CARDIFF'S SEASON OF CELEBRATION GOING HORRIBLY WRONG

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/footb ... 3874789585

Genuine topic for debate and thoughts, not for off topic point scoring and abuse. This is an article i came across, which raises some interesting points.

If the guy has called it right it is indeed grim reading.

He is suggesting you will probably get nothing from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Southampton, Newcastle and Chelsea.

Thus needing 17 points from the other seven games. Which needless to say, will be hugely difficult as that is Premier League winning form.

Do you think you can take enough from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Saints and Chelsea to ease the pressure to the other 7 games? If so, where do you see those points coming?

Discuss.

No.

Even if we do something brilliant and take 10 points from the winnable home games (hull fulham stoke palace) thats 32 points, and barring a shock result, I can only see us scraping a few draws away from home. Even with a best case scenario (in realistic terms) at home I still think we go down.

One potential saving grace is I think something like 38 might be enough, meaning we have a chance should we put a run together, also spurs after a uefa cup match must make the unlikely ever so slightly more likely.

impossible to predict. Truly impossible to predict - and anyone who says "x, y or z are going down" is a liar.

teams will take points off each other.
the teams around us have very tough fixtures and will be lucky to get much from them.
that said there will as always be some ludicrous results when teams not expected to win, will win.

above all else we are just as bad as the bottom half. There is not one stand out side who I could safely put any money on staying up - including the likes of Swansea and West Ham who look comfortable in mid table.

Full back and scoring goals are obviously a big problem and if we do not survive it will be because of the lack of goals (which was my worry back in August - with the hope Cornelius would be the answer and hit the ground running.)

I have never rated Jones, Campbell and certainly Zaha - but I just hope something clicks. It'll be a bumpy ride but you live in hope.

The table's upside down, we're fine

No.

Even if we do something brilliant and take 10 points from the winnable home games (hull fulham stoke palace) thats 32 points, and barring a shock result, I can only see us scraping a few draws away from home. Even with a best case scenario (in realistic terms) at home I still think we go down.

One potential saving grace is I think something like 38 might be enough, meaning we have a chance should we put a run together, also spurs after a uefa cup match must make the unlikely ever so slightly more likely.

I've said 34/35 will be enough all season still lots of football and others have a tougher run in gonna be close doesn't mean we will get the points cos we just can't score goals at the moment but I believe Fulham finish on 29 Norwich 31 us or west brom on 33 and whoever stays up out of us two on 34/35

That's what I reckon

No.

Even if we do something brilliant and take 10 points from the winnable home games (hull fulham stoke palace) thats 32 points, and barring a shock result, I can only see us scraping a few draws away from home. Even with a best case scenario (in realistic terms) at home I still think we go down.

One potential saving grace is I think something like 38 might be enough, meaning we have a chance should we put a run together, also spurs after a uefa cup match must make the unlikely ever so slightly more likely.

I've said 34/35 will be enough all season still lots of football and others have a tougher run in gonna be close doesn't mean we will get the points cos we just can't score goals at the moment but I believe Fulham finish on 29 Norwich 31 us or west brom on 33 and whoever stays up out of us two on 34/35

That's what I reckon

I think you are going to need a lot more than 34 points.

Its on 24 points NOW with 13 games left. Everybody at the bottom should expect AT LEAST a point a game and nutoriously more than that when its the crunch end of the season.

you pretty much need a point more than everybody else too because of your GD.

Id say you need to be aiming for 39 thos year.

http://youtu.be/dCe6e23yIT8

He is just a journalist looking for a story to write when there really isn't one, he can predict all he
Ikes buthe is simply guessing. He has written off a number of games when he has no real indication of the form of the teams involved. We have already won at Newcastle away this season, they are in a terrible run of form at the moment.
It is going to be very, very difficult because we are not scoring enough goals but a few wins can make a huge difference to confidence and form just look at West Ham.
Any game in the Premier League is notoriously difficult to win, speelling tip there for you William, funny how you always post negative things about Cardiff, so easy to do and cheap shots.

He is just a journalist looking for a story to write when there really isn't one, he can predict all he
Ikes buthe is simply guessing. He has written off a number of games when he has no real indication of the form of the teams involved. We have already won at Newcastle away this season, they are in a terrible run of form at the moment.
It is going to be very, very difficult because we are not scoring enough goals but a few wins can make a huge difference to confidence and form just look at West Ham.
Any game in the Premier League is notoriously difficult to win, speelling tip there for you William, funny how you always post negative things about Cardiff, so easy to do and cheap shots.

And so nearly you managed a post without a personal attack. Progress

Nothing personal at all in that post, you should learn to read without bias, a very important skill. I just posted an accurate observation as you would say if you can not accept the truth then the fault lies with you my friend .
If I am mistaken please indicate the personal abuse, or are you the only person entitled to an opinion?

Nothing personal at all in that post, you should learn to read without bias, a very important skill. I just posted an accurate observation as you would say if you can not accept the truth then the fault lies with you my friend .
If I am mistaken please indicate the personal abuse, or are you the only person entitled to an opinion?

"speelling (sic) tip there for you William, funny how you always post negative things about Cardiff, so easy to do and cheap shots."

I am not the author of this article. I have not offered my opinion.

If I were to offer it then it would not be negative, it would not be positive either. I don't tend to dabble in either as it suggests a non truthful post. It would be a realistic view - whether it is seen as positive or negative depends on how you wish to see the situation unfold yourself. I dont change my opinion due to how it may affect someone elses.

Anyway, on a positive note. You are off the hook with the multi I accused you of being, i have since discovered otherwise. You have an apology from me

No.

Even if we do something brilliant and take 10 points from the winnable home games (hull fulham stoke palace) thats 32 points, and barring a shock result, I can only see us scraping a few draws away from home. Even with a best case scenario (in realistic terms) at home I still think we go down.

One potential saving grace is I think something like 38 might be enough, meaning we have a chance should we put a run together, also spurs after a uefa cup match must make the unlikely ever so slightly more likely.

I've said 34/35 will be enough all season still lots of football and others have a tougher run in gonna be close doesn't mean we will get the points cos we just can't score goals at the moment but I believe Fulham finish on 29 Norwich 31 us or west brom on 33 and whoever stays up out of us two on 34/35

That's what I reckon

I think you are going to need a lot more than 34 points.

Its on 24 points NOW with 13 games left. Everybody at the bottom should expect AT LEAST a point a game and nutoriously more than that when its the crunch end of the season.

you pretty much need a point more than everybody else too because of your GD.

Id say you need to be aiming for 39 thos year.

39 points means you will need to average a point a game as well to be safe which in fairness is where you are now give or take the point.
It's going to be interesting all round given sunderlands next three games and Norwich with their last 4
Personally I don't think we have the quality to stay up but you never know as west ham have shown in their last 3 games

I did tell you this at the time, the evidence was overwhelming but you just didn't see the clues. Not quite as smart as you like to think. However, apology accepted !
I still see no personal attack! You spelt notorious incorrectly, the title of the post is indeed negative, that would be construed by any reader with any modicum of intelligence, you made the decision to post it. Having observed the nature of your posts it is quite clear you like to shine a particular light on all matters Cardiff City. Why? Only you can answer but you do seem rather obsessed with a team you don't support. Indicate a thread you have initiated or posted on that contains a positive approach. I am more than wiling to change my opinion, all I need is some evidence that would sway my conclusions.

39 points means you will need to average a point a game as well to be safe which in fairness is where you are now give or take the point.
It's going to be interesting all round given sunderlands next three games and Norwich with their last 4
Personally I don't think we have the quality to stay up but you never know as west ham have shown in their last 3 games

Well we have a significantly superior goal difference to many down the bottom which acts as an extra point essentially.

I think we need 10/11 points in the next 13 games to stay up. And i have no doubt we will. If we dont then we dont deserve to be there anyway.

I did tell you this at the time, the evidence was overwhelming but you just didn't see the clues. Not quite as smart as you like to think. However, apology accepted !
I still see no personal attack!

You say lots of things Martyn, most notably that my name is William... so I tend to take the majority of what you say with a smile and a roll of the eyes. No offence intended.

You spelt notorious incorrectly.

You spelled "spelled" wrong too what a pair of silly buggers eh?

the title of the post is indeed negative, that would be construed by any reader with any modicum of intelligence, you made the decision to post it.

i didnt create the title. The title is the title of the article.

Having observed the nature of your posts it is quite clear you like to shine a particular light on all matters Cardiff City. Why? Only you can answer but you do seem rather obsessed with a team you don't support. Indicate a thread you have initiated or posted on that contains a positive approach. I am more than wiling to change my opinion, all I need is some evidence that would sway my conclusions.

i will never be able to point you to a positive post from me just as i wouldn't be able to point to to a negative one as i have just explained. My opinions are neither, they are simply realistic. Being positive or negative suggests an intentionally misleading thought on a situation - what is the point in that?

I do think we'll take 8-10pts from those home games with the teams around us. U also forgot to mention we have west brom and Sunderland away. Cardiff will finish around the 38pt mark imo and we'll have to see if that's enough. I always said those 2pts against Sunderland could be crucial...

I really think we will swipe a few points from teams that people have already marked us up as a loss, and we won't get some points from teams that people are marking as a win.

Lots of teams seem to be either gearing up and playing well, or starting to fall... Cardiff seem to have not made up their minds which way they want to go - and I really think the FA Cup will at least help jumpstart the team into staying up.

You refer to me by my personal name, you have not offered the same information on your profile. If you presume to refer to me as such then it is only polite to use a personal name for you. I have nothing to hide do you?

You refer to me by my personal name, you have not offered the same information on your profile. If you presume to refer to me as such then it is only polite to use a personal name for you. I have nothing to hide do you?

Because I know your name is Martyn, seems silly calling you beddaubluebird I know I haven't offered the same information, its an anonymous forum not a school register and in no way compulsory.

Calling you by your name is not rude, calling me by a name you decide to make up could be construed as rude. Anyway, lets not turn this into another self indulgent love/hate Roathie thread.

This is a thread is to debate the article of which we have some interesting replies. If you wish to continue personal tittle tattle then that is what the PM function is for.

Cardiff City fans do not need the words of a journalist, who has rarely if ever watched them play to suggest we have a difficult time ahead of us. This is lazy journalism, written simply to fill space and quite simply stating the obvious.
We only have to peek at the Premier League table, even squinting and looking through rose tinted spectacles our predicament is obvious.
Those of us who watch Cardiff City every week are aware that our team lacks cohesion, the quality in every position and the necessary goal scoring threat to do reasonably well
In the league.
However, we have not lost contact with the teams above us, many are in a similar situation. There is still hope that we may secure Premier League status. There are encouraging signs and a win will boost confidence nothing is certain or predetermined.
We have a have a big cup game this weekend when the pressure is off.
The article and the post are irrelevant, we know as fans where we stand. You have to question the motivation for posting it.

Cardiff City fans do not need the words of a journalist, who has rarely if ever watched them play to suggest we have a difficult time ahead of us. This is lazy journalism, written simply to fill space and quite simply stating the obvious.
We only have to peek at the Premier League table, even squinting and looking through rose tinted spectacles our predicament is obvious.
Those of us who watch Cardiff City every week are aware that our team lacks cohesion, the quality in every position and the necessary goal scoring threat to do reasonably well
In the league.
However, we have not lost contact with the teams above us, many are in a similar situation. There is still hope that we may secure Premier League status. There are encouraging signs and a win will boost confidence nothing is certain or predetermined.
We have a have a big cup game this weekend when the pressure is off.
The article and the post are irrelevant, we know as fans where we stand. You have to question the motivation for posting it.

How do you know what Cardiff fans want? Speak for yourself sure, for everyone else? No. Constantly people use journalist and pundit opinion in this forum so this should be no different.

How do you know how many times he's watched you? You don't.

You may question the motive all you wish. However it is not my article and in my opinion it raises some interesting points. If you disagree then thats fine. Everybody else has contributed sensibly without getting all offended, turning it personal or speaking for everyone else.

You have made your point that you think im negative. We get it. I disagree. Move on.

I doubt it but neither do I really care, it's a novelty being in the premier league but that's about it. It's bad enough having the soul ripped out of the club but being in the soulless league just compounds it more. Perhaps going back to the championship will make it a bit more real with real clubs. I won't miss it.

I doubt it but neither do I really care, it's a novelty being in the premier league but that's about it. It's bad enough having the soul ripped out of the club but being in the soulless league just compounds it more. Perhaps going back to the championship will make it a bit more real with real clubs. I won't miss it.

im going to make a list of all the posters who "dont Care" if we go down and see what they are saying if we are doing rubbish next season


how anyone can say that and claim to be a fan is beyond me.

Sam Paul, i dont get it either.

Saying I dont care has to be a coping mechanism surely?

If you dont care then what is the point of it all. Surely there is other things you can focus your energy on that you do care about
.

Sam Paul, i dont get it either.

Saying I dont care has to be a coping mechanism surely?

If you dont care then what is the point of it all. Surely there is other things you can focus your energy on that you do care about
.

Yes the important things in life, looking after my toddler, baby and wife. Enjoying times with them and friends. I do care but not that much these days, that's just me though I'm nowhere near as committed to following us I was years ago. So many other things to do in life...

Yes the important things in life, looking after my toddler, baby and wife. Enjoying times with them and friends. I do care but not that much these days, that's just me though I'm nowhere near as committed to following us I was years ago. So many other things to do in life...

Thats not a hobby though, thats just life and looking after those people is compulsory. The majority of people have a family and still care passionately about their football side.

If i found myself not caring if swansea were relegated or not then I would pack it all in there and then.

Everybody is different I guess.

Would you believe I actually attend games and talk to Cardiff City supporters, I know how shocking is that statement.
I am willing to place a substantial bet I have spoken both to more supporters and more frequently to these supporters than the lazy journalist.
You just try to be provocative, hence the post, and then try to prove to yourself that you are such a culver William by being patronizing and condescending. I have no doubt a spurious and irrelevant analogy will soon appear.
What aspect of your friend Carl's life are you going to bore us with today.
My opinion was based on countless conversations I have had with City supporters and simple common sense.
If you are not willing to share your personal forename with us William, beddaubluebird is the name I chose to post under, please respect that decision.

Would you believe I actually attend games and talk to Cardiff City supporters, I know how shocking is that statement.

so you are now qualified to say "no cardiff fan is interested" you dont half talk some rubbish Martyn

I am willing to place a substantial bet I have spoken both to more supporters and more frequently to these supporters than the lazy journalist.

it makes no difference what so ever. What does speaking to more people give you? Are you not allowing him an opinion as a result?

You just try to be provocative, hence the post, and then try to prove to yourself that you are such a culver William by being patronizing and condescending. I have no doubt a spurious and irrelevant analogy will soon appear.

if you think im being provocative then dont rise to it. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it and once again you turn a thread involving me into a farce due to your inability to behave sensibly on a thread with yours truly in. Im still waiting for the next "william"

What aspect of your friend Carl's life are you going to bore us with today.
My opinion was based on countless conversations I have had with City supporters and simple common sense.

it wasnt an opinion. You said "no cardiff city fan is interested" which just going by this thread alone proves incorrect. Its a ridiculous claim and an amazing stance to say the least maybe it would be best to leave other Cardiff fans to decide whether they care enough to comment, as they were doing happily before you decided to discuss your favourite subject again - me.

If you are not willing to share your personal forename with us William, beddaubluebird is the name I chose to post under, please respect that decision.

and there is the "william"

listen. I have two choices as you have presented both willingly, and i thus now know both. I shall call you whichever of those I feel like at the time, currently, its Martyn.

Its no good just looking at Cardiffs fixtures and thinking ooh they need x amount of points and this is where they need to get them from. Trying to predict how many points is required and where your getting them from is stupid IMO. Now is the time where you are looking at the table, looking at your fixtures, your opponents fixtures etc.

We are one win away from getting out of the bottom 3. Once your out its about keeping your head above the water. For example the next 2 round of fixtures including teams who are far from safe are:

Arsenal V Sunderland
Cardiff V Hull
Man City V Stoke
West Brom V Fulham
West Ham V Southampton
Crystal Palace V Man Utd
Liverpool V Swansea
Newcastle V Aston Villa
Norwich V Tottenham

Looking at those, its clear that Cardiff have a very good chance of getting a 3 pt gain on the majority of our relegation rivals. I dont see West Ham, Villa and the jacks getting relegated to be honest but they are still close in that a couple of bad results puts them back in the shit.

After that we face a daunting trip to in-form Spurs. Theres a high possibility we will be getting sweet FA from this fixture, you never know but pretty much every man and his dog will have us down to get beat. So looking at the fixtures:

Everton V West Ham
Fulham V Chelsea
Hull V Newcastle
Stoke V Arsenal
Sunderland P-P West Brom
Aston Villa V Norwich
Swansea V Crystal Palace
Tottenham V Cardiff

Whilst there is a very good chance we will get nothing. Theres a very good chance that most of our rivals will also get nothing.

Sunderlands game is postponed, their game last night against Man City was postponed. So they are going to have a lot of games coming up including a cup final. We have some tough games coming up but then so do our rivals. You cant just pick one team like the article in the OP picks solely us, you need to look at the bigger picture. Then it doesnt look half as bad as that link makes out.

You are right roathie looking after family is not a hobby it is compulsory. When they are very young though they also take up most of your free time, things get put down the pecking order, things I enjoy more will come first, watching football isn't all that for me inbetween mountain biking, wing Chung, playing football, watching bands etc... Have you got kids?
I haven't been regularly for 10 years or more, I guess it's just a natural fade, chapters and all that. I will still follow our fortunes forever and will always be a bluebird....