a genuine challenge to all the so called 'fans leaders'

I used to be a regular poster on this forum until May this year, but haven’t posted since then for the reasons set out below.

However, I felt that given what I consider to be the totally inappropriate actions of the bandwagon jumpers (I won’t name them, as it will be obvious to anyone who follows CCFC who they are) over the last few days, I felt it my duty to at least post my views on what’s happened over the last 7 days, as I feel so strongly about them.

The hatred for VT has simply been staggering (especially at Anfield) – all he has wanted to do (in my view) is get rid of a manager that he thinks is clearly not up to premier league standards (we may argue about that, but many will share that view, and I have been strongly of that view for a long time) – in any event, these are the arguments that at the very least seem to be sensible ones to hold, even if one disagrees with them (and surely even a fair minded MM supporter would see that they are valid points to raise, even if they wanted to give MM the benefit of the doubt) :

1. Very poor quality football (hoof-ball constantly).
2. Many players bought for far too much money (and many not even (or hardly) used), despite multi-million transfer fees (paid for remember by VT, Not MM).
3. The team hovering just above the relegation zone and clearly in danger of possible relegation.
4. A manager that despite all the money that VT had (and was going to) give him was not prepared to rule himself out of the Everton job on national TV when he could clearly have done so. (Some may feel this is fair enough by MM, but equally, isn’t it fair enough for VT to then feel, he’s not the man for me?)

I know there are counter arguments as well (I don’t accept them, as I always thought MM would take us down, but I accept some intelligent fans have supported MM), (Don’t forget as well, that all the dirty linen that’s been aired in public over the last few weeks has not come from VT – it doesn’t take a genius to work out whose likely to have been conniving behind the scenes to get the media to sing to a certain tune.)

My main point however is this : given the above arguments, why the intense hostility towards VT over the last 7 days???? The obvious answer is that the hatred has nothing really to do with the MM issue, but is all down to the rebrand – and the people who like to think that they are the important fans have suddenly jumped on this bandwagon to use this as a means of targeting hate at VT for other reasons than just innocent support of MM – Expediency at its absolute worst!

To me, that is rank hypocrisy and the people who have done so should hang their heads in shame – Even though I disagree 100% with the likes of TLG, I have the utmost respect for his position, as he had the courage of his convictions and walked away. I also have respect for those people (even though I again completely disagree with them) who have tried to oppose the rebrand from day one (even if they have continued attending games), and have maintained a consistent position.

This current fiasco though has quite frankly been sickening – if the extent of the outpouring of abuse over the last week is really about the rebrand, then have the courage of your convictions and make the argument for that – but don’t just use this MM situation (or the next convenient issue) as a cloak to vent your spleen about something else – fight on the ground you really feel strongly about, rather than stirring the pot on another issue, as you know the vast majority of fans will not protest about the rebrand!

It’s hardly surprising that the following groups hate VT :

1. The Welsh media (their beloved ‘egg’ is under intense pressure with City’s success, and the last thing they want is a long period of football success for Cardiff under a billionaire owner).
2. The English media (they hate the fact that there are 2 Welsh teams in the premier league).
3. The English football pundits (for the same reasons set out in no.2 above).

Under normal circumstances, there would be enough people around CCFC who would see through all of this, but given the rhetoric coming from the so called ‘fan’s leaders’ and the younger childish element who have not been through the dark days of bottom division football like many of us thinking it’s somehow ‘cool’ to have a pop at VT (probably because it seems like a fun thing to do), everyone seems to have been blind over the last couple of weeks.

I know I’m probably at odds with most long standing fans about not worrying about the changes (symbols and colours have never meant much to me - not just in football, but in any part of life – I don’t see symbols as affecting substance), but I can see that many honourable people do feel strongly about the issue and I respect that, but please do any campaign against VT for clear and honest reasons - not hypocritical ones!

My challenge to the leaders of this forum and any other wannabe ‘fans leaders’ is : campaign and protest on honest ground, not hypocritical ground – and don’t use the next issue that has nothing at all to do with the rebrand to again try and fan the flames against VT – have the courage to campaign on honest ground! - and if you truly are democratic, then if the vast majority will not go out and protest about the rebrand (that’s my assessment of the majority of our fan base, but if I’m wrong on that, I will bow to the majority view as I ask you to do), accept that and if you don’t want to do a TLG by all means stay, but accept that the tide of opinion is against you at this stage and maintain your opinions with dignity and honesty – that has been sadly lacking over the last few days. By all means remain vocal about how important the colours and badge are to you, but don’t use dishonest issues to use for that fight, which is what I think is what’s been done over this issue with MM!

I have always tried to respect all the different views of our fans and when I used to post, always did so by arguing against the pro change posters who used to try to wind up the pro blues - and I trust anyone reading this post will take it in the spirit it’s meant – a challenge to honesty in any protests, as all I want is the best for CCFC (as I’m sure all true fans would want).

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(The reason for my leaving the forum was that I did a post in May outlining that I thought those who celebrated our promotion like crazy whilst singing anti VT songs were complete hypocrites (as it was his money that was far and away the main reason for the promotion) – a view I still hold to as strongly as I ever did. However, Polo(whose views I’ve respected) made a good argument that maybe I was also being hypocritical in posting on an anti VT forum when I was totally behind his vision for the club.

I initially argued against that (using the argument that the top of the page said that “all fans were welcome”), but in truth I ultimately accepted his logic and have not posted from that day to this about CCFC on this forum as I felt I would become a hypocrite to continue to do so (even though I’d posted for a long time before the rebrand, and the only thing that I want is the good of CCFC).

I hate the thought of being a hypocrite myself and just wish others would take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and act honourably from this point on! If it really is the rebrand that is behind all this outpouring of hate over the last week, then come clean and don’t pretend it’s because of the MM issue – have the courage of your convictions and fight on the issue that really matters to you, not a side issue!

I shan’t post regularly again, as I know my views are not welcome on this forum.

Good Read that Dave.
Interesting to see the response of the people it's aimed at.

I used to be a regular poster on this forum until May this year, but haven’t posted since then for the reasons set out below.

However, I felt that given what I consider to be the totally inappropriate actions of the bandwagon jumpers (I won’t name them, as it will be obvious to anyone who follows CCFC who they are) over the last few days, I felt it my duty to at least post my views on what’s happened over the last 7 days, as I feel so strongly about them.

The hatred for VT has simply been staggering (especially at Anfield) – all he has wanted to do (in my view) is get rid of a manager that he thinks is clearly not up to premier league standards (we may argue about that, but many will share that view, and I have been strongly of that view for a long time) – in any event, these are the arguments that at the very least seem to be sensible ones to hold, even if one disagrees with them (and surely even a fair minded MM supporter would see that they are valid points to raise, even if they wanted to give MM the benefit of the doubt) :

1. Very poor quality football (hoof-ball constantly).
2. Many players bought for far too much money (and many not even (or hardly) used), despite multi-million transfer fees (paid for remember by VT, Not MM).
3. The team hovering just above the relegation zone and clearly in danger of possible relegation.
4. A manager that despite all the money that VT had (and was going to) give him was not prepared to rule himself out of the Everton job on national TV when he could clearly have done so. (Some may feel this is fair enough by MM, but equally, isn’t it fair enough for VT to then feel, he’s not the man for me?)

I know there are counter arguments as well (I don’t accept them, as I always thought MM would take us down, but I accept some intelligent fans have supported MM), (Don’t forget as well, that all the dirty linen that’s been aired in public over the last few weeks has not come from VT – it doesn’t take a genius to work out whose likely to have been conniving behind the scenes to get the media to sing to a certain tune.)

My main point however is this : given the above arguments, why the intense hostility towards VT over the last 7 days???? The obvious answer is that the hatred has nothing really to do with the MM issue, but is all down to the rebrand – and the people who like to think that they are the important fans have suddenly jumped on this bandwagon to use this as a means of targeting hate at VT for other reasons than just innocent support of MM – Expediency at its absolute worst!

To me, that is rank hypocrisy and the people who have done so should hang their heads in shame – Even though I disagree 100% with the likes of TLG, I have the utmost respect for his position, as he had the courage of his convictions and walked away. I also have respect for those people (even though I again completely disagree with them) who have tried to oppose the rebrand from day one (even if they have continued attending games), and have maintained a consistent position.

This current fiasco though has quite frankly been sickening – if the extent of the outpouring of abuse over the last week is really about the rebrand, then have the courage of your convictions and make the argument for that – but don’t just use this MM situation (or the next convenient issue) as a cloak to vent your spleen about something else – fight on the ground you really feel strongly about, rather than stirring the pot on another issue, as you know the vast majority of fans will not protest about the rebrand!

It’s hardly surprising that the following groups hate VT :

1. The Welsh media (their beloved ‘egg’ is under intense pressure with City’s success, and the last thing they want is a long period of football success for Cardiff under a billionaire owner).
2. The English media (they hate the fact that there are 2 Welsh teams in the premier league).
3. The English football pundits (for the same reasons set out in no.2 above).

Under normal circumstances, there would be enough people around CCFC who would see through all of this, but given the rhetoric coming from the so called ‘fan’s leaders’ and the younger childish element who have not been through the dark days of bottom division football like many of us thinking it’s somehow ‘cool’ to have a pop at VT (probably because it seems like a fun thing to do), everyone seems to have been blind over the last couple of weeks.

I know I’m probably at odds with most long standing fans about not worrying about the changes (symbols and colours have never meant much to me - not just in football, but in any part of life – I don’t see symbols as affecting substance), but I can see that many honourable people do feel strongly about the issue and I respect that, but please do any campaign against VT for clear and honest reasons - not hypocritical ones!

My challenge to the leaders of this forum and any other wannabe ‘fans leaders’ is : campaign and protest on honest ground, not hypocritical ground – and don’t use the next issue that has nothing at all to do with the rebrand to again try and fan the flames against VT – have the courage to campaign on honest ground! - and if you truly are democratic, then if the vast majority will not go out and protest about the rebrand (that’s my assessment of the majority of our fan base, but if I’m wrong on that, I will bow to the majority view as I ask you to do), accept that and if you don’t want to do a TLG by all means stay, but accept that the tide of opinion is against you at this stage and maintain your opinions with dignity and honesty – that has been sadly lacking over the last few days. By all means remain vocal about how important the colours and badge are to you, but don’t use dishonest issues to use for that fight, which is what I think is what’s been done over this issue with MM!

I have always tried to respect all the different views of our fans and when I used to post, always did so by arguing against the pro change posters who used to try to wind up the pro blues - and I trust anyone reading this post will take it in the spirit it’s meant – a challenge to honesty in any protests, as all I want is the best for CCFC (as I’m sure all true fans would want).

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(The reason for my leaving the forum was that I did a post in May outlining that I thought those who celebrated our promotion like crazy whilst singing anti VT songs were complete hypocrites (as it was his money that was far and away the main reason for the promotion) – a view I still hold to as strongly as I ever did. However, Polo(whose views I’ve respected) made a good argument that maybe I was also being hypocritical in posting on an anti VT forum when I was totally behind his vision for the club.

I initially argued against that (using the argument that the top of the page said that “all fans were welcome”), but in truth I ultimately accepted his logic and have not posted from that day to this about CCFC on this forum as I felt I would become a hypocrite to continue to do so (even though I’d posted for a long time before the rebrand, and the only thing that I want is the good of CCFC).

I hate the thought of being a hypocrite myself and just wish others would take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and act honourably from this point on! If it really is the rebrand that is behind all this outpouring of hate over the last week, then come clean and don’t pretend it’s because of the MM issue – have the courage of your convictions and fight on the issue that really matters to you, not a side issue!

I shan’t post regularly again, as I know my views are not welcome on this forum.

Everyones views should be respected. You have made some very valid points and some are hard to argue against
(the Everton job for one) There are some who would prefer to see the club in the conference than except any changes - you'll always get thick bastards where ever you go. I'm not for the changes, but what can you do when a man has invested 100 million of his own cash and saved the club from liquidation. One things for sure - for all the negatives -everyones has now heard of Cardiff City FC.

Mate, what a fantastic post! This board needs more sensible posters like you.

Bottom line,it's just a game.
people need to take a reality check.

It is a shame that we don't have real fans leaders. That prick Tan is just
One in. Long line of pricks.
That manager Malky, just another in a long line of managers.

While we fight and spite each other we have no power.

If we had a group of fans leaders representing the demographic of all supporters who had no other motive or incentive other than
Cardiff City fans experience, then we could be better organised to stick to a set of rules or principles.

So whatever prick travelling through our club could know who we are, our general view and our traditions.

I know this is pie in the sky but if only.

Sadly there Are too many slits and shits around.

City fans should be as one

Typo!

Splits and shits
Not
Slits and shits!!!

Typo!

Splits and shits
Not
Slits and shits!!!

Freudian slip?

Hi dai

Wondered why will stopped seeing you post

Nice post fella have to agree with a lot of what u say

As nice a bloke as malky is for me it was time for him to go made many mistakes and very stubborn in his tactics and willingness to change
For me he hasn't been innocent in all of this either and something doesn't quite add up in sure we'll here more over due course

I agree with the fickle lot on here as well many were shouting for him to be sacked weeks ago cos of boring footy then at Liverpool they all stick up for him FairPlay it was wonderful to see but all this is down to VT hating it couldn't be super of malky cos most of the same fans singing his name were the ones calling for his head two weeks before
Funny thing is many on here have agendas and tv out is a big one and they will use anything to contribute to that cause, I've always supported city and will continue to do so no matter what league we are in what colour we play in and whoever owns us

I will be grateful for Vt investment when it was needed and think he has done great things for the club to date however although I'm not overly bothered about colour I still don't agree with the rebranding in any way although as I've said before I can understand why he has done it

As for malky again managers come and go as do owners and no manager is bigger than the club

It's also apparent that a lot of stances on tv have changed after a lot of events over last month or so and it's very interesting as to why they have changed because not a lot has in theory changed other than some more Leah's in the club saying tan wants rid of malky and oh yes sam hammann being paid off i think the latter has more to do with some sways in opinion on Vt Than the other point

This is the thing that gets me respect to TLG and others who've boycotted from day one their stance hasn't changed at all and for those who also haven't changed their mind on colour issues etc but some swaying now is pretty pathetic and like I said none of it is to do with malky sacking that's just another reason for tan out to suit their agenda

We have another split at the moment and that's those who wanted malky out and those that didn't that is what the plait should be about as that's the current issue not some who are using this for the tan out campaign, the issue was simple some fed up of malky style football and called for him to be chopped others think he deserved more time as it happens he's been sacked and some are happy some are not but those who are not are clearly twisting the fact it's just a manager sacking to suit other issues they have about tan and the rebrand which is not the point of what's going on at all

Probably the best post I have ever read on this forum and sums up exactly how I feel and view the whole situation. Breath of fresh air to read a post like this when there is so much shit written on here.

Brilliant post. Thank you.

I used to be a regular poster on this forum until May this year, but haven’t posted since then for the reasons set out below.

However, I felt that given what I consider to be the totally inappropriate actions of the bandwagon jumpers (I won’t name them, as it will be obvious to anyone who follows CCFC who they are) over the last few days, I felt it my duty to at least post my views on what’s happened over the last 7 days, as I feel so strongly about them.

The hatred for VT has simply been staggering (especially at Anfield) – all he has wanted to do (in my view) is get rid of a manager that he thinks is clearly not up to premier league standards (we may argue about that, but many will share that view, and I have been strongly of that view for a long time) – in any event, these are the arguments that at the very least seem to be sensible ones to hold, even if one disagrees with them (and surely even a fair minded MM supporter would see that they are valid points to raise, even if they wanted to give MM the benefit of the doubt) :

1. Very poor quality football (hoof-ball constantly).
2. Many players bought for far too much money (and many not even (or hardly) used), despite multi-million transfer fees (paid for remember by VT, Not MM).
3. The team hovering just above the relegation zone and clearly in danger of possible relegation.
4. A manager that despite all the money that VT had (and was going to) give him was not prepared to rule himself out of the Everton job on national TV when he could clearly have done so. (Some may feel this is fair enough by MM, but equally, isn’t it fair enough for VT to then feel, he’s not the man for me?)

I know there are counter arguments as well (I don’t accept them, as I always thought MM would take us down, but I accept some intelligent fans have supported MM), (Don’t forget as well, that all the dirty linen that’s been aired in public over the last few weeks has not come from VT – it doesn’t take a genius to work out whose likely to have been conniving behind the scenes to get the media to sing to a certain tune.)

My main point however is this : given the above arguments, why the intense hostility towards VT over the last 7 days???? The obvious answer is that the hatred has nothing really to do with the MM issue, but is all down to the rebrand – and the people who like to think that they are the important fans have suddenly jumped on this bandwagon to use this as a means of targeting hate at VT for other reasons than just innocent support of MM – Expediency at its absolute worst!

To me, that is rank hypocrisy and the people who have done so should hang their heads in shame – Even though I disagree 100% with the likes of TLG, I have the utmost respect for his position, as he had the courage of his convictions and walked away. I also have respect for those people (even though I again completely disagree with them) who have tried to oppose the rebrand from day one (even if they have continued attending games), and have maintained a consistent position.

This current fiasco though has quite frankly been sickening – if the extent of the outpouring of abuse over the last week is really about the rebrand, then have the courage of your convictions and make the argument for that – but don’t just use this MM situation (or the next convenient issue) as a cloak to vent your spleen about something else – fight on the ground you really feel strongly about, rather than stirring the pot on another issue, as you know the vast majority of fans will not protest about the rebrand!

It’s hardly surprising that the following groups hate VT :

1. The Welsh media (their beloved ‘egg’ is under intense pressure with City’s success, and the last thing they want is a long period of football success for Cardiff under a billionaire owner).
2. The English media (they hate the fact that there are 2 Welsh teams in the premier league).
3. The English football pundits (for the same reasons set out in no.2 above).

Under normal circumstances, there would be enough people around CCFC who would see through all of this, but given the rhetoric coming from the so called ‘fan’s leaders’ and the younger childish element who have not been through the dark days of bottom division football like many of us thinking it’s somehow ‘cool’ to have a pop at VT (probably because it seems like a fun thing to do), everyone seems to have been blind over the last couple of weeks.

I know I’m probably at odds with most long standing fans about not worrying about the changes (symbols and colours have never meant much to me - not just in football, but in any part of life – I don’t see symbols as affecting substance), but I can see that many honourable people do feel strongly about the issue and I respect that, but please do any campaign against VT for clear and honest reasons - not hypocritical ones!

My challenge to the leaders of this forum and any other wannabe ‘fans leaders’ is : campaign and protest on honest ground, not hypocritical ground – and don’t use the next issue that has nothing at all to do with the rebrand to again try and fan the flames against VT – have the courage to campaign on honest ground! - and if you truly are democratic, then if the vast majority will not go out and protest about the rebrand (that’s my assessment of the majority of our fan base, but if I’m wrong on that, I will bow to the majority view as I ask you to do), accept that and if you don’t want to do a TLG by all means stay, but accept that the tide of opinion is against you at this stage and maintain your opinions with dignity and honesty – that has been sadly lacking over the last few days. By all means remain vocal about how important the colours and badge are to you, but don’t use dishonest issues to use for that fight, which is what I think is what’s been done over this issue with MM!

I have always tried to respect all the different views of our fans and when I used to post, always did so by arguing against the pro change posters who used to try to wind up the pro blues - and I trust anyone reading this post will take it in the spirit it’s meant – a challenge to honesty in any protests, as all I want is the best for CCFC (as I’m sure all true fans would want).

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(The reason for my leaving the forum was that I did a post in May outlining that I thought those who celebrated our promotion like crazy whilst singing anti VT songs were complete hypocrites (as it was his money that was far and away the main reason for the promotion) – a view I still hold to as strongly as I ever did. However, Polo(whose views I’ve respected) made a good argument that maybe I was also being hypocritical in posting on an anti VT forum when I was totally behind his vision for the club.

I initially argued against that (using the argument that the top of the page said that “all fans were welcome”), but in truth I ultimately accepted his logic and have not posted from that day to this about CCFC on this forum as I felt I would become a hypocrite to continue to do so (even though I’d posted for a long time before the rebrand, and the only thing that I want is the good of CCFC).

I hate the thought of being a hypocrite myself and just wish others would take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and act honourably from this point on! If it really is the rebrand that is behind all this outpouring of hate over the last week, then come clean and don’t pretend it’s because of the MM issue – have the courage of your convictions and fight on the issue that really matters to you, not a side issue!

I shan’t post regularly again, as I know my views are not welcome on this forum.

Don't you believe ''all is fair in love and war'' ? And the love is for my club and its identity by the way. Not important to many who have jumped on the bandwagon, but the loss of it is deeply hurtful still to many of us. Do we just allow the rich and powerful to rape and pillage yet only use ''Queensberry Rules''? I think not.

Excellent read and thought provoking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I agree with much of what you wrote , however Im afraid it might well be Tans money that bought cardiff success , but football should not be judged my being in the premiership alone, as i ask the question at what cost to our clubs history and identity, which has created alot of rightful resentment in my opinion.

Tan has much to learn about public relations with those who count, and make up a football club the fans, , which is so evident in teams such as Liverpool, Newcastle, etc , and no money in the world should give no person the belief that they can do what they want .

I just hope Tan will take steps to bridge the gap with the fans and make some gesture to demonstrate clearly he has listened to our concerns , however i have my reservations as his past promises were worthless ,which has created this mess.

A CLUB NEEDS PRIDE AND UNITY, AND PASSION WHICH TAN NEEDS TO PROMOTE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FANS IF HE IS TO SUCCEED AT CCFC .........................

Top top post mate.

I agree about the English media and all the football pundits.
We have always known about the egg loving Welsh media....they are lapping this up right now.
We need to get behind the team starting tomorrow with Sunderland and pick ourselves up and move on.

Amazing how all your "fans leaders" (you know who you are) have not seen this post........

Great post.

I don't know about anyone else, but my protest has been about the rebrand and VTs shocking decision set the football club, one of which, is causing the current situation with Mackay.

I don't know about anyone else, but my protest has been about the rebrand and VTs shocking decision set the football club, one of which, is causing the current situation with Mackay.

Think people have been using Malky Mackay's situation to coincide with there own agendas about why they protest.

I don't know about anyone else, but my protest has been about the rebrand and VTs shocking decision set the football club, one of which, is causing the current situation with Mackay.

In fairness, chuckle, you were not one of the people I had in mind, as you have always been thoroughly consistent and I have always completely respected your honesty (especially when you did the post about the last BU march, which must have taken some courage to do, and given your position, it must have been a painful post to write).

I mulled over long and hard whether or not to do this thread, but I would have felt like a coward if I hadn't done it, given my strong feelings on the behaviour I had witnessed.

I await with great interest to see who will respond further - we shall see what transpires!

I used to be a regular poster on this forum until May this year, but haven’t posted since then for the reasons set out below.

However, I felt that given what I consider to be the totally inappropriate actions of the bandwagon jumpers (I won’t name them, as it will be obvious to anyone who follows CCFC who they are) over the last few days, I felt it my duty to at least post my views on what’s happened over the last 7 days, as I feel so strongly about them.

The hatred for VT has simply been staggering (especially at Anfield) – all he has wanted to do (in my view) is get rid of a manager that he thinks is clearly not up to premier league standards (we may argue about that, but many will share that view, and I have been strongly of that view for a long time) – in any event, these are the arguments that at the very least seem to be sensible ones to hold, even if one disagrees with them (and surely even a fair minded MM supporter would see that they are valid points to raise, even if they wanted to give MM the benefit of the doubt) :

1. Very poor quality football (hoof-ball constantly).
2. Many players bought for far too much money (and many not even (or hardly) used), despite multi-million transfer fees (paid for remember by VT, Not MM).
3. The team hovering just above the relegation zone and clearly in danger of possible relegation.
4. A manager that despite all the money that VT had (and was going to) give him was not prepared to rule himself out of the Everton job on national TV when he could clearly have done so. (Some may feel this is fair enough by MM, but equally, isn’t it fair enough for VT to then feel, he’s not the man for me?)

I know there are counter arguments as well (I don’t accept them, as I always thought MM would take us down, but I accept some intelligent fans have supported MM), (Don’t forget as well, that all the dirty linen that’s been aired in public over the last few weeks has not come from VT – it doesn’t take a genius to work out whose likely to have been conniving behind the scenes to get the media to sing to a certain tune.)

My main point however is this : given the above arguments, why the intense hostility towards VT over the last 7 days???? The obvious answer is that the hatred has nothing really to do with the MM issue, but is all down to the rebrand – and the people who like to think that they are the important fans have suddenly jumped on this bandwagon to use this as a means of targeting hate at VT for other reasons than just innocent support of MM – Expediency at its absolute worst!

To me, that is rank hypocrisy and the people who have done so should hang their heads in shame – Even though I disagree 100% with the likes of TLG, I have the utmost respect for his position, as he had the courage of his convictions and walked away. I also have respect for those people (even though I again completely disagree with them) who have tried to oppose the rebrand from day one (even if they have continued attending games), and have maintained a consistent position.

This current fiasco though has quite frankly been sickening – if the extent of the outpouring of abuse over the last week is really about the rebrand, then have the courage of your convictions and make the argument for that – but don’t just use this MM situation (or the next convenient issue) as a cloak to vent your spleen about something else – fight on the ground you really feel strongly about, rather than stirring the pot on another issue, as you know the vast majority of fans will not protest about the rebrand!

It’s hardly surprising that the following groups hate VT :

1. The Welsh media (their beloved ‘egg’ is under intense pressure with City’s success, and the last thing they want is a long period of football success for Cardiff under a billionaire owner).
2. The English media (they hate the fact that there are 2 Welsh teams in the premier league).
3. The English football pundits (for the same reasons set out in no.2 above).

Under normal circumstances, there would be enough people around CCFC who would see through all of this, but given the rhetoric coming from the so called ‘fan’s leaders’ and the younger childish element who have not been through the dark days of bottom division football like many of us thinking it’s somehow ‘cool’ to have a pop at VT (probably because it seems like a fun thing to do), everyone seems to have been blind over the last couple of weeks.

I know I’m probably at odds with most long standing fans about not worrying about the changes (symbols and colours have never meant much to me - not just in football, but in any part of life – I don’t see symbols as affecting substance), but I can see that many honourable people do feel strongly about the issue and I respect that, but please do any campaign against VT for clear and honest reasons - not hypocritical ones!

My challenge to the leaders of this forum and any other wannabe ‘fans leaders’ is : campaign and protest on honest ground, not hypocritical ground – and don’t use the next issue that has nothing at all to do with the rebrand to again try and fan the flames against VT – have the courage to campaign on honest ground! - and if you truly are democratic, then if the vast majority will not go out and protest about the rebrand (that’s my assessment of the majority of our fan base, but if I’m wrong on that, I will bow to the majority view as I ask you to do), accept that and if you don’t want to do a TLG by all means stay, but accept that the tide of opinion is against you at this stage and maintain your opinions with dignity and honesty – that has been sadly lacking over the last few days. By all means remain vocal about how important the colours and badge are to you, but don’t use dishonest issues to use for that fight, which is what I think is what’s been done over this issue with MM!

I have always tried to respect all the different views of our fans and when I used to post, always did so by arguing against the pro change posters who used to try to wind up the pro blues - and I trust anyone reading this post will take it in the spirit it’s meant – a challenge to honesty in any protests, as all I want is the best for CCFC (as I’m sure all true fans would want).

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(The reason for my leaving the forum was that I did a post in May outlining that I thought those who celebrated our promotion like crazy whilst singing anti VT songs were complete hypocrites (as it was his money that was far and away the main reason for the promotion) – a view I still hold to as strongly as I ever did. However, Polo(whose views I’ve respected) made a good argument that maybe I was also being hypocritical in posting on an anti VT forum when I was totally behind his vision for the club.

I initially argued against that (using the argument that the top of the page said that “all fans were welcome”), but in truth I ultimately accepted his logic and have not posted from that day to this about CCFC on this forum as I felt I would become a hypocrite to continue to do so (even though I’d posted for a long time before the rebrand, and the only thing that I want is the good of CCFC).

I hate the thought of being a hypocrite myself and just wish others would take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and act honourably from this point on! If it really is the rebrand that is behind all this outpouring of hate over the last week, then come clean and don’t pretend it’s because of the MM issue – have the courage of your convictions and fight on the issue that really matters to you, not a side issue!

I shan’t post regularly again, as I know my views are not welcome on this forum.

A brilliant post and spot on

Spot on post and very true, doubt this post will stay on this board for long .

good post,and spot on

I was at Anfield but I am not someone who wants Tan out and haven't attended any protests and have never sung the Malky song. I'm just a normal fan who wants to watch our club play football that entertains me and hopefully get a bit of success along the way - I've done my time in the lower divisions too, but I don't think it qualifies me to think I am a member of some sort of elite group that gives me the right to speak about our club in the way that some think is acceptable in order to score points or be perceived as ITK. To me some of the abuse that Tan takes is way over the top - does the leader of the Boxing Day protest honestly believe the BBC or Sky is going to show footage of them singing "Vincent Tan is a Wanker" or "f**k off Back to Malaysia" He has pumped a lot of money into our club and whilst I believe he should have stuck to his word regarding the rebrand, in my opinion he does not deserve this current tirade for asking Malky et al, Where did the money go?

Those of us of a certain age can honestly say to the younger fans that you have never had it so good and to those who harp on about rather being in blue in the 4th division with more away fans at NP than home fans - really? I'm not sure I would. Some of the football we have played recently has been similar that's for sure. Personally, I won't wear red, but my youngest who follows the Bluebirds home and away and he wants to wear the kit that his heroes do, so I have no qualms about buying it for him.

Hopefully, we will now get a manager that manages to combine playing attractive football with Premiership survival but lets not have our judgement clouded just because its not Malky. Malky is a top bloke and has acted with great dignity, but I honestly believe he had taken us as far as he could - in a few years time he may well manage a bigger club in the top level, but its not going to be us, so we have to move on.

Its massive game in our season today, so lets get behind the team on the pitch - the players are likely to be feeling low too after that abject performance on Boxing Day and they need our support.

What a great op.
Rebrand apart VT is the greatest owner our club has ever had, his vision and investment can take us into a great future.
Malky did a great job for us, but has taken us as far as he can in view of the breakdown in his relationship with VT.
There has been a bandwagon jump by a lot of people in the last couple of weeks mainly due to some fantastic PR by Malky.
Let's now get behind the club, the new manager and any Rebrand protest, should be exactly that and nothing else.

I don't know about anyone else, but my protest has been about the rebrand and VTs shocking decision set the football club, one of which, is causing the current situation with Mackay.

In fairness, chuckle, you were not one of the people I had in mind, as you have always been thoroughly consistent and I have always completely respected your honesty (especially when you did the post about the last BU march, which must have taken some courage to do, and given your position, it must have been a painful post to write).

I mulled over long and hard whether or not to do this thread, but I would have felt like a coward if I hadn't done it, given my strong feelings on the behaviour I had witnessed.

I await with great interest to see who will respond further - we shall see what transpires!

There was a little bit in your post for chuckles,WANNABE FANS LEADER.

There's a few fans jockeying for position trying to use the mm situation to drive tan out which wont happen, Imo he'll go when he's ready and not before.Lets be honest he was giving the green light for the rebrand so to turn on him now after he's got us to the premier and plowed 130 million into the club is not on.
There's no loyalty in football anymore we all know that and if malky was offered the Everton job his feet wouldn't have touched the floor,he would've gone,as you said he showed no loyalty to Cardiff when asked about the job.
Malkys far from blameless in this whole situation and the right decision was made to let him go,in the end he was dragging the club down just looking for his pay off.I hated his style of play,very negative,very boring and a good chance he would've taken us down.

A bloody good read and top post

I was at Anfield but I am not someone who wants Tan out and haven't attended any protests and have never sung the Malky song. I'm just a normal fan who wants to watch our club play football that entertains me and hopefully get a bit of success along the way - I've done my time in the lower divisions too, but I don't think it qualifies me to think I am a member of some sort of elite group that gives me the right to speak about our club in the way that some think is acceptable in order to score points or be perceived as ITK. To me some of the abuse that Tan takes is way over the top - does the leader of the Boxing Day protest honestly believe the BBC or Sky is going to show footage of them singing "Vincent Tan is a Wanker" or "f**k off Back to Malaysia" He has pumped a lot of money into our club and whilst I believe he should have stuck to his word regarding the rebrand, in my opinion he does not deserve this current tirade for asking Malky et al, Where did the money go?

Those of us of a certain age can honestly say to the younger fans that you have never had it so good and to those who harp on about rather being in blue in the 4th division with more away fans at NP than home fans - really? I'm not sure I would. Some of the football we have played recently has been similar that's for sure. Personally, I won't wear red, but my youngest who follows the Bluebirds home and away and he wants to wear the kit that his heroes do, so I have no qualms about buying it for him.

Hopefully, we will now get a manager that manages to combine playing attractive football with Premiership survival but lets not have our judgement clouded just because its not Malky. Malky is a top bloke and has acted with great dignity, but I honestly believe he had taken us as far as he could - in a few years time he may well manage a bigger club in the top level, but its not going to be us, so we have to move on.

Its massive game in our season today, so lets get behind the team on the pitch - the players are likely to be feeling low too after that abject performance on Boxing Day and they need our support.

That's another Top Post....

I wondered if common sense had left city supporters but finally a post that sums everything up. Excellent post.

In fairness, chuckle, you were not one of the people I had in mind, as you have always been thoroughly consistent and I have always completely respected your honesty (especially when you did the post about the last BU march, which must have taken some courage to do, and given your position, it must have been a painful post to write).

I mulled over long and hard whether or not to do this thread, but I would have felt like a coward if I hadn't done it, given my strong feelings on the behaviour I had witnessed.

I await with great interest to see who will respond further - we shall see what transpires!

I know that this wasn't aimed at me... But I thought I'd give my two pence worth. the protest on Thursday was great, but was very muddied - what were people protesting for?

I was protesting about the rebrand - whilst I didn't want Mackay sacked, it became necessary to save the season. I certainly won't be protesting over that.

Excellent post, please start posting again.