Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:45 am
Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:54 am
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:04 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:09 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:There was a lot of anti-Malky stuff on here and in the stadium. Maybe hate is a strong word, but in my opinion the ones calling for him to be sacked acted disgracefully and showed signs of bottling being a fan in a relegation scrap.
To be honest I haven;t really enjoyed a home game for quite some time, however I would rather watch a 0-0 stalemate where our players wear their hearts on their sleeves and battle for each other for 90 minutes, than a bunch of overpaid fairies who have no loyalty to Cardiff and fanny out of challenges. Kenwyne Jones, Zaha, Fabio etc, have no loyalty to Cardiff, they are here to pick up a premiership wage. Do you think they will lose sleep like us fans if we get relegated? Will they f**k.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:10 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:14 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:15 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:There are several on here who hate Malky. Totally unnecessary too.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:16 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:Good lad, seeing as u spout some of the biggest load of crap on this forum, I was kinda hoping for the input of some posters who actually like a good debate and discussion. I did not state Malky only bought players who care about the club at any point. WHy don't you use the time you are saving by ignoring this thread to go and find your missing chromosome
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:18 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:There are several on here who hate Malky. Totally unnecessary too.
I can't understand it to be honest, yes he made some mistakes but he can leave this club with his head held high, and will go down as one of the best all time Cardiff managers!
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:22 pm
CraigCCFC wrote:Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:Good lad, seeing as u spout some of the biggest load of crap on this forum, I was kinda hoping for the input of some posters who actually like a good debate and discussion. I did not state Malky only bought players who care about the club at any point. WHy don't you use the time you are saving by ignoring this thread to go and find your missing chromosome
Yes you did. You claimed Oles signings had no loyalty and you preferred Malkys as they cared. You wrote that, not me.
What a plum.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:24 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:30 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:This is what happens when you are one of the worst teams in the league and try to play open attractive football. The amount of people on here that were crying out for Malky's 'negativity' to be replaced by an attack minded manager was nothing short of crazy. Well now you have it, what's the outcome? Our confidence has never been lower, we get outplayed every week and our ability to scrap our way to points doesn't seem to be there anymore.
Now we have an attack minded manager, we are more exposed than ever and don't seem to have addressed our goal drought issues. Some people's expectation levels are crazy, we were never going to take this league by storm, anyone predicting anything other than a relegation dogfight is either extremely optimistic or has no real idea about football. It was never going to be pretty, but hey at least we can watch a few Zaha stepovers as we get relegated.![]()
I will give Ole a chance but so far I am not impressed, anyone who is involved in a relegation dogfight and presents Kenwyne Jones as a solution needs their head seeing to. A couple of our signings look decent, but on the whole, he has signed a lot of lightweight players who don't look ready for a relegation dogfight. Physically, we are a lot weaker than we have been for years, especially in midfield.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:32 pm
CraigCCFC wrote:Do you really want to start a tit for tat abuse thread? I will win hands down. If so pm me so this thread doesnt get derailed please.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:34 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:This is what happens when you are one of the worst teams in the league and try to play open attractive football. The amount of people on here that were crying out for Malky's 'negativity' to be replaced by an attack minded manager was nothing short of crazy. Well now you have it, what's the outcome? Our confidence has never been lower, we get outplayed every week and our ability to scrap our way to points doesn't seem to be there anymore.
Now we have an attack minded manager, we are more exposed than ever and don't seem to have addressed our goal drought issues. Some people's expectation levels are crazy, we were never going to take this league by storm, anyone predicting anything other than a relegation dogfight is either extremely optimistic or has no real idea about football. It was never going to be pretty, but hey at least we can watch a few Zaha stepovers as we get relegated.![]()
I will give Ole a chance but so far I am not impressed, anyone who is involved in a relegation dogfight and presents Kenwyne Jones as a solution needs their head seeing to. A couple of our signings look decent, but on the whole, he has signed a lot of lightweight players who don't look ready for a relegation dogfight. Physically, we are a lot weaker than we have been for years, especially in midfield.
Totally agree mate. I will always stick up for Malky and it's clear to see we are a lot worse off now. At least we were battling and fighting for points under Malky. But now, it doesn't seem we have the passion or guts for a relegation battle anymore.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:38 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:46 pm
RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:48 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:50 pm
PartyWithOle wrote:(steve davies) posted that the players referred to him as Milky
hmmmmm, no wonder they played so well for him
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:52 pm
RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:53 pm
RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:58 pm
Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:59 pm
RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:02 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
I think you're being a little harsh on Malky's style. As a newly promoted team, I had no problem with Malky being negative away from home, even at Crystal Palace. I think every point away from home is a bonus in this league. We also played 9 home games under Malky with 7 of those 9 home games being against teams currently in the top 9 of the league, so Malky had no other option but to set us up negatively at home as well. We still picked up some good results at home which kept us above the relegation zone all season (apart from the first day) and our only 2 home games against current bottom half of the league opposition - Swansea and West Brom, we won 1-0. This shows Malky would have been capable of picking up wins at home against the bottom half teams in the second half of the season to keep us up. I don't know what more Malky could have done to be honest.
But unfortunately, we have a deluded owner who thinks we can attack teams and win games with style. We also have deluded fans who wanted to see more exciting football and I suppose they are getting that, watching us concede 2 goals at home to Wigan, 3 at Swansea etc. We have gone from an organised unit who could grind out results to an open, vulnerable soft touch. I will not blame Ole mind, he seems a good guy and he wants us to play a certain way. But drastically changing the good work Malky has done half way through the season was suicidal. But that's not Ole's fault, there's only one egotistical man to blame for letting his personal jealousy of Malky's popularity interfere with what's best for our club. If we get relegated, it will all be Vincent Tan's fault.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:10 pm
super kev legend wrote:[q]="Tonteg Bluebird"]RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
I think you're being a little harsh on Malky's style. As a newly promoted team, I had no problem with Malky being negative away from home, even at Crystal Palace. I think every point away from home is a bonus in this league. We also played 9 home games under Malky with 7 of those 9 home games being against teams currently in the top 9 of the league, so Malky had no other option but to set us up negatively at home as well. We still picked up some good results at home which kept us above the relegation zone all season (apart from the first day) and our only 2 home games against current bottom half of the league opposition - Swansea and West Brom, we won 1-0. This shows Malky would have been capable of picking up wins at home against the bottom half teams in the second half of the season to keep us up. I don't know what more Malky could have done to be honest.
But unfortunately, we have a deluded owner who thinks we can attack teams and win games with style. We also have deluded fans who wanted to see more exciting football and I suppose they are getting that, watching us concede 2 goals at home to Wigan, 3 at Swansea etc. We have gone from an organised unit who could grind out results to an open, vulnerable soft touch. I will not blame Ole mind, he seems a good guy and he wants us to play a certain way. But drastically changing the good work Malky has done half way through the season was suicidal. But that's not Ole's fault, there's only one egotistical man to blame for letting his personal jealousy of Malky's popularity interfere with what's best for our club. If we get relegated, it will all be Vincent Tan's fault.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:13 pm
Jorn Schwinkendorf wrote:There was a lot of anti-Malky stuff on here and in the stadium. Maybe hate is a strong word, but in my opinion the ones calling for him to be sacked acted disgracefully and showed signs of bottling being a fan in a relegation scrap.
To be honest I haven;t really enjoyed a home game for quite some time, however I would rather watch a 0-0 stalemate where our players wear their hearts on their sleeves and battle for each other for 90 minutes, than a bunch of overpaid fairies who have no loyalty to Cardiff and fanny out of challenges. Kenwyne Jones, Zaha, Fabio etc, have no loyalty to Cardiff, they are here to pick up a premiership wage. Do you think they will lose sleep like us fans if we get relegated? Will they f**k.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:25 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
I think you're being a little harsh on Malky's style. As a newly promoted team, I had no problem with Malky being negative away from home, even at Crystal Palace. I think every point away from home is a bonus in this league. We also played 9 home games under Malky with 7 of those 9 home games being against teams currently in the top 9 of the league, so Malky had no other option but to set us up negatively at home as well. We still picked up some good results at home which kept us above the relegation zone all season (apart from the first day) and our only 2 home games against current bottom half of the league opposition - Swansea and West Brom, we won 1-0. This shows Malky would have been capable of picking up wins at home against the bottom half teams in the second half of the season to keep us up. I don't know what more Malky could have done to be honest.
But unfortunately, we have a deluded owner who thinks we can attack teams and win games with style. We also have deluded fans who wanted to see more exciting football and I suppose they are getting that, watching us concede 2 goals at home to Wigan, 3 at Swansea etc. We have gone from an organised unit who could grind out results to an open, vulnerable soft touch. I will not blame Ole mind, he seems a good guy and he wants us to play a certain way. But drastically changing the good work Malky has done half way through the season was suicidal. But that's not Ole's fault, there's only one egotistical man to blame for letting his personal jealousy of Malky's popularity interfere with what's best for our club. If we get relegated, it will all be Vincent Tan's fault.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:25 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
I think you're being a little harsh on Malky's style. As a newly promoted team, I had no problem with Malky being negative away from home, even at Crystal Palace. I think every point away from home is a bonus in this league. We also played 9 home games under Malky with 7 of those 9 home games being against teams currently in the top 9 of the league, so Malky had no other option but to set us up negatively at home as well. We still picked up some good results at home which kept us above the relegation zone all season (apart from the first day) and our only 2 home games against current bottom half of the league opposition - Swansea and West Brom, we won 1-0. This shows Malky would have been capable of picking up wins at home against the bottom half teams in the second half of the season to keep us up. I don't know what more Malky could have done to be honest.
But unfortunately, we have a deluded owner who thinks we can attack teams and win games with style. We also have deluded fans who wanted to see more exciting football and I suppose they are getting that, watching us concede 2 goals at home to Wigan, 3 at Swansea etc. We have gone from an organised unit who could grind out results to an open, vulnerable soft touch. I will not blame Ole mind, he seems a good guy and he wants us to play a certain way. But drastically changing the good work Malky has done half way through the season was suicidal. But that's not Ole's fault, there's only one egotistical man to blame for letting his personal jealousy of Malky's popularity interfere with what's best for our club. If we get relegated, it will all be Vincent Tan's fault.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:31 pm
Kenfig Blue wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
I think you're being a little harsh on Malky's style. As a newly promoted team, I had no problem with Malky being negative away from home, even at Crystal Palace. I think every point away from home is a bonus in this league. We also played 9 home games under Malky with 7 of those 9 home games being against teams currently in the top 9 of the league, so Malky had no other option but to set us up negatively at home as well. We still picked up some good results at home which kept us above the relegation zone all season (apart from the first day) and our only 2 home games against current bottom half of the league opposition - Swansea and West Brom, we won 1-0. This shows Malky would have been capable of picking up wins at home against the bottom half teams in the second half of the season to keep us up. I don't know what more Malky could have done to be honest.
But unfortunately, we have a deluded owner who thinks we can attack teams and win games with style. We also have deluded fans who wanted to see more exciting football and I suppose they are getting that, watching us concede 2 goals at home to Wigan, 3 at Swansea etc. We have gone from an organised unit who could grind out results to an open, vulnerable soft touch. I will not blame Ole mind, he seems a good guy and he wants us to play a certain way. But drastically changing the good work Malky has done half way through the season was suicidal. But that's not Ole's fault, there's only one egotistical man to blame for letting his personal jealousy of Malky's popularity interfere with what's best for our club. If we get relegated, it will all be Vincent Tan's fault.
We lost 3-0 at home under malky against Southampton2-0 away palace
4-1 to Chelsea
2-0 to west ham
3-0 to arsenal
2-0 to villa
3-1 to Liverpool
So that's 19 goals from 7 games, malky leaked goals like a tap.
Ole has conceded 14 goals from his first 7 games.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:33 pm
CraigCCFC wrote:Everytime I ask this nobody answers.
How were we hard to beat under Malky???
When he left only Crystal palace had a poorer defensive record and only Fulham had a worse goalscoring record. We played the top teams at home so from a defensive point of view that was easier than facing them away.
Can someone please answer this total myth.
Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:39 pm
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Kenfig Blue wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:RFMH wrote:I don't think anyone hates Malky, the main issue is that Cardiff were so negative but yet didn't have a great defensive record in the league.
He'd spent enough money to get two decent squad players for the price of Cornelius. Played Odemwingie woefully out of position, spent money on Brayford for no reason and spent the summer chasing players that he didn't get. Also his treatment of Noone was questionable at best.
Obviously not everything was his fault. Tan really turned up the crazy and made his job basically unworkable and he deserves serious credit for remaining professional during that period.
Overall he did a fantastic job, cup final, play offs then title winners. But ultimately his style became dour and he was unwilling to change. Playing such a negative team against Palace was really unforgivable.
I think you're being a little harsh on Malky's style. As a newly promoted team, I had no problem with Malky being negative away from home, even at Crystal Palace. I think every point away from home is a bonus in this league. We also played 9 home games under Malky with 7 of those 9 home games being against teams currently in the top 9 of the league, so Malky had no other option but to set us up negatively at home as well. We still picked up some good results at home which kept us above the relegation zone all season (apart from the first day) and our only 2 home games against current bottom half of the league opposition - Swansea and West Brom, we won 1-0. This shows Malky would have been capable of picking up wins at home against the bottom half teams in the second half of the season to keep us up. I don't know what more Malky could have done to be honest.
But unfortunately, we have a deluded owner who thinks we can attack teams and win games with style. We also have deluded fans who wanted to see more exciting football and I suppose they are getting that, watching us concede 2 goals at home to Wigan, 3 at Swansea etc. We have gone from an organised unit who could grind out results to an open, vulnerable soft touch. I will not blame Ole mind, he seems a good guy and he wants us to play a certain way. But drastically changing the good work Malky has done half way through the season was suicidal. But that's not Ole's fault, there's only one egotistical man to blame for letting his personal jealousy of Malky's popularity interfere with what's best for our club. If we get relegated, it will all be Vincent Tan's fault.
We lost 3-0 at home under malky against Southampton2-0 away palace
4-1 to Chelsea
2-0 to west ham
3-0 to arsenal
2-0 to villa
3-1 to Liverpool
So that's 19 goals from 7 games, malky leaked goals like a tap.
Ole has conceded 14 goals from his first 7 games.
1-0 wins at home to Swansea and West Brom, that's 0 goals conceded in 2 games. Surely you can't list the Southampton game, Tan's disruption with the email, 45 minute protest at Anfield etc caused that. We also played very well at Chelsea and home to Arsenal and only conceded late goals because we went for an equaliser. Yes, Malky wasn't sitting back, he attacked at Chelsea, taking Medel off and putting Kim on at 1-1! Still, focus on all the negatives (which Tan undoubtedly contributed to with his off the pitch disruption) to suit your agenda.