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True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:51 am

Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:58 am

True. Its only 1 bad defeat, a point at stoke doesnt seem so bad now considering they just beat chelsea. A point from our 2 home games with man utd and arsenal? Not bad either, we played well. I guess its the manner of the defeat yesterday as out of the last 4 games yesterday was deemed most win-able by us, this is cardiff city though, arse backwards. i knew we'd blow it yesterday. Im amazed so many seem to forget. We really need Cornilius to be the man we hoped he would be.
ps
i love the way a few jacks have appeared back on here, talk about crawling out from under the stone for the last month, one bad game and look who's out.....maybe we should remind them of their 2nd half capitulation a month ago.... :lol:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:15 am

We are nearly always last on MOTD, we are probably the least attractive team in the division.

We had two chances yesterday, if the chamak goal had fallen to us we wouldn't have had a forward within 10 metres of the ball.

Malkys tactics are not working in the premier league. Pulis schooled him yesterday, he knew how we would set up and totally bypassed our 5 man central midfield. 57% possession meant nothing with gaping gaps between Campbell and the midfield. The game is about scoring goals

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:19 am

Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Very true Annis :thumbup:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:20 am

It will be a huge party. But we need point on the board which means scoring goals to state the bleeding obvious. Next home game I would like to see 4 - 4 - 2,
KCT - Caulker - Turner - Taylor
Noone - Medel - Gunnerson - Bellers
Cornelius - Campbell

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:21 am

Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Very True, I will back Malky 100% but starting to get worried, :malky:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:22 am

Ive lost faith in him totally. He isnt learning, thats the problem. He is as stubborn if not more so than DJ.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:23 am

Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


True, if only things were that simple

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:24 am

goats wrote: We really need Cornilius to be the man we hoped he would be.


Thing is though, without a second striker, or playmaker just behind him, or even a pair of wingers, Cornelius is going to be as ineffectual as any other striker playing up there by himself...

Yes, I'll be happy if we're 17th come the last day of the season because we will have achieved the aim of staying up.

However, I'll never understand how we can go to Fulham and boss the game, creating umpteen chances, and yet go to places like Norwich, Villa, Stoke and Palace and park the bus. For me, we need to be attacking those teams.

It's like going on Who Wants To Be a Millionaire and being happy to walk away with 1k even though you've not used any of your lifelines...

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:31 am

Mooncow wrote:Tan hasnt invested £50 million in players over the last 18 months to survive relegation by a point playing such unattractive football.

In order to get a return he wants the club to seem attractive to buyers and sponsors alike.

The fans may be happy but he wont and will act upon it long before it gets to that stage IMO. Malky is playing the worst brand of football the premier league has seen for a long time.

Currently going into one of the toughest 6 weeks we could ask uo against Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham and Man Utd for while averaging less than a point a game is not good.


Morning roathie :thumbup:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:35 am

It was an emarresment yesterday paid good money to watch shit... I lobe malkey but to be fair I think he has lost the plot 2/0 down to bottem of league side and he takes off Campbell our best player on the day... Ben turner couldn't play football if some1 held a gun to his head.... Whittingham who I love is just a baby there's more bollox in my 5 year old.. we got one of the most exciting young wingers in the league IME sat on the bench in noonie and bellas can't get a look in
SORT IT OUT MALKEY PLZ BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:40 am

Roathie or not, the post is spot on!

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:41 am

From FB

John S Morgan Big IF now, if he can't change his tactics we're fucked. January has to be written off, so the last two games and wba were must wins.
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Annis Abraham Jnr II John, not a big if, Malky took us up and deserves the chance to keep us up.
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Gareth Eames You will end up with Ian Holloway lol
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Barrie Jones Agree Annis . But i hope hes a little more attacking against wba sat weve got to start picking up points very quicklty <o>
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Annis Abraham Jnr II Barrie, only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.
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Barrie Jones Malky is a legend and will go down in City history for winning the title. I will give as always my full support to him and the team but i would love to see a couple of wingerss. In Malky i trust
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Gary Jones The wba game is huge for MM ,tan just needs an excuse to sack him .
With the transfer window looming will tan spend à few mill and will he trust mm with it .With the stadium expansion beginning ,he needs the club to stay in the prem ,some Big decisions coming up i think .Big week coming up
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Richard Locke We have to stick by him for this season. However if we lose to wba, losing to Liverpool is inevitable and I think tan will get rid of him. I believe tan will want someone in ready for January's transfer market. Hopefully we can get a string of positive results and get over this December line and malky can dip into the market himself. We need some quality and some fresh legs
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John S Morgan Of course he deserves the chance but he needs to be more attack minded Odemwankie is piss poor. Start with two up front and attacking wingers. Noone needs to start. We all know it's speed that's needed to turn and worry a defense
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Jamie Rees Clearly your forgetting the amount he has spent on this squad , played off the park yesterday by a team full of cast offs ... We will be in the bottom 3 come jan , wonder if u will still be sticking by him then
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Gareth Eames Palace looked doomed but they will stay up now
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MichaelDawn Picton In Malky we trust BlueBirds
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Richard Locke Jamie. We have favourable home games in December with wba, saints are winable and Sunderland. How can you say we will be in bottom 3 come jan?
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Stephen Howe Everyone knew this year was going to be up and down. Give MM a chance to keep us up. I don't care if it is on goal difference last game off the season just keep the faith and support the boys.
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Richard Locke If we win sat we could be 5 places above relegation zone. .................if I remember. What we dont need is to start panicking. Lets get behind malky and the boys. What will be will be but at least we can all try
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Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:48 am

Everybody at the start of the season would have been happy just to avoid relegation,what's annoying most people is the totally negative tactics with malky seemingly not interested in changing them,I d much rather go down knowing we had a right go,rather than defend for our lives hoping for the odd win or draw,villa and stoke were there for the taking but we gained just the one point

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:49 am

Against Utd , city and swansea we played with width using quick players out wide supporting the striker on the counter attack and a playmaker in the hole behind the striker .

Now we play with a flat 3 in midfield and 2 defensive midfielders using players like Cowie and whitts out wide . It blatantly doesn't work and Malkey no matter how much I like the guy is getting it majorly wrong and costing us points .
All he is doing in reality is shutting up shop from kick off because he is too scared to lose and that is a bad trait to have . No manager in their right mind can honestly believe that going to a bottom of the table club like palace and playing a defensive 4-5-1 is the correct way of going about that game .

It was crying out for width , pace and clever passing . We possess all three in our squad when the right team is chosen , as we have proved on a few occasions this year when he does get the mix right . We needed to keep the ball off palace instead we invited them to attack .

What you have to remember is without the 3 shock/great results we have had this season we would be bottom , out of form , unable to score , conceding goals to easily and with a very tough run of fixtures coming up we would be bankers for relegation .

He may be a great guy , but is he the right guy ?
I still believe he can keep us up so he's still got my support (for now) but I'm close to the line .

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:52 am

No. Sorry but nice guy he is, he's out of his depth.
I think ANY manager who had spent the funds we had last season and didn't go up would have been sacked. Will always be grateful for his efforts in achieving promotion, but unfortunately I honestly feel if we are to survive in the Prem then we need to copy Southampton. They haven't done too bad in changing. They obviously thought Atkins had taken them as far as he can and moved him on.
The team is set up not to lose but to counter attack or rely on a set piece to nick a goal.
We have no width or pace but do play with 5 central midfielders in the middle! How the Hell can that be right?
Hoof balls to a lone striker giving away possession and we defend again. Did I hear a stat that we allow more attempts on our goal than any other team except Fulham? Spurs, Norwich on and on and on.
If all we can do is ignore the midfield and hit it long, then ok not great, but I'll accept that's our 'style' no matter how bad it looks. But for the love of God give Campbell some company in Cornelius to at least get some height comparison with the central defenders.
I really did think against Man U that we had finally turned a corner as we looked a threat all game and mainly kept it on the floor. Are the players being told to play it long?
Don't like to see managers being replaced but it is as they say results driven and the results and particularly the performances have not been good enough. If Tan is going to invest more cash, then he should give it to someone else who has more experience. Be useful if they knew a central defender and a winger.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:55 am

caerblue wrote:Everybody at the start of the season would have been happy just to avoid relegation,what's annoying most people is the totally negative tactics with malky seemingly not interested in changing them,I d much rather go down knowing we had a right go,rather than defend for our lives hoping for the odd win or draw,villa and stoke were there for the taking but we gained just the one point


Yes, it's ok grinding out 1-0 wins by parking the bus and relying on corners and free kicks ( a la Jacks and Man C games), but people soon start to pick holes when the results don't happen.

Personally, I feel if we are to go down, let's go down playing football and be entertaining.

The majority of City games this season have had me wishing I'd brought my 'War and Peace' novel to read during the games FFS!!

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:04 am

thomasblue wrote:Against Utd , city and swansea we played with width using quick players out wide supporting the striker on the counter attack and a playmaker in the hole behind the striker .

Now we play with a flat 3 in midfield and 2 defensive midfielders using players like Cowie and whitts out wide . It blatantly doesn't work and Malkey no matter how much I like the guy is getting it majorly wrong and costing us points .
All he is doing in reality is shutting up shop from kick off because he is too scared to lose and that is a bad trait to have . No manager in their right mind can honestly believe that going to a bottom of the table club like palace and playing a defensive 4-5-1 is the correct way of going about that game .

It was crying out for width , pace and clever passing . We possess all three in our squad when the right team is chosen , as we have proved on a few occasions this year when he does get the mix right . We needed to keep the ball off palace instead we invited them to attack .

What you have to remember is without the 3 shock/great results we have had this season we would be bottom , out of form , unable to score , conceding goals to easily and with a very tough run of fixtures coming up we would be bankers for relegation .

He may be a great guy , but is he the right guy ?
I still believe he can keep us up so he's still got my support (for now) but I'm close to the line .



Great post :thumbup: whitts needs to be dropped he has become a liability and we need to start with cornelious along side campbell with noone supplying them with decent crosses.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:12 am

It's True Annis, even if we survive this season on goal difference ,MM would have delivered what the majority of us want.

But isn't it also true that football is no longer a sport but a business, and would you expect any owner of a multi million pound business to sit back and do nothing whilst the source of the millions is at risk.

I simply cannot see Tan doing nothing about our situation and yesterday may well turn out to be the tipping point in respect of MM future with the club.

The biggest truth of all is that football is a results business and right now we don't look likely to get any positive results.


:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:13 am

Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Yes. I'm backing him. Things aren't good at the moment, but he has done very well for us overall. He's a fighter and honourable man. I'm sure he can turn it around. Don't forget what he's had to put up with off the pitch. He deserves our patience and support - some of the ott criticism is shameful IMHO.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:14 am

Lawnmower wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Yes. I'm backing him. Things aren't good at the moment, but he has done very well for us overall. He's a fighter and honourable man. I'm sure he can turn it around. Don't forget what he's had to put up with off the pitch. He deserves our patience and support - some of the ott criticism is shameful IMHO.

The criticism is justified

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:20 am

CraigCCFC wrote:
Lawnmower wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Yes. I'm backing him. Things aren't good at the moment, but he has done very well for us overall. He's a fighter and honourable man. I'm sure he can turn it around. Don't forget what he's had to put up with off the pitch. He deserves our patience and support - some of the ott criticism is shameful IMHO.

The criticism is justified


Not in my opinion.

I think many of you don't know how good you've got it.

Spolit by success. We expect loyalty from him-but many aren't prepared to give it back. The curse of the modern football fan.

'Don't sack Mackay' 1 minute, slagging off Tan for even considering it- 'sack him' the next, at least Tan HASN'T sacked him - seems he's got more loyalty and patience than many of our fans. Malky should be given the chance to put it right. 3 home games in the next 4.

7 points from these and opinions will change.

Just glad I don't work for the trigger happy fans on here. :laughing6:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:23 am

Lawnmower wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Yes. I'm backing him. Things aren't good at the moment, but he has done very well for us overall. He's a fighter and honourable man. I'm sure he can turn it around. Don't forget what he's had to put up with off the pitch. He deserves our patience and support - some of the ott criticism is shameful IMHO.


Tim

Ignoring we all think he's a decent man and in return ignoring the results, I honestly don't think playing with no width with 5 central midfielders to a lone striker is the the mark of a manager who knows what he's doing.
I don't expect us to play like Arsenal. Far from it. But I'd be shocked if Tan allowed this to continue and even more surprised if he gave MM more funds.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:25 am

Fine margins,

I don't want him gone unless we know for certain a better manager is lined up. That's nothing against malky, just always have to push on if the options are about.

If we get relegated playing this football then malky is in danger of tainting his reportation with the fans.

Stay up and he's a hero.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:30 am

Northamptonblues wrote:
Lawnmower wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Be Honest :thumbup:

Only 2 weeks ago Malky was a hero after the draw with Man United and only over a month ago a hero when we beat the Jacks, surely our fans should support him through the bad patches.


If we are where we are now in May 2014, we'll be having a party, with Malky on the top table...

Thats all we ever expected or wanted.

True or Not?


Yes. I'm backing him. Things aren't good at the moment, but he has done very well for us overall. He's a fighter and honourable man. I'm sure he can turn it around. Don't forget what he's had to put up with off the pitch. He deserves our patience and support - some of the ott criticism is shameful IMHO.


Tim

Ignoring we all think he's a decent man and in return ignoring the results, I honestly don't think playing with no width with 5 central midfielders to a lone striker is the the mark of a manager who knows what he's doing.
I don't expect us to play like Arsenal. Far from it. But I'd be shocked if Tan allowed this to continue and even more surprised if he gave MM more funds.


Rob. he got it wrong yesterday no question, as he did 1st half at Norwich. However he got it RIGHT at Stoke and on many other occasions this year. Too early to pull the trigger yet. I bet fans elsewhere can't believe we are even discussing it.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:33 am

I agree with the original statement, but some of the criticism is justified as Malky is not changing a formula that clearly isn't working away from home. Yes, point at Stoke, Norwich and Hull were hard fought and a win at Fulham is creditable, but its the manner of the defeats at West Ham, Villa and Palace that are the issue - you cannot win games if you don't create chances. There comes a point when you have to have a go because we can't rely on beating all of the teams around us at home - they are just as capable of grinding out points away from home as we are and where does that leave us then.

We have some talented footballers in our squad, but it says something when Suarez has scored more goals than our team put together in less games. OK, we don't have anyone of that ability and neither do some of the other sides, but Odemwingie's record in the prem isn't bad, so why can't he do it for us. Where is Bellamy when we need a leader on the pitch? Cowie works hard and is a very useful option off the bench to close a game down when we are winning but should not be a regular starter at this level. Noone and Cornelius - well who knows as we don't usually get to see them for more than five minutes. The constant like for like in taking off Campbell and bringing on Odemwingie doesn't really give tired defenders anything different to think about.

I want Malky to be a success as he is an honourable man and obviously loves this club, but he has to wise up tactically and fast. Hoofball and relying on set pieces just doesn't work in a division packed full of quality players.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:35 am

Annis fans will always change opinions based on results. The United draw was credibly because of the name we were but in truth United were one of the poorest teams we have seen this season. Getting a point at home to United won't keep us up, getting results at places like Stoke and Palace will go along way to keeping us up.

Malky knows how to set up defensively against the bug boys but is then mostly clueless in other games. He hasn't any of the problems from last season, 40m on and we still lack width and a striker of quality to fit into how we play.
Malky has done well but unless he is going to learn from his mistakes then he needs to celebrate replaced.

His subs are generally poor and late.

Most worryingly is his post match interviews he sees a totally different games of chances galore, good football etc.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:48 am

True,

On the other hand he needs to change to 2 up front.

When we played Stoke away, I thought for the last 15 mins we should have gone for it.
It would have been great to play Cornelius up front with Campbell.
Kim needs to play in central midfield and not out wide :ayatollah:

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:56 am

castleblue wrote:It's True Annis, even if we survive this season on goal difference ,MM would have delivered what the majority of us want.

But isn't it also true that football is no longer a sport but a business, and would you expect any owner of a multi million pound business to sit back and do nothing whilst the source of the millions is at risk.

I simply cannot see Tan doing nothing about our situation and yesterday may well turn out to be the tipping point in respect of MM future with the club.

The biggest truth of all is that football is a results business and right now we don't look likely to get any positive results.


:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Bottom line CB.

Re: True or Not?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:57 am

totally agree with 2 blue 2 handle