket sales home and away sales ,shirt sales etc the kids are lapping it up sponsorship is a big one you noticed all the new boards around the stadium ?

premier club ticket sales 100% the clubs this season ,sponsorship increased ticket sales home and away sales ,shirt sales etc the kids are lapping it up sponsorship is a big one you noticed all the new boards around the stadium ?

20 million for all that?!

Shirt sales aren't exactly high anyway. Oh and all those new boards around the stadium - who owns all those companies?!

Have a think Wez.

I really hope you don't do your own accounts Wez.

so you think we will only turn over 80 m this season mr chuckles ? we will not make a loss this season

Where is this extra 20 million coming from then?

premier club ticket sales 100% the clubs this season ,sponsorship increased ticket sales home and away sales ,shirt sales etc the kids are lapping it up sponsorship is a big one you noticed all the new boards around the stadium ?

20 million quids worth of new boards? Ok then. Speak to Mr. Chuckle as we will be able to explain it to you without putting your back up about having to agree with a jack on this one.

You're supposedly the financial whizz kid, so answer the question!

Im amazed I have to answer it to be honest

The TV money is already paid, prize money hasn't been paid yet. But guaranteed income for bottom side is £61m (I believe). Its 750k or £1m per place higher.

So if income this year is £62-£65m (realistically) and other income is £15m ish then that makes an income of £80m.

If you spend £40m on transfers, £40m on wages (its surely more), £5m on operating fees, £6m of transfers owed from last year.... That makes an outgoing of £90m ish - again it is probably more like £100m.

Thats a defect of £20m. Tan can write it as he likes in a way, depending on when he wants to pay things. But the business actions from this year will see a deficit of at least £20m - whether he will decide to bare it this year or next remains to be seen.