WHY MALKY HAD TO GO

Ive seen various comments about how we were difficult to beat under Malky, how he would have kept us up, how he had never dropped into the bottom 3.etc.etc.etc

Well I have done some in depth investigation on our season under Malky and here are my findings which I think dispell some of these comments.

Ok, lets take a look at Cardiff in the PL under Malky statistics shall we:

Games
Played: 18
Won: 4
Drew: 5
Lost: 9
Points: 17
Goals scored - 13
Goals conceded - 18

Defecit
Of the 9 games lost we lost by
1 goal - x 1
2 goals - x 4
3 goals - x 4

Goals Conceded
In the 18 games we conceded 27 goals. Split as followed:
5 clean sheets
1 goal x 3 games
2 goals x 6 games
3 goals x 3 games
4 goals x 1 games

Goals scored
In the 18 games we scored just 13 goals. Split as follows:
9 blanks
1 goal x 6 games
2 goals x 2 games
3 goals x 1 game

So on average we were conceding 1.55 goals per game under Malky and in 10 of the 18 games we conceded 2 or more goals.

On average we scored 0.72 goals per game, drawing a blank 9 times, and only scoring 2+ in 3 of the 18 games.

Also some side notes we conceded in the 1st half in 10 of the 18 games, and were also 2 or 3 goals down before half time in several of the games, 2 in particular Malkys last 2 games in charge.

Ive looked at where we accumulated the points and was alarmed to see that after match day 6, Fulham away, arguably our best PL performance under Malky, the stats are somehwat shocking.

Here are the stats post Fulham:


Games
Played: 12
Won: 2
Drew: 3
Lost: 7
Points: 9
Goals scored - 7
Goals conceded - 21

Defecit
Of the 7 games lost we lost by
2 goals - x 3
3 goals - x 4


Goals Conceded
In the 12 games we conceded 21 goals. Split as followed:
4 clean sheets
2 goals x 4 games
3 goals x 3 games
4 goals x 1 games

Goals scored
In the 12 games we scored just 7 goals. Split as follows:
6 blanks
1 goal x 5 games
2 goals x 1 games


So on average, post Fulham we were conceding 1.75 goals per games, and in 8 of the 12 games we conceded 2 or more goals.

On average we scored 0.58 goals per game, drawing a blank 6 times, and only scoring 2+ in 1 of the 12 games.

So as you can see we are getting progressively worse, and if you take the last 6 games of his reign, 6 being a usual marker for "form" it makes for worse reading than the post Fulham 12 game stats.

In a game wherby you have to score more than the opposition to win, or at least score as many to get a point, then the statistics do not read well.

So to conclude, we had a good start to life in the PL. Up to and including Fulham I am sure we would all agree 8 points (2 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses) from 6 games (18 points available), scoring 6, conceding 7, we were aquitting ourselves well, especially having faced home games against City, Spurs and Everton.

However, after this point, we then only take another 9 points in the next 12 games (36 points available). Scoring just 7 and conceding 21.

So whilst we may have not dropped into the bottom 3 under Malky we were in freefall, had dropped to 17th and with Arsenal, City and Man U away in January only the staunchest of Malky fans, or a complete retard, could deny dropping into the relegation zone was inevitable, and given we could not score under Malky, that in my opinion is where we were staying.

Also, to those who will inevitabely say we faced a number of the top teams at home pre Xmas, we also faced 7 of the bottom half teams away from home and only managed 6 points out of 21, and a measley 3 goals. A poor return I am sure you will agree.

We drew 5 blanks v West Ham, Norwich, Villa, Stoke and Palace. Not only that we barely created a chance in any of those games. Unforgiveable if we are truly honest.

All of this and only now I am mentioning the piss poor signings and the huge budget wasted on sub standard players. 3 of which now look to be out of the club already.

Ladies and gentleman of the jury. I rest my case.

i did like malky he was a good man with massive respect to us BUT i do think we would of gone down under him and can you imagine he had this transfer window to do transfers and brought in sh!t again! Or imagine tan stuck to his word and said malky wont get any money for transfers and we didnt strengthen wed be even more doomed!

No doubt people will reply with 'we would have stayed up because of how hard we are to break down' despite having the fourth worst defence in the league and not posing a threat to the goal

Polo: One of the few who spotted Malky's faults .......never fell for the cult status myself.

This fist pumping and playing up to the fans is akin to a player kissing the badge. No affinity to the area.

very well presented polo! bit of an eye opener and yes those who say never in bottom 3 with malky are only talking about fact we wasnt at that time, but like you say it was unavoidable given games to come at the time he left,

Like how you state we would have gone down if Malky stayed. All fictional and pointless.

Regardless, both had/have the clubs interests at heart.

Guess results are more important.... ..........

Nobody can state that we were definitely going down under Mackay, just like anyone can state we would have stayed up. Simple.

this is sad to see - I really warmed to Malky, because of him (and others I know, but him in particular as the public head of the playing side) I felt connected to the club more than I had been for many, many years.

But in my heart of hearts I have to agree that we were going to be relegated with him as our manager.

now we might well get relegated anyway - but we had to change something and I think that something was Malky -unfortunately.

His conservatism stood us in good stead in the Championship - and to start off in the Premier League; but you have got to score goals in any league, and we just weren't, and still aren't, doing that.

I feel we have stopped dropping - perhaps we are scraping along the bottom a bit - but if I think of the Palace game, the Southampton game, and even as far back as the Villa/Stoke/Norwich games, the stuff we served up was just poor football.

I'm sure the Tan thing didn't help, I get that, but I have to agree that since the Fulham game we haven't played with that fluency - Swansea and West Brom were two hard-fought one-nils, sadly there's only been 2 of them all season, if we'd had half a dozen then perhaps you could put up with the other crap.

I'll always like Malky, but he lost a bit of shine for me when he refused to rule himself out of the Everton job on MOTD - that was a misjudgement big man. Still he was THE man who took us up, and for being the man he is and the manager he was, I thank him - and move on...

CTID

I have no doubt at all we were going down under Malky, none at all. The change should have happened earlier.

Like how you state we would have gone down if Malky stayed. All fictional and pointless.

Regardless, both had/have the clubs interests at heart.

Guess results are more important.... ..........

Its an opinion, in resonse to other opinion, and presented with statistic and logic.

Its anything but pointless.

I think it was easy to see Malky would take us down. The teams around us are picking up points here and there and now we need to do the same.
If we do go down hopefully we win the cup so at least we get a couple of european trips out of it.
The home games are must win games...

Nobody can state that we were definitely going down under Mackay, just like anyone can state we would have stayed up. Simple.

no of course they can not..............but you can take an educated guess

must add to whats been said in OP {which i agree with }..Malkys teams are prone to be better first half of season than 2nd half..

football is not a science, but if it were, the conclusion would be relegation should we have kept him.

Palace away where he shat himself

Resigned Kev, signed Brayford and signed KTC

Signed Odemwingie

Signed Cornelius

Didn't play No one for about 4 months

There isn't an argument.

Palace away where he shat himself

Resigned Kev, signed Brayford and signed KTC

Signed Odemwingie

Signed Cornelius

Didn't play No one for about 4 months

There isn't an argument.

Signed the aforementioned No one.

Signed Mutch

Signed Caulker

Signed Campbell.

Just giving a bit of balance.

Palace away where he shat himself

Resigned Kev, signed Brayford and signed KTC

Signed Odemwingie

Signed Cornelius

Didn't play No one for about 4 months

There isn't an argument.

Signed the aforementioned No one.

Signed Mutch

Didn't really use him until Mutch forced his way in ahead of Kim

Signed Caulker

Then failed to sign another CB

Signed Campbell.

Then gave express instructions that the ten people behind him keep as far away as possible and as little support as possible too.

Did he do good things? Yes, given his Championship budget he damn well better have. In the Prem? Scared.

i honestly dont understand people who say that he made them feel more connected to the club........

id love it explained to me, because what i saw was a man who never ever said anything risky.

Palace away where he shat himself

Resigned Kev, signed Brayford and signed KTC

Signed Odemwingie

Signed Cornelius

Didn't play No one for about 4 months

There isn't an argument.

Signed the aforementioned No one.

Signed Mutch

Signed Caulker

Signed Campbell.

Just giving a bit of balance.

signed thirty odd in fact...but only 6 good enough to start last night?

I got caught up in the hysteria with Malky after promotion but it was a lesson learnt. All season in the Championship I doubted him. I would be negative and got me banned from the other board and here once or twice. Then we started pulling away and won the league and I convinced myself I was wrong and that he was a good manager. I then jumped on the bandwagon even creating a username in his honour. The man had finally delivered what we had all been craving for so long. It made it worse that the Jacks had got there before us as well which if we're being honest we all agree annoyed us and only made us want it more. I thought Malky was brilliant but then after one or two games in the PL against shall we say lesser opposition my doubts started to creep back in. I also wondered why Brayford wasn't playing because I rated him at Derby. Definitely a strange one for me.

Anyway, it was after the Spurs game that I got really annoyed. We just sat back getting battered and battered after wave and wave of attack and finally the inevitable happened and Paulinho scored. Thats when I lost faith in Malky and his tactics because its nothing more than just lying in a corner and letting someone continuously punch you - sooner or later they're going to get through and connect and do some serious damage. Well thats what happened. It was draining to see in the Championship and I've referred to it in another post that if it wasn't for Marshall and Hudson we might have not even won the Championship as both were impeccable and bailed us out a lot. Teams often outplayed us at Championship level as well and Bolasie was one of those players for Palace yet we would some how come away with the points because we would frustrate them.

However, in the Premier League don't work. These players don't get frustrated as easily and they keep going and going. They've kept going against the likes of Mourinho''s and Benitez's tactically astute teams and have broken them down and the likes of Mata, Hazard. Arteta, Ozil, Carrick, Coutinho, Gerrard - these are quality players who will find a killer pass and unlock you. Its as simple as that. Its suicidal to just sit back in the PL and keep letting teams attack you. You're asking for trouble and trouble is what we got and only more was coming.

I think it was a dead cert we were going down under Malky. I couldn't care less about promotion as to me the players on the pitch did the business and sometimes bailed out his tactical ineptness too. Thats a fact. Look at the last ditch interceptions by Hudson and the world class agile saves by Marshall. Almost any decent manager worth his salt could have taken up our team with the backing Malky had imo.

I'll be honest and say I admire Rodgers much more for what he did at Swansea City. Thats just the truth. He didn't deliver the league title but he took a very mediocre team, added a key player in Sinclair and took them to Wembley and they won and that man he got in done the business on that day too. He's easily the best young manager in the country. Its a time a lot of our fans stopped kidding themselves.

You can either go down being bullied the crap out of or you can stand up and make a fight of it and show why you belong in this division. I know what i prefer.

Palace away where he shat himself

Resigned Kev, signed Brayford and signed KTC

Signed Odemwingie

Signed Cornelius

Didn't play No one for about 4 months

There isn't an argument.

Signed the aforementioned No one.

Signed Mutch

Signed Caulker

Signed Campbell.

Just giving a bit of balance.

signed thirty odd in fact...but only 6 good enough to start last night?

Well yes, seeing as the majority of the signings were made with the championship in mind.

if we take into account the last 8 games of the champ season after Peterborough defeat we won twice and drew 6, and we was lucky to draw a few of them aswell

if we take into account the last 8 games of the champ season after Peterborough defeat we won twice and drew 6, and we was lucky to draw a few of them aswell

Why only take the last 8 games in? Is it because it suits your anti Malky agenda?

If you want to include last season, only fair to include it all.

I think he had to go, his record at the end was terrible.

He didn't know what he was doing in the transfer market.

He's a very very very good talker an if he didn't fist pump an lick our asses we wouldn't of stuck by him so much. We were blinded by the promotion an his good talking.

If we still played in blue 110% his sacking wouldn't of been as big a news story as it was. There are people out there that want tan to fail and are going to twist and turn anything into ridiculous story's.

Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

If you want to include last season, only fair to include it all.

Agreed. In my opinion though we went up thanks to certain players more than anything. Hudson and Marshall were just unreal last year and bailed us out so much. Well, Hudson did up until the injury of course. I also believe almost any manager with that backing would have taken us up Barry. This isn't to discredit Malky because he did it and thats a fact and a part of our history but i don't think its the wonderful achievement some think it is and I think some are still acting as if Malky delivered us the Champions League. Its very easy to get caught up in the hysteria though.

Oh well, on to the next.

I think he had to go, his record at the end was terrible.

He didn't know what he was doing in the transfer market.

He's a very very very good talker an if he didn't fist pump an lick our asses we wouldn't of stuck by him so much. We were blinded by the promotion an his good talking.

If we still played in blue 110% his sacking wouldn't of been as big a news story as it was. There are people out there that want tan to fail and are going to twist and turn anything into ridiculous story's.

Agree with all points.

if we take into account the last 8 games of the champ season after Peterborough defeat we won twice and drew 6, and we was lucky to draw a few of them aswell

Why only take the last 8 games in? Is it because it suits your anti Malky agenda?

If you want to include last season, only fair to include it all.

I only included last 8 games after our last defeat to show the form we was in, and I haven't got a malky agenda, ill always respect the man he was a cult hero and great guy but he didn't have the experience or tactical knowledge to change things when we need to, I agree it was time to replace him but im gutted aswell because he was a great guy and will follow him in future and hope he proves the doubters like myself wrong and be a successful prem manager

Break it down all you want mate, there's 2 wins between us and tenth. How many other clubs between these positions have shit stats, hmmm... All of them.

We were in freefall. The stats dont lie.

He didn't know what he was doing in the transfer market.

Yet he signed Caulker, Noone, Mutch, Campbell - all of whom have done well this season. Medel started very brightly too, but has gone off the boil somewhat.

If personally add Turner in there too, cheap and has done extremely well for me. Kim has shown well at times too, again another cheap Malky signing.

He made some poor signings, what manager hasn't? But to say he was clueless at transfers is wrong, for me.

He couldn't balance his tactics to get us playing with an attacking threat.

I find nothing wrong with trying to be a counter attacking side, many teams have succeeded with it and more will in the future. But we were just plain defensive with no pace or width to support these attacks. Just lump it up the pitch and hope we get a corner out of it where we were well organised.

Malky set his teams up with the message "come and break us down" that's all well and good in the Championship because hardly any teams have the ability to break down well structured defences so we hit it forward while they push and push forward, nick a goal and hold out. As mentioned above, you can not do that in this league unless you have great defenders and a fantastic shot stopper (we have the latter and he kept us in so many games) The likes of Mata, Suarez etc will break you down with their sheer creativity and vision.

But what makes it worse is that the likes of Palace bullied us and created chances, same with Stoke and the same with Villa (the less said about that Norwich game the better) with us creating next to nothing in return. The Villa game for me sticks out like a sore thumb because our best chances was when their striker headed back across his own goal which was the only time we had a goal scoring chance which is diabolical.

Malky was careful with what he said in the press because he is media trained (very well I may add) and knows if you praise the fans to high heavens they'll like you. Sadly I fell for it last season and the season before but it was painfully obvious he was a limited manager so far out of his depth in this division.

If he kept us up it would have been a miracle. But we were only going one way with Malky and that was down.

He didn't know what he was doing in the transfer market.

Yet he signed Caulker, Noone, Mutch, Campbell - all of whom have done well this season. Medel started very brightly too, but has gone off the boil somewhat.

If personally add Turner in there too, cheap and has done extremely well for me. Kim has shown well at times too, again another cheap Malky signing.

He made some poor signings, what manager hasn't? But to say he was clueless at transfers is wrong, for me.

Three of those signings were made to get us out of the championship last season.

Caulker is a good signing. The only good one since we got promoted. We've gotten rid of three of his signings from the summer already. He isn't good enough to be a premier league manager.

Look at Hull we were better then them last season but because they had a good Premier League manager who knew what to do in the transfer market they look a much safer bet to stay up then us.