UNUSUAL FEELING OF NO PRESSURE BEFORE THE 2ND DERBY GAME

In previous years it's seemed we've had backs against the wall having to fight off the chance of being the first to concede the double, having lost the first game. Recently it's been a case of having to win the 2nd game to save face after losing so many of the first 'legs'.


So nice to be in the position of having 1 under our belt and havintg the talk being of a possible CARDIFF CITY double rather than the other way around.

Have to say, it will be MASSIVE if we do it tomorrow, not only making history but making the league table VERY interesting.

Bloooooobirds !

In previous years it's seemed we've had backs against the wall having to fight off the chance of being the first to concede the double, having lost the first game. Recently it's been a case of having to win the 2nd game to save face after losing so many of the first 'legs'.


So nice to be in the position of having 1 under our belt and havintg the talk being of a possible CARDIFF CITY double rather than the other way around.

Have to say, it will be MASSIVE if we do it tomorrow, not only making history but making the league table VERY interesting.

Bloooooobirds !

Same here . Oddly very relaxed about this one . Can't see their Spanish lads being happy with the new mgt team

They felt this way last time we played them.

Different for me. We still have jitters the first twenty mins, defence still all over the shop and not communicating with each other, feel if we concede first then there will be no way back as the crowd will keep on our backs.

If we lose we lose and we have to get on with things.We'll still have enough points to play for and stay up.
If we win however we have created history and it'll put the jerks in a tailspin.
I'm convinced that Laudrup was binned because spew couldn't face the thought of a CCFC double and he got desperate.

If we lose we lose and we have to get on with things.We'll still have enough points to play for and stay up.
If we win however we have created history and it'll put the jerks in a tailspin.
I'm convinced that Laudrup was binned because spew couldn't face the thought of a CCFC double and he got desperate.

this double thing is such rubbish. Does anyone REALLY care? I said prior to the season on here id happily lose twice to your lot if it meant we finish above you and avoid the drop.

Can you tell me off the top of your head who did the first double in the Manchester derby? No? Ok the Glasgow one? No? Okay the merseyside one? No? Ok.... Erm ANY one?

No, me neither.

If we lose we lose and we have to get on with things.We'll still have enough points to play for and stay up.
If we win however we have created history and it'll put the jerks in a tailspin.
I'm convinced that Laudrup was binned because spew couldn't face the thought of a CCFC double and he got desperate.

this double thing is such rubbish. Does anyone REALLY care? I said prior to the season on here id happily lose twice to your lot if it meant we finish above you and avoid the drop.

Can you tell me off the top of your head who did the first double in the Manchester derby? No? Ok the Glasgow one? No? Okay the merseyside one? No? Ok.... Erm ANY one?

No, me neither.

The difference is it's a regular occurrence in those derbys.

No double in 100 years of fixtures must be almost unique.

The difference is it's a regular occurrence in those derbys.

No double in 100 years of fixtures must be almost unique.

Thats because they have played each other more. Once it happens here it will just be the same as them. Its just something for fans to rib each-other about, but nobody REALLY cares.

Just like "first welsh team in the Prem". So what?

Its all bollocks really.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't on pins for this one.

I want to beat them every time we play them regardless.

Feeling relaxed doesn't compute for me.

The difference is it's a regular occurrence in those derbys.

No double in 100 years of fixtures must be almost unique.

Thats because they have played each other more. Once it happens here it will just be the same as them. Its just something for fans to rib each-other about, but nobody REALLY cares.

Just like "first welsh team in the Prem". So what?

Its all bollocks really.

First Welsh team in the prem is bollox because that's just a rebranded first division

I care about the three points more than anything tbh. The double would be a nice bonus but really, considering our respective positions, a win will drag you down to our level which is what we need right now.

All in all you're probably right Roathie. Doesn't mean I'd trade two defeats to Swansea for guranteed survival though

The difference is it's a regular occurrence in those derbys.

No double in 100 years of fixtures must be almost unique.

Thats because they have played each other more. Once it happens here it will just be the same as them. Its just something for fans to rib each-other about, but nobody REALLY cares.

Just like "first welsh team in the Prem". So what?

Its all bollocks really.

First Welsh team in the prem is bollox because that's just a rebranded first division

I care about the three points more than anything tbh. The double would be a nice bonus but really, considering our respective positions, a win will drag you down to our level which is what we need right now.

All in all you're probably right Roathie. Doesn't mean I'd trade two defeats to Swansea for guranteed survival though

My sentiments exactly Aramore.

Although i would trade two defeats in a heartbeat.

The difference is it's a regular occurrence in those derbys.

No double in 100 years of fixtures must be almost unique.

Thats because they have played each other more. Once it happens here it will just be the same as them. Its just something for fans to rib each-other about, but nobody REALLY cares.

Just like "first welsh team in the Prem". So what?

Its all bollocks really.

First Welsh team in the prem is bollox because that's just a rebranded first division

I care about the three points more than anything tbh. The double would be a nice bonus but really, considering our respective positions, a win will drag you down to our level which is what we need right now.

All in all you're probably right Roathie. Doesn't mean I'd trade two defeats to Swansea for guranteed survival though

My sentiments exactly Aramore.

Although i would trade two defeats in a heartbeat.

Logically there you're right. But I just can't bring myself to accept things like that.

Against Man City I wouldn't have accepted a point before kick off though I'd have been delightdd with one once it was over.

Same with Charlton last year. I knew that a point would get Cardiff promoted but I still wouldn't have accepted a point before kick off

I'm not sure if I'm mad or just plain dull really.

Different people see things differently. I dont give our rivalry much creedance to the point where a result against you is put above long term goals. Id love to get a win but these "first club to...." Things dont come into it for me. It can go in forever, you can be the first club to do absolutely anything really.

Different people see things differently. I dont give our rivalry much creedance to the point where a result against you is put above long term goals. Id love to get a win but these "first club to...." Things dont come into it for me. It can go in forever, you can be the first club to do absolutely anything really.

Well 'long term' your f'cked.

More trophies, higher league placings, more success, bigger crowds... 'long term' we win on all counts.

FIRST to do the double would be brilliant and go back a few years and you were probably licking your lips about it.

The bonus is that it will give us a massive boost and drag you into it-extending an awful, awful run of results for you.

Reality is you are sh1tting it.

Personally I think it's very unlikely we will win, so you shouldn't worry too much. Bookies back this up too -and they are the ones who make the money.

Different people see things differently. I dont give our rivalry much creedance to the point where a result against you is put above long term goals. Id love to get a win but these "first club to...." Things dont come into it for me. It can go in forever, you can be the first club to do absolutely anything really.

Well 'long term' your f'cked.

More trophies, higher league placings, more success, bigger crowds... 'long term' we win on all counts.

FIRST to do the double would be brilliant and go back a few years and you were probably licking your lips about it.

The bonus is that it will give us a massive boost and drag you into it-extending an awful, awful run of results for you.

Reality is you are sh1tting it.

Personally I think it's very unlikely we will win, so you shouldn't worry too much. Bookies back this up too -and they are the ones who make the money.

Not sure what you are getting at.

Long term would be the season as a whole instead of two 90 min matches. Why would i be "shitting it"

Everybody loses, we have beaten you before and you have beaten us before. It is football, usually one team wins. Thats the game.

As long as I've been alive we are the much more successful side and as long as that continues ill happily lose every game against you. Of that there is no doubt.

If you hold this "double" in great importance then excellent. I dont though.

Different people see things differently. I dont give our rivalry much creedance to the point where a result against you is put above long term goals. Id love to get a win but these "first club to...." Things dont come into it for me. It can go in forever, you can be the first club to do absolutely anything really.

Well 'long term' your f'cked.

More trophies, higher league placings, more success, bigger crowds... 'long term' we win on all counts.

FIRST to do the double would be brilliant and go back a few years and you were probably licking your lips about it.

The bonus is that it will give us a massive boost and drag you into it-extending an awful, awful run of results for you.

Reality is you are sh1tting it.

Personally I think it's very unlikely we will win, so you shouldn't worry too much. Bookies back this up too -and they are the ones who make the money.

Not sure what you are getting at.

Long term would be the season as a whole instead of two 90 min matches. Why would i be "shitting it"

Everybody loses, we have beaten you before and you have beaten us before. It is football, usually one team wins. Thats the game.

As long as I've been alive we are the much more successful side and as long as that continues ill happily lose every game against you. Of that there is no doubt.

If you hold this "double" in great importance then excellent. I dont though.

That expalins a lot. You must be 5 years old if that is the case.

Bullshit all you want- no real surprise there. You are shitting it. , win today and we will not only do the first double but put ourselves in a position where we can push on with 2 reasonable home fixtures against 2 very difficult aways for you.

That expalins a lot. You must be 5 years old if that is the case.

Bullshit all you want- no real surprise there. You are shitting it. , win today and we will not only do the first double but put ourselves in a position where we can push on with 2 reasonable home fixtures against 2 very difficult aways for you.

Repeat it all you like, doesn't change anything though. As ive said the double means nothing to me, i already said prior to the season that I would happily lose both games to continue our dominance and finish higher. Still stands.

There are 3 points up for grabs just as there were against Fulham and just like there were against West Ham. The consequence of losing this game is no different to the consequence of losing those games. All teams are below us.

Maybe its more important to you than me?

That expalins a lot. You must be 5 years old if that is the case.

Bullshit all you want- no real surprise there. You are shitting it. , win today and we will not only do the first double but put ourselves in a position where we can push on with 2 reasonable home fixtures against 2 very difficult aways for you.

Repeat it all you like, doesn't change anything though. As ive said the double means nothing to me, i already said prior to the season that I would happily lose both games to continue our dominance and finish higher. Still stands.

There are 3 points up for grabs just as there were against Fulham and just like there were against West Ham. The consequence of losing this game is no different to the consequence of losing those games. All teams are below us.

Maybe its more important to you than me?

So if we are so unimportant to you, how come you spend your whole life on here.
All 5 years of it.

Someone's getting their excuses in early

Sadly for you Roathie, it isn't a choice of 2 defeats and a higher finish or 2 wins and a lower finish.

A victory for Cardiff today would see us equal on points, with two very tough games for you to come.

Roathie's full of crap. Us being the first team to do the double would be as annoying for them as them getting to the PL first was annoying for us. Roathie just cant admit it and won't because he wants a cop out should we manage to pull it off.

So if we are so unimportant to you, how come you spend your whole life on here.
All 5 years of it.

Because its a good forum.

Im not denying you are our local rivals. Im just saying it doesnt really matter what happens in these games, the long term goal is far more important than individual games.

Hype it all you like, i wont change my mind.

Roathie's full of crap. Us being the first team to do the double would be as annoying for them as them getting to the PL first was annoying for us. Roathie just cant admit it and won't because he wants a cop out should we manage to pull it off.

Well thats not really the case though is it. I don't think I have ever mentioned being the first Welsh club in the Premier League in my whole time on here - why? Because its a load of bollocks. Im not picking and choosing, im branding them all irrelevant.

You can be the first club to do anything, its endless. As long as we are better then I don't really care who was first to do what and it is my firm belief that win lose or draw we will still stay up and still be above you.

All this dispassionate, logical analysis of the game, it is "just another three points" clap trap is nonsense. This is football, the passion and fervour of battle is what draws us to the game. This is why derby games are sought after by Sky and BT, we love the hype and drama. We relate to the tribalism and shared passions.
My brother went to school in Glasgow, he grew up a massive Celtic fan, try telling him an Old Firm derby is just another game a simple case of three points gained or lost. The SPL shot themselves in the foot when Rangers were punished as they were.
Tomorrow, we will either wake up elated and full of optimism for the future or bitterly disappointed, that is how sport should make you feel if you are a fan who commits their time and hard earned cash supporting your club.

All this dispassionate, logical analysis of the game, it is "just another three points" clap trap is nonsense. This is football, the passion and fervour of battle is what draws us to the game. This why derby games are sought after by Sky and BT, we love the hype and drama. We relate to the tribalism and shared passions.
My brother went to school in Glasgow, he grew up a massive Celtic fan, try telling him an Old Firm derby is just another game a simple case of three points gained or lost. The SPL shot themselves in the foot when Rangers were punished as they were.
Tomorrow, we will either wake up elated and full of optimism for the future or bitterly disappointed, that is how sport should make you feel if you are a fan who commits their time and hard earned cash supporting your club.

I agree with you. Id love to beat you guys.

But it isn't going to ruin me if we don't. Ive witnessed derby wins, defeats and draws in the past. The "double" holds no credence with me what so ever, so its not "just another game" but it certainly is, as far as I'm concerned "just another derby game".

Im no more or less nervous or excited as I was before the last one. However as I keep saying, the bigger picture is far more important to me and win lose or draw I firmly believe we will stay up and finish above you - so this game isn't going to define anything as far as I'm concerned.

Someone's getting their excuses in early

Excuses? An excuse would me be giving reasons why we wont win wouldn't it?

If you win you will be the better side on the day I'm sure. No excuses here.

All I'm saying is as long as we are the better team overall then I don't really mind who is the better team over 90 mins and come seasons end, I'm sure we will be - regardless of the result.

Doesn't mean i don't care if we win, id love to.

If we lose we lose and we have to get on with things.We'll still have enough points to play for and stay up.
If we win however we have created history and it'll put the jerks in a tailspin.
I'm convinced that Laudrup was binned because spew couldn't face the thought of a CCFC double and he got desperate.

this double thing is such rubbish. Does anyone REALLY care? I said prior to the season on here id happily lose twice to your lot if it meant we finish above you and avoid the drop.

Can you tell me off the top of your head who did the first double in the Manchester derby? No? Ok the Glasgow one? No? Okay the merseyside one? No? Ok.... Erm ANY one?

No, me neither.

I bet the Mancurians, the Glaswegians and the Scousers can...AND THAT IS WHAT MATTER TO THEIR FANS!

Seems like you're prepping yourself in anticipation (or is that antipodean? ) of what might happen today

Pressure on Swansea, no doubt about that

If we lose we lose and we have to get on with things.We'll still have enough points to play for and stay up.
If we win however we have created history and it'll put the jerks in a tailspin.
I'm convinced that Laudrup was binned because spew couldn't face the thought of a CCFC double and he got desperate.

this double thing is such rubbish. Does anyone REALLY care? I said prior to the season on here id happily lose twice to your lot if it meant we finish above you and avoid the drop.

Can you tell me off the top of your head who did the first double in the Manchester derby? No? Ok the Glasgow one? No? Okay the merseyside one? No? Ok.... Erm ANY one?

No, me neither.

But I bet the Mancurians, the Glaswegians and the Scousers can...AND THAT IS WHAT MATTER TO THEIR FANS!

I bet you the average Manc fan doesn't know when the first manc derby double happened.. Not only that, but I bet they haven even thought about who was the first - such is the importance of it.

It is something I've always maintained and not just rolled out now. So my stance cant really be questioned.

If we lose we lose and we have to get on with things.We'll still have enough points to play for and stay up.
If we win however we have created history and it'll put the jerks in a tailspin.
I'm convinced that Laudrup was binned because spew couldn't face the thought of a CCFC double and he got desperate.

this double thing is such rubbish. Does anyone REALLY care? I said prior to the season on here id happily lose twice to your lot if it meant we finish above you and avoid the drop.

Can you tell me off the top of your head who did the first double in the Manchester derby? No? Ok the Glasgow one? No? Okay the merseyside one? No? Ok.... Erm ANY one?

No, me neither.

But I bet the Mancurians, the Glaswegians and the Scousers can...AND THAT IS WHAT MATTER TO THEIR FANS!

I bet you the average Manc fan doesn't know when the first manc derby double happened.. Not only that, but I bet they haven even thought about who was the first - such is the importance of it.

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

So you wouldn't be on here 'winding up' the opposition in event the tables were turned??

Hmmmmmm

About the double? Absolutely not.

Did I ever mention being the "first welsh club in the premiership" as something to hold over you? No.

Why? Because it is irrelevant who was the first.

Same applies here.