O/T Copper awarded £400,000 for being picked on

What a load of shit , http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... rs-6675794

Unbelievable, how can it possibly be right.

Makes my blood boil

There are no words...


Surely there's some facts missing from the story?

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

whats the problem he didnt do anything wrong?

the car stopped when the PCs approached the car he drove away thats considered as failing to stop (I love how the press managed to avoid the first part of the video or mention the first stop) so hes within his right to forcibly stop the vehicle hes not going to be tricked twice.

so because he did his job properly, the police authority removed him from frontline duty wrongly, he can claim for that, he proved he was being bullied by fellow officers he can claim for that, the reason they removed him from frontline duties was his perceived mental state, his senior officers are not qualified to make that judgement so he can claim for that. he can claim constructive dismissal as they made his work life impossible, so thats loss of earnings and any future earnings ie his pension.

so you all watched half a video and all know the full facts

read the whole story first

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

I think his behaviour was excessive due to the fact that the elderly driver only crime was that he wasn't wearing a seatbelt.Would he have been so quick to jump on the car if someone younger had been driving?

I think his behaviour was excessive due to the fact that the elderly driver only crime was that he wasn't wearing a seatbelt.Would he have been so quick to jump on the car if someone younger had been driving?

why?

the car stopped once PC Baillon got out of his car to inform the man to put his seatbelt on when PC Baillon approached the car on foot the driver put his foot down and drove off, thats failing to stop then the Officer now has to consider why the the guy suddenly drove off and is he dangerous thats enough reason for his actions

he was also cleared of any wrong doing so all this im not sure his actions were correct is a complete waste of time as they were deemed necessary

Prize clown Jonny 90210 is off , Mr politically correct. The only problem I see is that the old guy in the Range rover didn't drive off with that copper on his bonnet. Way excessive force used there Jonny

Jonny is correct here. He was just doing his job. Yes he has the money to sit on but for a lot of people being a police officer is about being respected and an authoritative figure etc. now he hasn't got that. He'll have to rebuild another career most likely.

Prize clown Jonny 90210 is off , Mr politically correct. The only problem I see is that the old guy in the Range rover didn't drive off with that copper on his bonnet. Way excessive force used there Jonny

so not bothering to read the whole article then

what an idiot you are

Prize clown Jonny 90210 is off , Mr politically correct. The only problem I see is that the old guy in the Range rover didn't drive off with that copper on his bonnet. Way excessive force used there Jonny

so not bothering to read the whole article then

what an idiot you are

Just a failed steward with a chip on his shoulder

That old guy only had £20,000. What happened to that other officer who decided to try kicking through the windscreen? Regardless of what that old man done he did not deserve 2 coppers doing what they did. The law these days is an absolute joke!

Prize clown Jonny 90210 is off , Mr politically correct. The only problem I see is that the old guy in the Range rover didn't drive off with that copper on his bonnet. Way excessive force used there Jonny

so not bothering to read the whole article then

what an idiot you are

Just a failed steward with a chip on his shoulder

what an idiot

not failed no chip not sure what thats got to do with this discussion

please refrain from making yourself look stupid

That old guy only had £20,000. What happened to that other officer who decided to try kicking through the windscreen? Regardless of what that old man done he did not deserve 2 coppers doing what they did. The law these days is an absolute joke!

Jonny 90210 will be along now , I agree with you mate. Big tough ob

Prize clown Jonny 90210 is off , Mr politically correct. The only problem I see is that the old guy in the Range rover didn't drive off with that copper on his bonnet. Way excessive force used there Jonny

so not bothering to read the whole article then

what an idiot you are

Just a failed steward with a chip on his shoulder

what an idiot

not failed no chip not sure what thats got to do with this discussion

please refrain from making yourself look stupid

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

So through force you think his reaction was acceptable haha. Madness, won't even debate this with you as your a waste of space if you think his reaction was acceptable to a disabled person even if he did drive off again.

Had respect for your comments as a Steward but early I was wrong, your one of the people who have good stewards a bad name.

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

So through force you think his reaction was acceptable haha. Madness, won't even debate this with you as your a waste of space if you think his reaction was acceptable to a disabled person even if he did drive off again.

Had respect for your comments as a Steward but early I was wrong, your one of the people who have good stewards a bad name.

thats a big over reaction

WOW

whats the matter dont like being proved wrong

he was cleared of any wrong doing

so it doesnt matter what I think or what YOU think that is the fact of the case and was considered as how he won his case

and again what the f**k has me being a steward good or bad got anything to do with this?

getting desperate I see

tell you what do me a favour read the news article

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

So through force you think his reaction was acceptable haha. Madness, won't even debate this with you as your a waste of space if you think his reaction was acceptable to a disabled person even if he did drive off again.

Had respect for your comments as a Steward but early I was wrong, your one of the people who have good stewards a bad name.

thats a big over reaction

WOW

whats the matter dont like being proved wrong

he was cleared of any wrong doing

so it doesnt matter what I think or what YOU think that is the fact of the case and was considered as how he won his case

and again what the f**k has me being a steward good or bad got anything to do with this?

getting desperate I see

tell you what do me a favour read the news article

Because the IPCC is such a reliable vehicle of justice?

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

So through force you think his reaction was acceptable haha. Madness, won't even debate this with you as your a waste of space if you think his reaction was acceptable to a disabled person even if he did drive off again.

Had respect for your comments as a Steward but early I was wrong, your one of the people who have good stewards a bad name.

thats a big over reaction

WOW

whats the matter dont like being proved wrong

he was cleared of any wrong doing

so it doesnt matter what I think or what YOU think that is the fact of the case and was considered as how he won his case

and again what the f**k has me being a steward good or bad got anything to do with this?

getting desperate I see

tell you what do me a favour read the news article

Because the IPCC is such a reliable vehicle of justice?

doesnt matter thats not subjective thats the ruling body they made the decision that he was right there fore his subsequent treatment by his superiors and colleagues and lets not forget the big whopper right or wrong its the police force that released the footage to youtube, he won this case hands down through an employment tribunal whats the problem?

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

So through force you think his reaction was acceptable haha. Madness, won't even debate this with you as your a waste of space if you think his reaction was acceptable to a disabled person even if he did drive off again.

Had respect for your comments as a Steward but early I was wrong, your one of the people who have good stewards a bad name.

thats a big over reaction

WOW

whats the matter dont like being proved wrong

he was cleared of any wrong doing

so it doesnt matter what I think or what YOU think that is the fact of the case and was considered as how he won his case

and again what the f**k has me being a steward good or bad got anything to do with this?

getting desperate I see

tell you what do me a favour read the news article

Because I used to stick up for you but clearly I was wrong, your rules and regulations make things ok. He was proved as doing nothing wrong so of course he couldn't be ha, give me a break.
Some people look beyond rules and regulations and just know know what is right and wrong, and have common sense.

what a f*cking joke......i remember a female p.c getting £300k for sexual harassement....not right at all..

That may be legit, don't know the story behind it.

This case the bloody copper was in the wrong anyway. He should be punished not make a fortune.

no he wasnt

So through force you think his reaction was acceptable haha. Madness, won't even debate this with you as your a waste of space if you think his reaction was acceptable to a disabled person even if he did drive off again.

Had respect for your comments as a Steward but early I was wrong, your one of the people who have good stewards a bad name.

thats a big over reaction

WOW

whats the matter dont like being proved wrong

he was cleared of any wrong doing

so it doesnt matter what I think or what YOU think that is the fact of the case and was considered as how he won his case

and again what the f**k has me being a steward good or bad got anything to do with this?

getting desperate I see

tell you what do me a favour read the news article

Because I used to stick up for you but clearly I was wrong, your rules and regulations make things ok. He was proved as doing nothing wrong so of course he couldn't be ha, give me a break.
Some people look beyond rules and regulations and just know know what is right and wrong, and have common sense.

but his actions arent on trial here, stop pretending they are

rightly or wrongly his force during this arrest was deemed reasonable, therefore his subsequent treatment by his superior officers and colleagues was wrong according to employment law, the arbitrarily cut him from working the frontline, they questioned his mental state, he was mocked by his colleagues including the release of the footage on youtube which made him a public laughing stock. He had a case and he won.

now if the police want to change their mind on whether his actions were proportionate thats a different story

oh and suddenly changing your mind about me because we disagree on one thing says more about you than it does about me what a pathetic person you are

Wow. Some ridiculous comments being made here. Jon is spot on.

All about opinions now you can argue that he used excessive force but the driver did fail to stop which is a criminal offence in itself

What I find strange is that the police paid out to the driver?
Surely if he was found to use reasonable force by the IPCC then I'm not sure how the driver could then claim damages but it's a different system so it happened, in terms of his payout OTT as all public payouts are but he has lost a fantastic pension and earnings to date so the payout is warranted just not the amount IMO
The employment tribunal case is clear cut IMO I'm just baffled how the driver got compensation lol

Do u think whitts has a case?

All about opinions now you can argue that he used excessive force but the driver did fail to stop which is a criminal offence in itself

What I find strange is that the police paid out to the driver?
Surely if he was found to use reasonable force by the IPCC then I'm not sure how the driver could then claim damages but it's a different system so it happened, in terms of his payout OTT as all public payouts are but he has lost a fantastic pension and earnings to date so the payout is warranted just not the amount IMO
The employment tribunal case is clear cut IMO I'm just baffled how the driver got compensation lol

I suspect that the Police paid out, due to the OTT reaction of the other officer, who kicked in his windscreen!

Let me explain, first off it's a shocking half story from Walesonline, who look to have an agenda against Pc Baillon.

Here's a better unbiased version of the events:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-26052357

By reading both Walesonline's and the BBC's version and watching the respective videos, it's clear that Mr Whatley flouts the law on a number of occasions, firstly by speeding, secondly by not wearing his seat belt and thirdly by driving his vehicle with an illegal number plate attached. Not hanging offences in themselves, but shortly after initially stopping for the Police, he drives off without warning, which as pointed out in this thread already, constitutes an offence of failing to stop for a Police Officer. He then drove for 17 minutes before he eventually stopped again and the 2 officers, probably expecting that Mr Whatley was pissed, forced their way into his vehicle.

As far as I can see from the stories and video footage, I can't see why the second officer jumped up onto the bonnet and started kicking in the windscreen, especially as he put himself in unnecessary danger and as Pc Baillon was already smashing the driver's window to get to Mr Whatley, what was the need to kick in the windscreen as well?

To sum up all the scenario, IMO Mr Whatley rightly gets convicted and dealt with for his driving offences, Pc Baillon rightly gets cleared of any wrongdoing by both a criminal and professional standards investigation and IMO, Gwent Police had no choice but to pay out for Mr Whatley's civil action, probably due to the actions of the second officer, who needlessly kicked in his windscreen.

With regard to the compensation award of around £430,000 to Pc Baillon, given his age, I'd expect him to be on the highest scale of Police Constable, which I'm lead to believe is around £40,000 per year basic, so if my figures are correct, the award constitutes nearly 11 years of loss of pay, without taking into account a lump sum in excess of £100,000 he'd receive upon retirement and also an annual pension payment of £20,000 plus per year upon retirement!

TBH, looking at those figures, Gwent Police have got off lightly!

All about opinions now you can argue that he used excessive force but the driver did fail to stop which is a criminal offence in itself

What I find strange is that the police paid out to the driver?
Surely if he was found to use reasonable force by the IPCC then I'm not sure how the driver could then claim damages but it's a different system so it happened, in terms of his payout OTT as all public payouts are but he has lost a fantastic pension and earnings to date so the payout is warranted just not the amount IMO
The employment tribunal case is clear cut IMO I'm just baffled how the driver got compensation lol

I suspect that the Police paid out, due to the OTT reaction of the other officer, who kicked in his windscreen!

Let me explain, first off it's a shocking half story from Walesonline, who look to have an agenda against Pc Baillon.

Here's a better unbiased version of the events:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-26052357

By reading both Walesonline's and the BBC's version and watching the respective videos, it's clear that Mr Whatley flouts the law on a number of occasions, firstly by speeding, secondly by not wearing his seat belt and thirdly by driving his vehicle with an illegal number plate attached. Not hanging offences in themselves, but shortly after initially stopping for the Police, he drives off without warning, which as pointed out in this thread already, constitutes an offence of failing to stop for a Police Officer. He then drove for 17 minutes before he eventually stopped again and the 2 officers, probably expecting that Mr Whatley was pissed, forced their way into his vehicle.

As far as I can see from the stories and video footage, I can't see why the second officer jumped up onto the bonnet and started kicking in the windscreen, especially as he put himself in unnecessary danger and as Pc Baillon was already smashing the driver's window to get to Mr Whatley, what was the need to kick in the windscreen as well?

To sum up all the scenario, IMO Mr Whatley rightly gets convicted and dealt with for his driving offences, Pc Baillon rightly gets cleared of any wrongdoing by both a criminal and professional standards investigation and IMO, Gwent Police had no choice but to pay out for Mr Whatley's civil action, probably due to the actions of the second officer, who needlessly kicked in his windscreen.

With regard to the compensation award of around £430,000 to Pc Baillon, given his age, I'd expect him to be on the highest scale of Police Constable, which I'm lead to believe is around £40,000 per year basic, so if my figures are correct, the award constitutes nearly 11 years of loss of pay, without taking into account a lump sum in excess of £100,000 he'd receive upon retirement and also an annual pension payment of £20,000 plus per year upon retirement!

TBH, looking at those figures, Gwent Police have got off lightly!

Cheers for link makes it better to understand

All about opinions now you can argue that he used excessive force but the driver did fail to stop which is a criminal offence in itself

What I find strange is that the police paid out to the driver?
Surely if he was found to use reasonable force by the IPCC then I'm not sure how the driver could then claim damages but it's a different system so it happened, in terms of his payout OTT as all public payouts are but he has lost a fantastic pension and earnings to date so the payout is warranted just not the amount IMO
The employment tribunal case is clear cut IMO I'm just baffled how the driver got compensation lol

I suspect that the Police paid out, due to the OTT reaction of the other officer, who kicked in his windscreen!

Let me explain, first off it's a shocking half story from Walesonline, who look to have an agenda against Pc Baillon.

Here's a better unbiased version of the events:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-26052357

By reading both Walesonline's and the BBC's version and watching the respective videos, it's clear that Mr Whatley flouts the law on a number of occasions, firstly by speeding, secondly by not wearing his seat belt and thirdly by driving his vehicle with an illegal number plate attached. Not hanging offences in themselves, but shortly after initially stopping for the Police, he drives off without warning, which as pointed out in this thread already, constitutes an offence of failing to stop for a Police Officer. He then drove for 17 minutes before he eventually stopped again and the 2 officers, probably expecting that Mr Whatley was pissed, forced their way into his vehicle.

As far as I can see from the stories and video footage, I can't see why the second officer jumped up onto the bonnet and started kicking in the windscreen, especially as he put himself in unnecessary danger and as Pc Baillon was already smashing the driver's window to get to Mr Whatley, what was the need to kick in the windscreen as well?

To sum up all the scenario, IMO Mr Whatley rightly gets convicted and dealt with for his driving offences, Pc Baillon rightly gets cleared of any wrongdoing by both a criminal and professional standards investigation and IMO, Gwent Police had no choice but to pay out for Mr Whatley's civil action, probably due to the actions of the second officer, who needlessly kicked in his windscreen.

With regard to the compensation award of around £430,000 to Pc Baillon, given his age, I'd expect him to be on the highest scale of Police Constable, which I'm lead to believe is around £40,000 per year basic, so if my figures are correct, the award constitutes nearly 11 years of loss of pay, without taking into account a lump sum in excess of £100,000 he'd receive upon retirement and also an annual pension payment of £20,000 plus per year upon retirement!

TBH, looking at those figures, Gwent Police have got off lightly!

Cheers for link makes it better to understand