Daeli - from a Man Ure Fan

Before we start - I am not the Man Utd fan. An old work mate of mine has spent the best part of 10 years going to pretty much all the Manu Utd development home games (can't afford a 1st team season ticket).

I was chatting online to him last night and he has stated we have got an absolute gem of a player. When he was watching him at Utd he was convinced he was only a season away from regular 1st team football at Old Trafford. He is absolutely baffled as to why he was allowed to leave and can't sing his praises highly enough. In his opionion he isn't cut out to be a winger he thinks he lacks a little pace - more importantly though he reckons he'a wasted out wide and needs to be in the middle of things as he has the ability to run a game.

I know our fans are already going wild over this lad after 10 minutes but I really think you'd struggle to find anyone who has seen him play who doesn't think he oozes quality.

Before we start - I am not the Man Utd fan. An old work mate of mine has spent the best part of 10 years going to pretty much all the Manu Utd development home games (can't afford a 1st team season ticket).

I was chatting online to him last night and he has stated we have got an absolute gem of a player. When he was watching him at Utd he was convinced he was only a season away from regular 1st team football at Old Trafford. He is absolutely baffled as to why he was allowed to leave and can't sing his praises highly enough. In his opionion he isn't cut out to be a winger he thinks he lacks a little pace - more importantly though he reckons he'a wasted out wide and needs to be in the middle of things as he has the ability to run a game.

I know our fans are already going wild over this lad after 10 minutes but I really think you'd struggle to find anyone who has seen him play who doesn't think he oozes quality.

I can see him being in the middle with mutch, Zaha and noone on the wings. Medel DM and Campbell up front.

You don't need pace when you have the agility of a panther, glue on your boots and the ability to take on 3 players head on and leave them on their asses.

Before we start - I am not the Man Utd fan. An old work mate of mine has spent the best part of 10 years going to pretty much all the Manu Utd development home games (can't afford a 1st team season ticket).

I was chatting online to him last night and he has stated we have got an absolute gem of a player. When he was watching him at Utd he was convinced he was only a season away from regular 1st team football at Old Trafford. He is absolutely baffled as to why he was allowed to leave and can't sing his praises highly enough. In his opionion he isn't cut out to be a winger he thinks he lacks a little pace - more importantly though he reckons he'a wasted out wide and needs to be in the middle of things as he has the ability to run a game.

I know our fans are already going wild over this lad after 10 minutes but I really think you'd struggle to find anyone who has seen him play who doesn't think he oozes quality.

I can see him being in the middle with mutch, Zaha and noone on the wings. Medel DM and Campbell up front.

left to right

Marshall

Fabio
Caulker
New DF
Theo

Medel
Mutch

Zaha
Daehli
Noone

Jones

I'm not prone to making hasty statements but as I watched Daelhi on Saturday I couldn't help thinking his positional play, running style and even his appearance reminded me of one Paul Scholes.

Wow I hope I'm right there!

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Bang on, he left for first team football, and didn't join back when he had the chance for first team football

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Man Utd were desperate to keep him but the lure of Molde proved too strong.

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Man Utd were desperate to keep him but the lure of Molde proved too strong.

You're right, he was very young and at the time wanted to go home.

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Man Utd were desperate to keep him but the lure of Molde proved too strong.

You're right, he was very young and at the time wanted to go home.

Do you have proof of that? Seems like a routine cast-off to me. Hopefully he can do the BLUEBIRDS proud this season but I don't expect big things from a Man Utd reject.

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Man Utd were desperate to keep him but the lure of Molde proved too strong.

You're right, he was very young and at the time wanted to go home.

Do you have proof of that? Seems like a routine cast-off to me. Hopefully he can do the BLUEBIRDS proud this season but I don't expect big things from a Man Utd reject.

They wanted to buy him back but he wanted to stay with Ole.
It's well documented if you look hard enough Roathie.

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Man Utd were desperate to keep him but the lure of Molde proved too strong.

You're right, he was very young and at the time wanted to go home.

Do you have proof of that? Seems like a routine cast-off to me. Hopefully he can do the BLUEBIRDS proud this season but I don't expect big things from a Man Utd reject.

They wanted to buy him back but he wanted to stay with Ole.
It's well documented if you look hard enough Roathie.

So we outbid ManUtd?(who wanted to buy him back?)

I've never heard of a highly rated scandanavian player choosing to leave Man Utd because of homesickness, Only to move 150 miles away from his home town of Oslo and live in Molde. Are you sure it was his choice to leave? If he were that highly rated,Man Utd would not have let him go full stop.

I'm not Roathie, I like to retain a decent relationship with reality.

Get your decent relation with reality round this then.

Talented Molde teen Daehli chooses Cardiff and Solskjaer over return to United
By RIATH AL-SAMARRAI
PUBLISHED: 19:11, 11 January 2014 | UPDATED: 00:05, 12 January 2014
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Cardiff City have signed Mats Moller Daehli from Molde after surviving a late bid from Manchester United.
United triggered an option to re-sign the 18-year-old Norweigian, who left Old Trafford in 2013 after two years in their youth set-up.
But the midfielder has opted to resume his working relationship with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer after playing under his countryman at United and Molde.
Talented: Mats Moeller Daehli in action for Molde during the Norwegian Cup Final in November 2013+6

Parochial choice: Molde's Mats Moller Daehli chose a move to Cardiff over a return to Manchester United
New digs: Daehli (centre) watched on at Cardiff City Stadium on Saturday with chairman Mehmet Dalman (left)+6
New digs: Daehli (centre) watched on at Cardiff City Stadium on Saturday with chairman Mehmet Dalman (left)
Cardiff debt rises
Cardiff's level of debt has risen to £118million, the club's latest accounts reveal.
The figures, for the year ending May 31 2013, show an operating loss of £30.9million, up from almost £13million.
Of the club's overall debt, £66million is owed to current owner Vincent Tan, despite the Malaysian converting £2.5million into equity and writing off interest of £5million.
Club salaries rose from £18.5million to £27million, which was explained by 'significant bonus payments' made as a result of promotion from the Championship to the Premier League, while there was an £8million rise in administrative costs.
The fee and length of his contract have not been disclosed, but Sportsmail understands the former is in the region of £2.5million.
Solskjaer had initially intended to unveil his second new signing on Monday, but hastily brought it forward in the wake of Cardiff's poor 2-0 defeat against West Ham on Saturday.
'This took some time because he had a late offer from someone else. We are delighted that Mats has chosen to come here. That shows the desire he has to do well for Cardiff,' Solskjaer said.
'He has energy and ball control. He is an inside midfielder, really likes to get in between the lines to take people on. You see (Samir) Nasri and (David) Silva) and that type of player and in a few years you never know where Mats might be.'
Solskjaer revealed Cardiff had watched Daehli last season when he was still in charge of Molde.
Greetings: Cardiff City manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer addresses the crowd at his first home game in charge+6
Youth star: Daehli won United's Young Player of the Year Award in 2011-12+6
New blood: Daehli (right) played under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in the United Youth Team, where he won young player of the year in 2011-12, and at Molde; Solskjaer addresses Cardiff fans before his first home game

He said: 'All the scouting reports say sign Mats Daehli. Obviously I knew they had gone in for him. They scouted him before.'
Daelhi added: 'I left (United) for a number of reasons. I wanted to play for this manager and he said he wanted to take me here and I am very happy to sign.'


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WoW You genuinely believe he chose first team football with us ahead of a squad position with Utd's first team who really wanted him.

I'm not Roathie, I like to retain a decent relationship with reality.

....And you do that by saying I delete all your threads, saying you show no signs of obsessive behaviour and my fiance is my sister even though i dont have a sister lot alone engaged her

The most amusing poster of 2014 has already been settled I think and it isnt even February

WoW You genuinely believe he chose first team football with us ahead of a squad position with Utd's first team who really wanted him.

It's not a belief, that is actually what happened. But I'm sure it has less to do with first team football and more to do with Ole.

Ole is the biggest Norwegian football legend, he's been Dæhli's coach and manager for a third of his life, so when things line up for him the way they did, of course he will be very tempted to play for him.

WoW You genuinely believe he chose first team football with us ahead of a squad position with Utd's first team who really wanted him.

It's not a belief, that is actually what happened. But I'm sure it has less to do with first team football and more to do with Ole.

Ole is the biggest Norwegian football legend, he's been Dæhli's coach and manager for a third of his life, so when things line up for him the way they did, of course he will be very tempted to play for him.

I'm sorry but if United want a player, one of their own products, they get them. It's that simple. Anyone who believes any different are delusional.

WoW You genuinely believe he chose first team football with us ahead of a squad position with Utd's first team who really wanted him.

It's not a belief, that is actually what happened. But I'm sure it has less to do with first team football and more to do with Ole.

Ole is the biggest Norwegian football legend, he's been Dæhli's coach and manager for a third of his life, so when things line up for him the way they did, of course he will be very tempted to play for him.

I'm sorry but if United want a player, one of their own products, they get them. It's that simple. Anyone who believes any different are delusional.

I happen to agree with you.

However dont you think its a bit hypocritical to say "anyone who doesnt see it the way I do is delusional".... Isnt this a symptom of Aspergers?

Anyway, its been done to death and saw me banned as a result - read:-

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=132563&p=1369805&hilit=Daehli+delay#p1369805

WoW You genuinely believe he chose first team football with us ahead of a squad position with Utd's first team who really wanted him.

It's not a belief, that is actually what happened. But I'm sure it has less to do with first team football and more to do with Ole.

Ole is the biggest Norwegian football legend, he's been Dæhli's coach and manager for a third of his life, so when things line up for him the way they did, of course he will be very tempted to play for him.

I'm sorry but if United want a player, one of their own products, they get them. It's that simple. Anyone who believes any different are delusional.

Not every footballer is spineless, man. And you really don't have the luxury of arguing with actual facts. There is no rule that states a player has to accept a club's offer just because two clubs have agreed a first option clause.

If Pelé took over an English club as manager tomorrow, I doubt he would have any trouble convincing Maicon to come.

You can tell from the look in Dæhlie's eyes when he talks about Ole, he has a deep loyalty to him. A loyalty much deeper than that of Man Utd. And that is to be respected. Follow the people, not the symbols.

Where are your facts testifying that Man Utd wanted him badly? from what I see, they let him go once, then decided AGAIN that they weren't too fussed when he moved to Cardiff. FACT.


As for Maicon joining a club like Cardiff if Pele were manager? Not if a giant club came came in with an offer OF CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL WITH A LOT MORE MONEY.. I genuinely think you are delusional.

You don't need pace when you have the agility of a panther, glue on your boots and the ability to take on 3 players head on and leave them on their asses.

How did experts at Man Utd miss all these Messi qualities after having him close-up for years.

I'd love you to prove me wrong but top 4 sides rarely discard top quality in this day and age.

You don't need pace when you have the agility of a panther, glue on your boots and the ability to take on 3 players head on and leave them on their asses.

How did experts at Man Utd miss all these Messi qualities after having him close-up for years.

I'd love you to prove me wrong but top 4 sides rarely discard top quality in this day and age.

A few from Man Utd - Paul Pogba, Gerard Pique, Guiseppe Rossi (Playing for Juventus, Barcelona and Fiorentina).

FFS, read it again. Man U never let him go. HE LEFT MAN U !

Besides, there is more evidence out there to show he wanted us over Man U then to the contrary.

Still, the trolls believe what they want to believe and try to convince others.

Hello, I've been lurking around these boards since the day Ollie decided to become your new Manager, and Cardiff has now become my second team in the Premier League, with Manchester United being my one true love.

I've followed Mats Dæhli since he was 16 in the United youth team, streamed matches regularly and kept up with his and the other norwegians development. Ollie was the main reason at first that I became a United fan, and the import of Magnus Eikrem, Joshua King, Etzaz Hussain and Mats Dæhli, all from Norway, did nothing but increase my interest in the club. Eikrem was for a long time considered to be just on the brink of making the first team and being involved more there, but Josh King was the greater talent of the Norwegians there. With King halted by injuries, Eikrem was still viewed as the one who would make it of the Norwegians. That is untill Dæhli got to show his talent.

He got to prove his foremost qualities in the 14 minutes he was on the field against Bolton, and what you saw there are his best qualities. He's fearless, goes onto the field and takes command, pointing and directing other players that are regarded much more experienced than he is, and this bravery, confidence and determination is partly what makes people have such high faith in him. The ball control, vision, creativity and his unpredictability are the main other strengths of his, but I believe his mindset is a big part of why he's regarded as highly as he is, and it attributes to all of his other skills. He's been praised since he was very young as Norway's biggest talent to date, but he's never let it get to his head, and he's remained a down to earth and professional young lad.

He was, and still is, highly regarded by most who kept up with the United Youth, and I was sad to see him go from United, as I finally saw a norwegian player that could actually take the steps into a world class player. However, seeing him return to Molde with Solskjær and Eikrem made it easier for me to accept, as I still felt they would both benefit from following Solskjær, and it was very likely that Solskjær would be moving on eventually, and if they were still in the club he would bring them with him and help them improve further more. Many would view the move to Norway and Molde as giving up on his United dream, but knowing his personality on the field, I do not believe one second that Dæhli did not know what he was doing and that he knew that it would benefit him from playing first team football already, in safe environment with a manager who knows his qualities, talent and trusts him. Noone will know what would have happened if he chose differently, but for now it seems to have been a very good choice, and I can't wait to follow the norwegians onwards and support Cardiff whenever they do not play against United ^^

Now, the main reason I actually started writing this post, was just to confirm that it was indeed his own choice to leave United even though they still wanted him to stay. He's stated that the main reason he left was to get first team football, something he didn't expect to get in United, especially due to him being a smaller lad without the physique at the time to play at the higher levels in England. In Molde he get regular first team football, follow up by former United coaches and to continue his development under a Manager with mutual trust. He was also offered a return to United with the deal with Cardiff on the table, but I am sure Dæhli was never expecting to be involved much in the first team of United that is struggling at the moment, and I'm sure Ollie gave him these advice as well.

Dæhli is absolutely the type of person who would make the decision of turning down a return to United if he himself believes another move, as the one to Cardiff with Ollie, would benefit his development more. That's the sole reason I think he made the choice as well, and all the statements to the public indicate that Dæhli's first and foremost concern in the world of football, is indeed to improve as a player. United is also a club that won't stand in the way of young players wanting to leave due to whatever reason, especially at the age where they still aren't guaranteed success'. The reason you don't see it often is because very few youngsters would ever want to leave their chance to succeed at United at all cost, and I actually think it is another thing to give credit to Mats for being able to make such a choice. As others have mentioned, players like Pique and Rossi has done similar in the past, even though they were further along in their progression under United, yet the club did not stand in their way.

So far everything has been on Mats' own terms, at least according to himself, and you would believe he knows best, wouldn't you?

Tonight will be one of the very few matches of the year I will hope Cardiff loses, I wish you all the best!
Good luck onwards!

Hello, I've been lurking around these boards since the day Ollie decided to become your new Manager, and Cardiff has now become my second team in the Premier League, with Manchester United being my one true love.

I've followed Mats Dæhli since he was 16 in the United youth team, streamed matches regularly and kept up with his and the other norwegians development. Ollie was the main reason at first that I became a United fan, and the import of Magnus Eikrem, Joshua King, Etzaz Hussain and Mats Dæhli, all from Norway, did nothing but increase my interest in the club. Eikrem was for a long time considered to be just on the brink of making the first team and being involved more there, but Josh King was the greater talent of the Norwegians there. With King halted by injuries, Eikrem was still viewed as the one who would make it of the Norwegians. That is untill Dæhli got to show his talent.

He got to prove his foremost qualities in the 14 minutes he was on the field against Bolton, and what you saw there are his best qualities. He's fearless, goes onto the field and takes command, pointing and directing other players that are regarded much more experienced than he is, and this bravery, confidence and determination is partly what makes people have such high faith in him. The ball control, vision, creativity and his unpredictability are the main other strengths of his, but I believe his mindset is a big part of why he's regarded as highly as he is, and it attributes to all of his other skills. He's been praised since he was very young as Norway's biggest talent to date, but he's never let it get to his head, and he's remained a down to earth and professional young lad.

He was, and still is, highly regarded by most who kept up with the United Youth, and I was sad to see him go from United, as I finally saw a norwegian player that could actually take the steps into a world class player. However, seeing him return to Molde with Solskjær and Eikrem made it easier for me to accept, as I still felt they would both benefit from following Solskjær, and it was very likely that Solskjær would be moving on eventually, and if they were still in the club he would bring them with him and help them improve further more. Many would view the move to Norway and Molde as giving up on his United dream, but knowing his personality on the field, I do not believe one second that Dæhli did not know what he was doing and that he knew that it would benefit him from playing first team football already, in safe environment with a manager who knows his qualities, talent and trusts him. Noone will know what would have happened if he chose differently, but for now it seems to have been a very good choice, and I can't wait to follow the norwegians onwards and support Cardiff whenever they do not play against United ^^

Now, the main reason I actually started writing this post, was just to confirm that it was indeed his own choice to leave United even though they still wanted him to stay. He's stated that the main reason he left was to get first team football, something he didn't expect to get in United, especially due to him being a smaller lad without the physique at the time to play at the higher levels in England. In Molde he get regular first team football, follow up by former United coaches and to continue his development under a Manager with mutual trust. He was also offered a return to United with the deal with Cardiff on the table, but I am sure Dæhli was never expecting to be involved much in the first team of United that is struggling at the moment, and I'm sure Ollie gave him these advice as well.

Dæhli is absolutely the type of person who would make the decision of turning down a return to United if he himself believes another move, as the one to Cardiff with Ollie, would benefit his development more. That's the sole reason I think he made the choice as well, and all the statements to the public indicate that Dæhli's first and foremost concern in the world of football, is indeed to improve as a player. United is also a club that won't stand in the way of young players wanting to leave due to whatever reason, especially at the age where they still aren't guaranteed success'. The reason you don't see it often is because very few youngsters would ever want to leave their chance to succeed at United at all cost, and I actually think it is another thing to give credit to Mats for being able to make such a choice. As others have mentioned, players like Pique and Rossi has done similar in the past, even though they were further along in their progression under United, yet the club did not stand in their way.

So far everything has been on Mats' own terms, at least according to himself, and you would believe he knows best, wouldn't you?

Tonight will be one of the very few matches of the year I will hope Cardiff loses, I wish you all the best!
Good luck onwards!

Thanks for that, a good read, and welcome to the forum.
Trouble is, the trolls will be spitting at their computer screens now.
I hope Man U have a really bad game tonight, and then wipe the floor with our relegation rivals the rest of the season.

Super Kev - those are three good points. but 3 players out of how many? The difference between Dealhi and those three, Dealhi wasn't rated enough by another top club European club, the other three were and United cashed in. Man Utd let Dealhi go for free and the top european clubs didn't want him?.

To summarise

3 Good prospects tempted by Champions league football.

Dealhi tempted by Molde then Cardiff ahead Man Utd. I'm sorry but his guy isn't quite the player his 10 minutes against Bolton suggests. My big concern and dare I say it, Alex Ferguson's concern.......Is he strong enough for British football? He looks weak and skinny, time will tell, but I won't be told that Man Utd wanted him. They clearly were fussed,neither were other top clubs. I guess they are all wrong and you'll choose advice from amessage board lurker ahead of the facts.

It's good news if you are a fan of the red Cardiff. But I would add one word of caution, very few players have the ability to 'run a game' at premiereship level. Paul Scholes, Rooney is getting there, Ozil at Arsenal, Mata at Chelsea, YaYa Toure. Not sure I would add Daeli to that list . My view on Daeli and other top 4 cast offs, these discarded players hardly ever amount to much.

How is Daelhi a 'top 4 cast off'?

Didn't ManU want to keep him in the first place, then re-sign him when the chance came up?

Man Utd were desperate to keep him but the lure of Molde proved too strong.

You're right, he was very young and at the time wanted to go home.

Do you have proof of that? Seems like a routine cast-off to me. Hopefully he can do the BLUEBIRDS proud this season but I don't expect big things from a Man Utd reject.

They wanted to buy him back but he wanted to stay with Ole.
It's well documented if you look hard enough Roathie.

So we outbid ManUtd?(who wanted to buy him back?)

I've never heard of a highly rated scandanavian player choosing to leave Man Utd because of homesickness, Only to move 150 miles away from his home town of Oslo and live in Molde. Are you sure it was his choice to leave? If he were that highly rated,Man Utd would not have let him go full stop.

I'm not Roathie, I like to retain a decent relationship with reality.

You can't stop a teenage lad from wanting to leave your club,
Everything him and ole have said are that it was his choice to leave and he then turned them down to play under ole regularly. Calling him a reject is a bit harsh, youl soon change your tone.

Super Kev - those are three good points. but 3 players out of how many? The difference between Dealhi and those three, Dealhi wasn't rated enough by another top club European club, the other three were and United cashed in. Man Utd let Dealhi go for free and the top european clubs didn't want him?.

To summarise

3 Good prospects tempted by Champions league football.

Dealhi tempted by Molde then Cardiff ahead Man Utd. I'm sorry but his guy isn't quite the player his 10 minutes against Bolton suggests. My big concern and dare I say it, Alex Ferguson's concern.......Is he strong enough for British football? He looks weak and skinny, time will tell, but I won't be told that Man Utd wanted him. They clearly were fussed,neither were other top clubs. I guess they are all wrong and you'll choose advice from amessage board lurker ahead of the facts.

Weak and skinny like, nasri, ramsey, Silva, some of the best players in the PL. Stop being so negative mate have a bit of faith, this Norwegian gentleman has just told you manu wanted to keep him! I aware if we signed ronaldo half the people on this forum would say he was shit.