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Sam Hammam defends Cardiff City board over Malky Mackay criticism

Former Cardiff City owner Sam Hammam says Malky Mackay must shoulder most of the blame for the loss the club has made in the transfer market.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26182350?

Sam blames Malky unlike others on here

I think he did a great job to get us up, but then took no blame for signings or league position, especially the goals difference.




Former Cardiff City owner Sam Hammam says Malky Mackay must shoulder most of the blame for the loss the club has made in the transfer market.
Bluebirds chief executive Simon Lim criticised Mackay's transfer policy, claiming it had cost the club millions.
The League Managers' Association (LMA) defended Mackay, saying all transfers went through Lim.
But Hammam says: "Malky Mackay is not taking responsibility for some of the things that have happened."
He said some of the Scot's summer signings had been "very poor indeed".
"Deep down inside himself he knows that," said Hammam.
Three of those signings started for Cardiff in their 0-0 draw against Aston Villa on Tuesday, but the other four have either left the club or been loaned out.
"It's not just through the buying, it's the wages he paid," said Hammam.
"If it's true that [Andreas] Cornelius was earning £45,000 a week then that is also a question."
Andreas Cornelius's signing was among the reasons behind Cardiff owner Vincent Tan sacking Iain Moody as head of recruitment in October, and Mackay as manager two months later.
Cardiff's summer signings
Andreas Cornelius (£7.5m, from FC Copenhagen)
John Brayford (£1.5m, from Derby)
Simon Moore (Undisclosed, from Brentford)
Steven Caulker (£8m, from Tottenham)
Gary Medel (£11m, from Sevilla)
Kevin Theophile-Catherine (£2.1m, from Rennes)
Peter Odemwingie (£2.25m, from West Brom)
The sale of the 20-year-old Danish striker back to FC Copenhagen in January cost the club £8.5m according to Lim's statement.
He made 11 appearances for Cardiff, failing to score, and Lim said "key shareholders" blamed the loss on "imprudent and careless management" during Mackay's tenure.
In response to Lim, LMA chief executive Richard Bevan said Mackay was "obliged" to report to Lim in all matters "pertaining to the transfer of players".
Mackay's record at Cardiff City
Played: 125 games

Won: 54

Drawn: 37

Lost: 34

Success rate: 43%

He said all clubs, especially at an elite level, have systems in place for "corporate governance" and a manager "does not go out and 'sign' players".
But Hammam defended Lim and Cardiff's controversial owner Tan.
"What do you want someone like Mr Lim or Mr Tan to do?" Hammam asked. "These are not people who grew up in football and who know football inside out.
"They have hired a manager and paid him well to do the job and they took his advice.
"Managers take credit when they do well with players and they should take the blame when they don't.
"The CEO is not a football man. He doesn't know whether certain amounts should be paid in wages or paid to buy players. This is why they hire a manager."

Oh! And he defends Tan and Lim........... "That's what you hire a manager for"

more like the malkay circus but there isnt an agenda for malkay is there

more like the malkay circus but there isnt an agenda for malkay is there

Really?

There have been quite alot of backstabbers at Malky on here since his departure.

For once, Scam is right. Can you imagine the uproar if we failed to sign A-Corn because Tan or Lim said they think its too expensive? They eould have been lambasted and accused of interfering and quite rightly that they know nothing off football.

fast forward 6 months and it turns out A-Corn was the biggest flop in prem since Marco Boogers and Tan/Lim are getting the blame for letting Malky sign him.

Using this logic a manager is never culpable for bad signings, only good ones.

People are so blinded by Malky and his fist pump and Tan and his rebrand they lose any sense of reality. MM had free reign and he spunked it.

For once, Scam is right. Can you imagine the uproar if we failed to sign A-Corn because Tan or Lim said they think its too expensive? They eould have been lambasted and accused of interfering and quite rightly that they know nothing off football.

fast forward 6 months and it turns out A-Corn was the biggest flop in prem since Marco Boogers and Tan/Lim are getting the blame for letting Malky sign him.

Using this logic a manager is never culpable for bad signings, only good ones.

People are so blinded by Malky and his fist pump and Tan and his rebrand they lose any sense of reality. MM had free reign and he spunked it.

Nail on the head Craig

Sam can I say what he likes,Ive never been his lap dog unlike some and I say what I believe.
I have my opinion and belief and I blame Tan and Lim.
Funny Sam does not mention what he said to me, Malky should have a football man above him and there never was one to guide Malky.

If we hired a director of football this place would go nuts with claims of undermining Malky. Annis, your hatred of Tan is seriously clouding your judgement on everything else.

Malky asked for Cornelius and the club went and got him with Lim signing off on the deal. Lim is not the player expert Malky and his team had that honour. Lim trusted in his judgement. What else was Lim to do, say no?

I have never seen eye to eye with SAMs views but on this he is correct. If Malky is honest he got this player wrong. It wouldn't have mattered if he cost a minimal fee but it was a, get him at any cost scenario. Malky got it massively wrong.

Whether he should have been sacked for it, I'm not sure, in the end th style of play didn't help. Lim did all that was asked of him and if he had said no against the expert advice of the management team, we would have been complaining as he did not back the manager.

Malky asked for Cornelius and the club went and got him with Lim signing off on the deal. Lim is not the player expert Malky and his team had that honour. Lim trusted in his judgement. What else was Lim to do, say no?

I have never seen eye to eye with SAMs views but on this he is correct. If Malky is honest he got this player wrong. It wouldn't have mattered if he cost a minimal fee but it was a, get him at any cost scenario. Malky got it massively wrong.

Whether he should have been sacked for it, I'm not sure, in the end th style of play didn't help. Lim did all that was asked of him and if he had said no against the expert advice of the management team, we would have been complaining as he did not back the manager.

Personally I think Moody got it wrong.

Lim must take responsibility for paying so much and handing out a high salary for an unproven young player. The pressure was on him because of other interest. If Lim knew football he would have stopped the move with good reason.

Malky asked for Cornelius and the club went and got him with Lim signing off on the deal. Lim is not the player expert Malky and his team had that honour. Lim trusted in his judgement. What else was Lim to do, say no?

I have never seen eye to eye with SAMs views but on this he is correct. If Malky is honest he got this player wrong. It wouldn't have mattered if he cost a minimal fee but it was a, get him at any cost scenario. Malky got it massively wrong.

Whether he should have been sacked for it, I'm not sure, in the end th style of play didn't help. Lim did all that was asked of him and if he had said no against the expert advice of the management team, we would have been complaining as he did not back the manager.

Personally I think Moody got it wrong.

Lim must take responsibility for paying so much and handing out a high salary for an unproven young player. The pressure was on him because of other interest. If Lim knew football he would have stopped the move with good reason.

Exactly, Lim does not know football so he was following Moody and Malky so in my opinion that is where the buck stops.

Sam shouldnt be commenting, as its got sweet FA to do with him.he is not on the board hasnt put a penny into the club and has taken a wedge out. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones

If we hired a director of football this place would go nuts with claims of undermining Malky. Annis, your hatred of Tan is seriously clouding your judgement on everything else.

This. I admire your passion for the club Annis, I really do, but as Craig says, your hatred of Tan is clouding your judgement on everything else. Tan and Lim fully supported Malky on his first season in the premiership by providing him with a transfer kitty that most other managers could only dream of. As we all know, they have no experience of football and have no idea how it works so trust was placed with Mackay who, when he realised he had all the money he wanted and no one to really stop him from spending it, was like a kid in a toy shop.

Tan and Lim should have had someone working above Malky, but as Craig says, this board would then be full of people claiming that they're undermining him. In fact, since the whole Malky fiasco, haven't we appointed Dave Jones as director of football? This would suggest that Tan has indeed learned his lesson from the whole debacle.

There's no two ways about it though, Malky's summer signings were dreadful and if we go down then they're largely to blame. I don't believe his bullshit excuses about how you need to spend 2-3x as much as 7.5m to buy a good premier league striker, look at Shane Long going to hull. Malky knows he's fucked up but he's too proud to admit it.

If we hired a director of football this place would go nuts with claims of undermining Malky. Annis, your hatred of Tan is seriously clouding your judgement on everything else.

This. I admire your passion for the club Annis, I really do, but as Craig says, your hatred of Tan is clouding your judgement on everything else. Tan and Lim fully supported Malky on his first season in the premiership by providing him with a transfer kitty that most other managers could only dream of. As we all know, they have no experience of football and have no idea how it works so trust was placed with Mackay who, when he realised he had all the money he wanted and no one to really stop him from spending it, was like a kid in a toy shop.

Tan and Lim should have had someone working above Malky, but as Craig says, this board would then be full of people claiming that they're undermining him. In fact, since the whole Malky fiasco, haven't we appointed Dave Jones as director of football? This would suggest that Tan has indeed learned his lesson from the whole debacle.

There's no two ways about it though, Malky's summer signings were dreadful and if we go down then they're largely to blame. I don't believe his bullshit excuses about how you need to spend 2-3x as much as 7.5m to buy a good premier league striker, look at Shane Long going to hull. Malky knows he's fucked up but he's too proud to admit it.

no we havent hired jones. he's been advising in an unofficial capacity

Sam can I say what he likes,Ive never been his lap dog unlike some and I say what I believe.
I have my opinion and belief and I blame Tan and Lim.
Funny Sam does not mention what he said to me, Malky should have a football man above him and there never was one to guide Malky.

Yes! The amount of money in the transfer kitty meant he needed guidance with it. His coaching skills were clearly excellent and proved by notabale achievements. The negative tactics were to protect the players at his disposal who were not quite good enough to be an offensively minded team.

I hope Malky goes on to have a great career like all fans should

Sam can I say what he likes,Ive never been his lap dog unlike some and I say what I believe.
I have my opinion and belief and I blame Tan and Lim.
Funny Sam does not mention what he said to me, Malky should have a football man above him and there never was one to guide Malky.

Yes! The amount of money in the transfer kitty meant he needed guidance with it. His coaching skills were clearly excellent and proved by notabale achievements. The negative tactics were to protect the players at his disposal who were not quite good enough to be an offensively minded team.

I hope Malky goes on to have a great career like all fans should

Who bought all these offensively shyte players then?

He blew a lot of money and nobody can argue that.

Sam can I say what he likes,Ive never been his lap dog unlike some and I say what I believe.
I have my opinion and belief and I blame Tan and Lim.
Funny Sam does not mention what he said to me, Malky should have a football man above him and there never was one to guide Malky.

Yes! The amount of money in the transfer kitty meant he needed guidance with it. His coaching skills were clearly excellent and proved by notabale achievements. The negative tactics were to protect the players at his disposal who were not quite good enough to be an offensively minded team.

I hope Malky goes on to have a great career like all fans should

Who bought all these offensively shyte players then?

He blew a lot of money and nobody can argue that.

Malky did, he is reponsible...I think he is a great coach, but poor at the high-end of the transfer market. I know the Geordies hated him, but Joe Kinnear was brought in to help with transfers, only brought one in on loan and that was Loic Remy.

I agree that the summer spending spree meant Malky's position became untenable

If we hired a director of football this place would go nuts with claims of undermining Malky. Annis, your hatred of Tan is seriously clouding your judgement on everything else.

This. I admire your passion for the club Annis, I really do, but as Craig says, your hatred of Tan is clouding your judgement on everything else. Tan and Lim fully supported Malky on his first season in the premiership by providing him with a transfer kitty that most other managers could only dream of. As we all know, they have no experience of football and have no idea how it works so trust was placed with Mackay who, when he realised he had all the money he wanted and no one to really stop him from spending it, was like a kid in a toy shop.

Tan and Lim should have had someone working above Malky, but as Craig says, this board would then be full of people claiming that they're undermining him. In fact, since the whole Malky fiasco, haven't we appointed Dave Jones as director of football? This would suggest that Tan has indeed learned his lesson from the whole debacle.

There's no two ways about it though, Malky's summer signings were dreadful and if we go down then they're largely to blame. I don't believe his bullshit excuses about how you need to spend 2-3x as much as 7.5m to buy a good premier league striker, look at Shane Long going to hull. Malky knows he's fucked up but he's too proud to admit it.

no we havent hired jones. he's been advising in an unofficial capacity

OK but my point still stands, they've now got someone advising.

To me it seems like Tan and Lim trusted Malky after he spent pretty well in the championship, they dont know football like Malky, they put faith in him with a lot of money and sadly Malky totally messed it up in a big way.

Now they have brought in Dalman who I hope is keeping a closer eye on things.

To me it seems like Tan and Lim trusted Malky after he spent pretty well in the championship, they dont know football like Malky, they put faith in him with a lot of money and sadly Malky totally messed it up in a big way.

Now they have brought in Dalman who I hope is keeping a closer eye on things.

Yes Luke but there are times when common sense comes into it regardless how much you know.

Tan has been at the club long enough to know that putting Bellamy a tried and tested product on £35K a week then an untested on £45k there should be questions asked. Surely even Lim should have brought this to Tans attention.

To me it seems like Tan and Lim trusted Malky after he spent pretty well in the championship, they dont know football like Malky, they put faith in him with a lot of money and sadly Malky totally messed it up in a big way.

Now they have brought in Dalman who I hope is keeping a closer eye on things.

Yes Luke but there are times when common sense comes into it regardless how much you know.

Tan has been at the club long enough to know that putting Bellamy a tried and tested product on £35K a week then an untested on £45k there should be questions asked. Surely even Lim should have brought this to Tans attention.

But if he was portrayed to them as the new wonder kid and he would be a massive coup for the club and told other bigger clubs than us were interested, why would they not believe what Moody and Malky told them, that was their job to find new talent.

It's like the village idiots at a Buckingham palace tea party is Franchise FC in the Premier league .... Roll on relegation

VT and Lim let MM and Moody in charge, if they blew my money I would want to get involved in team affairs.

Sam shouldnt be commenting, as its got sweet FA to do with him.he is not on the board hasnt put a penny into the club and has taken a wedge out. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones

really?

he has an opinion the same as all these....distanced bloggers that keep being posted..at least he has been involved in the club..

doesnt suit your agenda tho

To me it seems like Tan and Lim trusted Malky after he spent pretty well in the championship, they dont know football like Malky, they put faith in him with a lot of money and sadly Malky totally messed it up in a big way.

Now they have brought in Dalman who I hope is keeping a closer eye on things.

Yes Luke but there are times when common sense comes into it regardless how much you know.

Tan has been at the club long enough to know that putting Bellamy a tried and tested product on £35K a week then an untested on £45k there should be questions asked. Surely even Lim should have brought this to Tans attention.

you dont think there were questions asked............the boy could have turned out to be the next Messi ffs.........how stupid would lim/tan then look had they not taken the managers word...........they took his word..end of.......and id imagine every fan at every club would want their owner and C.E.O to take the managers word.............this love malky hate tan... it turns normal peoples thoughts upside down............
I WANT OUR MANAGER TO BUY PLAYERS THIS SUMMER.......cant believe we have fans who want Lim or Tan to be valuing players worth to the club.

more like the malkay circus but there isnt an agenda for malkay is there

Really?

There have been quite alot of backstabbers at Malky on here since his departure.

the vast majority were very open in being critical of MM.......backstabbing is saying one thing then doing another.......that hasnt happened....what you get,are posts defending Malky,making excuses up for Malky....some will agree with post..some not,doesnt make them backstabbers......

People are quick to criticise if Tan gets involved so the one time he doesn't its still his fault?

For once, Scam is right. Can you imagine the uproar if we failed to sign A-Corn because Tan or Lim said they think its too expensive? They eould have been lambasted and accused of interfering and quite rightly that they know nothing off football.

fast forward 6 months and it turns out A-Corn was the biggest flop in prem since Marco Boogers and Tan/Lim are getting the blame for letting Malky sign him.

Using this logic a manager is never culpable for bad signings, only good ones.

People are so blinded by Malky and his fist pump and Tan and his rebrand they lose any sense of reality. MM had free reign and he spunked it.

This must be the best post i have read in ages on this forum. MM got us up, he got all the money he needed to strengthen the squad and he failed horribly at the ONE thing he had to do for our first PL season.

Call it inexperience, but if you manage a team at the second highest level in England you SHOULD know that Cornelius,Brayford and Odemwingie wont cut it when you try to IMPROVE your squad for PL.

All the manlove for Malky shows that some people did the right thing being fans, not managers.

Sam can I say what he likes,Ive never been his lap dog unlike some and I say what I believe.
I have my opinion and belief and I blame Tan and Lim.
Funny Sam does not mention what he said to me, Malky should have a football man above him and there never was one to guide Malky.

Sam is 2 faced

People are quick to criticise if Tan gets involved so the one time he doesn't its still his fault?

I'm not blaming Tan for this signing although he should take the buck as that is where it stops. Good old fashioned management that is.

What I am blaming Tan for is the fact he is putting the blame totally on Malky and Moody and leaving his fellow contryman Lim out of it. Lim had a major part to play in this but he is getting off scot free.

The Malaysians are taking over our club and pointing the finger at everything none Malaysian.