Dropped a huge bollock there ole

Think ole was very naive taking whitts off seven minutes before the break ,I agree he's been shocking this season and today was no better but by subbing him he's possibly ruined whitts confidence and shown he's swayed by the fans very easily.off at half time fair enough but can't see what he's gained by the first half switch

I see it totally opposite to you. I believe we know have a manager with the bollocks to make a change if things r going wrong.

Or

he realised Whitts was shit and needed to make the change ASAP.

he's pro active. See a recurring problem, try to fix it as soon as possible.

No. Ole made a tactical decision which was right. The fans were just arseholes who used that tactical decision as a way of targeting a player and make him a scapegoat. Ole even said 'it could have been any player'. He simply had 2 players holding in Medel and Whitts (out of position) and needed to sacrifice one of them to bring on a more attacking threat to get us back in the game. Medel being better defensively got kept on and Whitts came off.

Common sense shows that but common sense is something a lot of our fans are lacking.

It was the formation he needed to change, it wasn't about Whitts. He then formed the team he should have started with.

I think the fans had already destroyed Whitts confidence with the booing of his free kick. For me Ole done the right thing, Whitts may have crumbled further.

whats the old saying, a good player can play anywhere, maybe we need more of these players

By taking Whitts off then he took the flak rather than the whole team at half time. Putting Zaha on satisfied the crowd and allowed the team to play with a lot less pressure.

Green Arrow did you attend the game today? I feel I already know the answer. Anybody who was actually present would not be spouting the utter bolllocks you are!
Whittingham's performance first half was a disgrace to anybody who calls themselves a professional sportsman, it lacked heart and desire, disgraceful!

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I see it totally opposite to you. I believe we know have a manager with the bollocks to make a change if things r going wrong.

Why didn't he change turner then cos he had a f*cking shocker?

I see it totally opposite to you. I believe we know have a manager with the bollocks to make a change if things r going wrong.

Why didn't he change turner then cos he had a f*cking shocker?

For who?

Ole made a tactical error with team set up , there was swapping & changing between Mutch, Whitts & Bellamy, none of which was working.
Zaha should have started, but when he came on he gave the crowd & the team a lift, that was Ole's bollock not starting him.

Think ole was very naive taking whitts off seven minutes before the break ,I agree he's been shocking this season and today was no better but by subbing him he's possibly ruined whitts confidence and shown he's swayed by the fans very easily.off at half time fair enough but can't see what he's gained by the first half switch

I don't agree with booing Whitts, but if he was subbed at half time it would still have hit his confidence. Also, remember football is a team game and the impact of Zaha lifted the rest of the team's and the crowd's confidence.

It was the formation he needed to change, it wasn't about Whitts. He then formed the team he should have started with.

Common sense. Whitts was just the lesser talented defensively of two holding midfielders. One had to be sacrificed and it wasn't going to be Medel. It was tactical yet a lot of our fans think if a player comes off it must mean they're instantly rubbish. Thats the plastic generation for you who look at stats on FM and think they're gospel without analysing the game themselves. Sod that, I'd rather learn about the game from the likes of Rodgers who's actually clued up when it comes to tactics and footballing philosophies.

If you don't understand the positions and roles of each player in each formation how the hell are you supposed to provide a valuable and worthwhile critique? Thats my logic on it. If someone doesn't understand something they're in no position to explain it or teach it.

What would have been the reaction tonight if he'd taken bellers off in the first half?

Green Arrow did you attend the game today? I feel I already know the answer. Anybody who was actually present would not be spouting the utter bolllocks you are!
Whittingham's performance first half was a disgrace to anybody who calls themselves a professional sportsman, it lacked heart and desire, disgraceful!

Says the poster who fancies Roathie. As if I'm going to take you seriously pal. Keep trying.

Whittingham is being played out of position. Mutch should play alongside Medel. He is a box to box midfielder and has the physicality of someone like Toure hence how Toure wins the ball and drives forward with it. Whitts does not have that. Medel is more like Lucas in his methods of rushing about and collecting and turning over possession. Both Medel and Mutch in their would be perfect to win the ball, recycle it and build and move forward ready for the attacking midfielders to hurt the other team. Not my fault you don't understand how the application of tactics works.

If you think putting Whitts in a deep central midfield role was ever going to work then you're absolutely off your head. He was never a defensive minded player and always excelled in the attacking third. To play him in there alongside Medel is just the epitome of idiocy and Solskjaer understood tactically it was not working and made a change. Players perform in positions that they are naturally suited too or can evolve into due to the attributes they possess like Bale. You cant just take a left an attacking minded player, dump him in a defensively intensive position and say 'do a job'. HES A PLAYER WITH A SKILLSET, NOT A ROBOT.

Asking an attacking minded player to do a job in a defensively minded position is like asking a software engineer who uses Java to build you a complex application in C++ and expect the same standard of work. Its idiotic. People master different positions hence the demand for certain players.

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It was the formation he needed to change, it wasn't about Whitts. He then formed the team he should have started with.

Common sense. Whitts was just the lesser talented defensively of two holding midfielders. One had to be sacrificed and it wasn't going to be Medel. It was tactical yet a lot of our fans think if a player comes off it must mean they're instantly rubbish. Thats the plastic generation for you who look at stats on FM and think they're gospel without analysing the game themselves. Sod that, I'd rather learn about the game from the likes of Rodgers who's actually clued up when it comes to tactics and footballing philosophies.

If you don't understand the positions and roles of each player in each formation how the hell are you supposed to provide a valuable and worthwhile critique? Thats my logic on it. If someone doesn't understand something they're in no position to explain it or teach it.

Disagree with your first point though, as Whittingham had already been replaced by Mutch in the middle well before he was taken off, we didn't really change system!

Disagree with your first point though, as Whittingham had already been replaced by Mutch in the middle well before he was taken off, we didn't really change system!

Whittingham has not been deployed as a CAM in behind the striker with a license to attack. That did not happen in the first half. Mutch dropped deeper to compensate for the areas being exposed. Asking Whittingham, an attacking minded player and always has been, to play a defensive minded position is stupid.

I see it totally opposite to you. I believe we know have a manager with the bollocks to make a change if things r going wrong.

Agree, Malky would have waited until the 88th minute.

Disagree with your first point though, as Whittingham had already been replaced by Mutch in the middle well before he was taken off, we didn't really change system!

Whittingham has not been deployed as a CAM in behind the striker with a license to attack. That did not happen in the first half. Mutch dropped deeper to compensate for the areas being exposed. Asking Whittingham, an attacking minded player and always has been, to play a defensive minded position is stupid.

But he doesn't shoot when he gets a chance, He doesn't run at defences, He Can't take free kicks anymore. The only thing he does is stop, Turn and pass back.

Disagree with your first point though, as Whittingham had already been replaced by Mutch in the middle well before he was taken off, we didn't really change system!

Whittingham has not been deployed as a CAM in behind the striker with a license to attack. That did not happen in the first half. Mutch dropped deeper to compensate for the areas being exposed. Asking Whittingham, an attacking minded player and always has been, to play a defensive minded position is stupid.

The game I watched today had Mutch start on the left of a midfield four with Whittingham in the middle along side Medel, Bellamy played in the hole behind Jones.
Whittingham was swapped with Mutch probably half way through the half, I would suggest because Ole thought he wasn't given us much.
Whitts hasn't played far up the pitch really since the start of last season in the championship?

Peter witting ham is dire I must say. We have been sentimental towards him for to long, it's not time be ruthless and drop him as he offers nothing, luckily we have a manager that will do it.

Green Arrow did you attend the game today? I feel I already know the answer. Anybody who was actually present would not be spouting the utter bolllocks you are!
Whittingham's performance first half was a disgrace to anybody who calls themselves a professional sportsman, it lacked heart and desire, disgraceful!

A disgrace? Now if you say Whittingham was not trying or deliberately missed chances you
would be wrong. But he is a player struggling at this level. Verey good servant of Cardiff City.
He gives his all every time. Sometimes a player just is not up to a task.
You disrespecting him is the disgrace. you are maybe to stupid to see but Whittingham can hold
his head up high. Bellamy was right - people like you are far worse supporters than Whittingham
is a player

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Mutch is not in the slightest like Yaya Toure you ignorant imbecile, he is more similar to the young Stephen Gerrard a player you possesses the athleticism and pace to drive into the heart of a defence. Whittingham's does not possess that athleticism which is needed in the Premier League, his skills rely on accurate and incisive passing, unfortunately he requires more time than is afforded by Premier League teams. His decision making is too slow and he lacks heart and desire.
Simply put, he does not have the required bottle to be a competent player in this league.
If you believe different, so be it, but ultimately you will be proved wrong like all armchair fans who have never actually played the game to any creditable standard.

Did you attend the game today Lars?

Mutch is not in the slightest like Yaya Toure you ignorant imbecile

Yes he is and many experts have agreed.

If you believe different, so be it, but ultimately you will be proved wrong like all armchair fans who have never actually played the game to any creditable standard.

I've played park football and at uni level. Whats the highest level you've played? Probably pub football vs Porth.

Pablue Escobar Nice one Roathy

Shame you are only a closet Cardiff fan as you understand more about football than 90% on here.

Green Arrow I represented Aber Uni before you were a twinkle sweetheart! I still play every week now.
Fancy a game?

Name the experts who have compared Mutch to Yaya Toure!
Armchair fan with deluded ideas!

What would have been the reaction tonight if he'd taken bellers off in the first half?

I was hoping bellamy was going to be taken off in the first half, terrible first half and none of his corners/crosses beat the first man, was a cracking player but he's passed it now although his 2nd half was a lot better than the first.