With BU now seemingly a lost cause, what do we do next?

As BU seem to have alienated more of their supporters over recent weeks, what are we going to do about a return to blue?

I commend BU for what they have tried to do, but unfortunately it looks unlikely that they are going to be able to convince the large proportion of fans who still want us to go back to blue to back Bluebirds Unite.

It's clear from speaking to fans and reading this forum along with twitter and facebook that most fans want to see us back in blue, but are reluctant to join in with protests/marches.

The easiest thing to do is obviously to make a conscious effort to keep wearing as much blue as possible to matches, and bring your blue flags/scarves.
If we can keep the ground looking blue (and hopefully make it more blue), Tan will hopefully start to realise that he is not going to win over the fans on the colour issue.

It's obvious that dialog with the powers that be is not a likely avenue, however we need to stick together and come up with some sensible ideas and suggestions, and try and get all City fans on board.

What can we do?

Good post,the BU have proved beyond any doubt that spitting your dummy out, calling Tan names and ridiculing fellow fans is not the way forward.I think if you can't establish a dialogue on some level then you are pissing in the wind as the previous attempts have shown.The supporters trust may be the only way forward.I've always thought from day one that a confrontational approach was wrong as the owner holds all the cards.Whatever happens people will will have to think carefully before they act.

Let me answer you post, & emphasize on what you have just said,,,, WE stay together,,,& do things Professionally.

All the Cardiff City FC supporters clubs, & message boards, & the Cardiff City Supporters Trust get Together & agree a plan of action.

No more Blue/red,,,,we ALL want BLUE.

This has to be done Professionally!!!

Can never take anything run by Barnett seriously, sadly.

Can never take anything run by Barnett seriously, sadly.

This has nothing to do with Barnett as far as I know.

Can never take anything run by Barnett seriously, sadly.

That's my thoughts on the this matter Barry, who ever posts it. I believe its the only way forward,,,, always have done.

Let me answer you post, & emphasize on what you have just said,,,, WE stay together,,,& do things Professionally.

All the Cardiff City FC supporters clubs, & message boards, & the Cardiff City Supporters Trust get Together & agree a plan of action.

No more Blue/red,,,,we ALL want BLUE.

This has to be done Professionally!!!

I completely agree. I would love it if the recognised organisations and messageboards came together and agreed a plan.
Hopefully we can make this happen.

In the meantime, we need to get fans on board, and come up with real sensible suggestions.

The first step is surely turning the stadium blue. I know it's winter and most jackets are black, but scarves and hats are often worn. I noticed loads of blue hats in the Canton on Sunday. If more people wore blue hats and scarves during the winter it would be a start.

Flags are also a good shout, the Welsh flag in City colours is a good one.

Also on the word of professionalism, there should be no abuse or fascism, this is where BU failed

As BU seem to have alienated more of their supporters over recent weeks, what are we going to do about a return to blue?

I commend BU for what they have tried to do, but unfortunately it looks unlikely that they are going to be able to convince the large proportion of fans who still want us to go back to blue to back Bluebirds Unite.

It's clear from speaking to fans and reading this forum along with twitter and facebook that most fans want to see us back in blue, but are reluctant to join in with protests/marches.

The easiest thing to do is obviously to make a conscious effort to keep wearing as much blue as possible to matches, and bring your blue flags/scarves.
If we can keep the ground looking blue (and hopefully make it more blue), Tan will hopefully start to realise that he is not going to win over the fans on the colour issue.

It's obvious that dialog with the powers that be is not a likely avenue, however we need to stick together and come up with some sensible ideas and suggestions, and try and get all City fans on board.

What can we do?

the time to act was right at the start, but at the time we were a club not only with huge unmanegeable debts,but it was also on the back of a few seasons that had ended disappointingly. maybe if resistance had been stronger then Tan might have at least met with protest leaders.........i think that time has past, we are in the EPL.the stadium is full every game and even being extended there is a waiting list for STs..He is a successful business man, not a fan, not british, not welsh , im sure his view is he doesnt NEED to negotiate, and should he, what next?.. some of our fans think there is some democratic process but there is not,he owns the club, and will run it as he chooses fit.
personally i think the days of protest groups has passed. what we can do is yes,stick together, wear blue dont buy red. in all of this, he can not be anywhere near happy at how our stadium looks on match day, it MUST embarrass him. and he too must be frustrated ,because there is little he can do about it

The first step is surely turning the stadium blue. I know it's winter and most jackets are black, but scarves and hats are often worn. I noticed loads of blue hats in the Canton on Sunday. If more people wore blue hats and scarves during the winter it would be a start.

Flags are also a good shout, the Welsh flag in City colours is a good one.

Also on the word of professionalism, there should be no abuse or fascism, this is where BU failed

You're right, it's a bit more difficult when it's cold. Everyone dig out your blue hats and scarves!

The problem with BU is that like any organisation you are always going to get a wide spectrum of opinions, with some having more extreme views than others.
What we need to ensure is that there aren't opportunities for things to get out of hand, or to lose sight of what our aim really is (ie seeing Cardiff City playing in blue once again.)

As has been mentioned previously, an ideal result would be a joint effort by the established supporters groups/messageboards to come together and draw up a plan.

Until then, any sensible ideas can only be a positive thing.

Previously, the BU petition was shot down because it was open to fans of all clubs.
Some way of polling CCFC members/ST Holders, or a petition that requires a membership number would be a great start.

The first step is surely turning the stadium blue. I know it's winter and most jackets are black, but scarves and hats are often worn. I noticed loads of blue hats in the Canton on Sunday. If more people wore blue hats and scarves during the winter it would be a start.

Flags are also a good shout, the Welsh flag in City colours is a good one.

Also on the word of professionalism, there should be no abuse or fascism, this is where BU failed

Completely agree with this. I have gone from wearing a blue short sleeve polo shirt to a black winter coat because of the freezing conditions but I still have a blue scarf around my neck. One thing scarfgate showed was the effect wearing scarfs has and I would personally love it if we all wore blue scarfs and we all hold our blue scarfs up.

what we can do is yes,stick together, wear blue dont buy red. in all of this, he can not be anywhere near happy at how our stadium looks on match day, it MUST embarrass him. and he too must be frustrated ,because there is little he can do about it

Yes exactly. Many wear blue already, but we need to convince those that don't wear colours to make the effort.

I heard rumours the trust were going to sell blue/white scarves with the proceeds going to charity, but I'm not sure if anything ever came of this.

On that point, I'd be happy to donate some money to buy a shedload of blue scarves from China or somewhere to give out/sell.

BU Is not a lost cause

I'm all for wearing blue, but all tan has to do is have another scarf give away and people will snap them up exactly the same as they did nearly a year ago and we'll be back to square one.

I'm all for wearing blue, but all tan has to do is have another scarf give away and people will snap them up exactly the same as they did nearly a year ago and we'll be back to square one.

Why don't we try and organise a blue scarf giveaway? Obviously not on the scale of Tan's, but it's an option.

As BU seem to have alienated more of their supporters over recent weeks, what are we going to do about a return to blue?

I commend BU for what they have tried to do, but unfortunately it looks unlikely that they are going to be able to convince the large proportion of fans who still want us to go back to blue to back Bluebirds Unite.

It's clear from speaking to fans and reading this forum along with twitter and facebook that most fans want to see us back in blue, but are reluctant to join in with protests/marches.

The easiest thing to do is obviously to make a conscious effort to keep wearing as much blue as possible to matches, and bring your blue flags/scarves.
If we can keep the ground looking blue (and hopefully make it more blue), Tan will hopefully start to realise that he is not going to win over the fans on the colour issue.

It's obvious that dialog with the powers that be is not a likely avenue, however we need to stick together and come up with some sensible ideas and suggestions, and try and get all City fans on board.

What can we do?

Never mind about going back to Blue what are we going to do for a good f*cking laugh on here now they have imploded

I'm all for wearing blue, but all tan has to do is have another scarf give away and people will snap them up exactly the same as they did nearly a year ago and we'll be back to square one.

Why don't we try and organise a blue scarf giveaway? Obviously not on the scale of Tan's, but it's an option.

This is an idea that has been suggested many times and it is a very good idea. But we need two things, organisation and money. You could probably get blue and white scarves wholesale for say £2-3 pound a piece, so you would need say £5000 to buy enough to make any kind of impact on a match. But where do you get the money? The Trust? Fundrasing?

Of course there is the publicity such a fans organised initiative would get.

I'm all for wearing blue, but all tan has to do is have another scarf give away and people will snap them up exactly the same as they did nearly a year ago and we'll be back to square one.

Why don't we try and organise a blue scarf giveaway? Obviously not on the scale of Tan's, but it's an option.

This is an idea that has been suggested many times and it is a very good idea. But we need two things, organisation and money. You could probably get blue and white scarves wholesale for say £2-3 pound a piece, so you would need say £5000 to buy enough to make any kind of impact on a match. But where do you get the money? The Trust? Fundrasing?

Of course there is the publicity such a fans organised initiative would get.

Perhaps someone we can all trust who has contacts like Annis could set up an online fund raising account where we can all contribute a quid or two? We all know Annis would be in the Ninian before the game as well, so maybe a kitty could be put to one side and kept safe in the Ninian until a big enough amount has been contributed? Sorry to use you Annis, I don't mean to put any pressure on. But to pull this off, we need someone well known fronting it and I know you're 100% blue.

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I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

Ideally, all key bodies representing supporters can work together to provide a solution.

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

Ideally, all key bodies representing supporters can work together to provide a solution.

there were many on here last week,myself included, willing you to ditch the Tan out stuff. it wasnt anti blue, or anti BU. it was wishing youd have a good look at what the large majority thought as opposed to reading what was on your FBpage , it was at one time ALL about blue,and that alone was always going to be a long patient fight. seems frustration got the better and it moved on to anti Tan. i hate what he did with with the colours, but overall he has done lots of good,the vast majority of people ive talked to seem to share that view. i think the march just confirmed what most feared,it was anti tan 1st and foremost, the racism if it did or didnt happen is by and by, most just want blue back, how do you now convince people that you are not an anti tan protest group.......or are you?. i wish you were not, wish you were not last sunday

Place a bomb in mcdonalds?

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

Ideally, all key bodies representing supporters can work together to provide a solution.

there were many on here last week,myself included, willing you to ditch the Tan out stuff. it wasnt anti blue, or anti BU. it was wishing youd have a good look at what the large majority thought as opposed to reading what was on your FBpage , it was at one time ALL about blue,and that alone was always going to be a long patient fight. seems frustration got the better and it moved on to anti Tan. i hate what he did with with the colours, but overall he has done lots of good,the vast majority of people ive talked to seem to share that view. i think the march just confirmed what most feared,it was anti tan 1st and foremost, the racism if it did or didnt happen is by and by, most just want blue back, how do you now convince people that you are not an anti tan protest group.......or are you?. i wish you were not, wish you were not last sunday

I should start by saying, I'm not directly involved with BU but have enormous amounts of time for the key people behind the group. Sian Branson is a natural leader with lots of drive and determination. I back their key goal which has always been a return of the blue and bluebird. I've also attended several of their events, so I could best be described as an active supporter.

On the whole, BU get an awful lot more right than they do wrong and despite the feeding frenzy that has surrounded their every move, I firmly believe that what they've achieved thus far has been admirable.

It also has to be said that I'd like to see them start tweaking things to leave themselves less exposed to what is frequently entirely disproportionate criticism. Personally, I would drop the Facebook page as soon as possible. It seems that much of the abuse that they get emanates from that page or failing that just use it solely for public statements and announcements but disable the comments section. It's just not worth the grief trying to effectively manage and monitor comments on what is, let's be fair, still a hugely emotive topic. It is proving to be their Achilles heel and detracting from all of the great stuff - and there is plenty - that they've achieved so far.

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

Ideally, all key bodies representing supporters can work together to provide a solution.

there were many on here last week,myself included, willing you to ditch the Tan out stuff. it wasnt anti blue, or anti BU. it was wishing youd have a good look at what the large majority thought as opposed to reading what was on your FBpage , it was at one time ALL about blue,and that alone was always going to be a long patient fight. seems frustration got the better and it moved on to anti Tan. i hate what he did with with the colours, but overall he has done lots of good,the vast majority of people ive talked to seem to share that view. i think the march just confirmed what most feared,it was anti tan 1st and foremost, the racism if it did or didnt happen is by and by, most just want blue back, how do you now convince people that you are not an anti tan protest group.......or are you?. i wish you were not, wish you were not last sunday

I should start by saying, I'm not directly involved with BU but have enormous amounts of time for the key people behind the group. Sian Branson is a natural leader with lots of drive and determination. I back their key goal which has always been a return of the blue and bluebird. I've also attended several of their events, so I could best be described as an active supporter.

On the whole, BU get an awful lot more right than they do wrong and despite the feeding frenzy that has surrounded their every move, I firmly believe that what they've achieved thus far has been admirable.

It also has to be said that I'd like to see them start tweaking things to leave themselves less exposed to what is frequently entirely disproportionate criticism. Personally, I would drop the Facebook page as soon as possible. It seems that much of the abuse that they get emanates from that page or failing that just use it solely for public statements and announcements but disable the comments section. It's just not worth the grief trying to effectively manage and monitor comments on what is, let's be fair, still a hugely emotive topic. It is proving to be their Achilles heel and detracting from all of the great stuff - and there is plenty - that they've achieved so far.

the group were set up in an attempt to get our colours back.and i assume by the name ,to unite pro blue fans in this quest.
we are no closer to getting blue back.it could be argued that of late the groups anti tan stance has done more harm than good.
as for being united, there is plenty of blue visible on match days,so there are plenty of pro blues out there which BU has failed to unite behind their protests / activities.
every fan has a view on most things, this really should have been kept simple BLUE..just blue..the minute you introduce a second agenda { tan out }. you instantly divide the group {pro blues } which is your target following. you then have one group calling the other { all pro blue } sell outs, soul sellers.......
was said on here last night......if this was a business the managers would be sacked..ALL that blue in the ground,and such a small protest ? think its time people looked inward

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

Ideally, all key bodies representing supporters can work together to provide a solution.

there were many on here last week,myself included, willing you to ditch the Tan out stuff. it wasnt anti blue, or anti BU. it was wishing youd have a good look at what the large majority thought as opposed to reading what was on your FBpage , it was at one time ALL about blue,and that alone was always going to be a long patient fight. seems frustration got the better and it moved on to anti Tan. i hate what he did with with the colours, but overall he has done lots of good,the vast majority of people ive talked to seem to share that view. i think the march just confirmed what most feared,it was anti tan 1st and foremost, the racism if it did or didnt happen is by and by, most just want blue back, how do you now convince people that you are not an anti tan protest group.......or are you?. i wish you were not, wish you were not last sunday

I should start by saying, I'm not directly involved with BU but have enormous amounts of time for the key people behind the group. Sian Branson is a natural leader with lots of drive and determination. I back their key goal which has always been a return of the blue and bluebird. I've also attended several of their events, so I could best be described as an active supporter.

On the whole, BU get an awful lot more right than they do wrong and despite the feeding frenzy that has surrounded their every move, I firmly believe that what they've achieved thus far has been admirable.

It also has to be said that I'd like to see them start tweaking things to leave themselves less exposed to what is frequently entirely disproportionate criticism. Personally, I would drop the Facebook page as soon as possible. It seems that much of the abuse that they get emanates from that page or failing that just use it solely for public statements and announcements but disable the comments section. It's just not worth the grief trying to effectively manage and monitor comments on what is, let's be fair, still a hugely emotive topic. It is proving to be their Achilles heel and detracting from all of the great stuff - and there is plenty - that they've achieved so far.

the group were set up in an attempt to get our colours back.and i assume by the name ,to unite pro blue fans in this quest.
we are no closer to getting blue back.it could be argued that of late the groups anti tan stance has done more harm than good.
as for being united, there is plenty of blue visible on match days,so there are plenty of pro blues out there which BU has failed to unite behind their protests / activities.
every fan has a view on most things, this really should have been kept simple BLUE..just blue..the minute you introduce a second agenda { tan out }. you instantly divide the group {pro blues } which is your target following. you then have one group calling the other { all pro blue } sell outs, soul sellers.......
was said on here last night......if this was a business the managers would be sacked..ALL that blue in the ground,and such a small protest ? think its time people looked inward

Tbf, unless I've missed it, I've never actually heard BU issue a statement directly calling for 'Tan out.'

Likewise, the last flier - publicising the march - was still based around seeing the traditional identity restored. I do agree, though, that the main goal for BU should remain seeing the blue reinstated.

I think BU are far from "a lost cause."

The committee have already showed huge drive and impressive organisational abilities. They've barely been around for six months and have already held three marches, organised and paid for a billboard, staged a couple of very well attended get togethers in Canton, put together a petition signed by thousands of people, as well as holding several planning and committee meetings. Not bad for unpaid volunteers!

Do they need to change tack slightly? Yes, of course they do. Any organisation always has to evolve sensibly in order to keep growing.

Far from bring "a lost cause," though,I would argue that they are simply at a crossroads. What they do next is important but it would be churlish and frankly ridiculous to dismiss all of their hard work to date.

You are probably right, maybe I didn't phrase it in the best way.

From what I've read on here and facebook/twitter in recent days, it seems as if it's going to be impossible to persuade even fans that want the blue back to support BU.

I'm not trying to knock BU as such, and maybe I'm just annoyed by all of the bickering/arguing that has been going on over the last few days/weeks.
The billboard was great, and they have generated some good publicity.

My concern is that a large proportion of the fans will not support BU, and it will end up becoming more of a minority/extreme group.

I'm just trying to unite the fanbase, and come up with ideas that all fans will welcome.

There's no reason this can't be done in conjunction with/alongside other existing organisations.

Ideally, all key bodies representing supporters can work together to provide a solution.

there were many on here last week,myself included, willing you to ditch the Tan out stuff. it wasnt anti blue, or anti BU. it was wishing youd have a good look at what the large majority thought as opposed to reading what was on your FBpage , it was at one time ALL about blue,and that alone was always going to be a long patient fight. seems frustration got the better and it moved on to anti Tan. i hate what he did with with the colours, but overall he has done lots of good,the vast majority of people ive talked to seem to share that view. i think the march just confirmed what most feared,it was anti tan 1st and foremost, the racism if it did or didnt happen is by and by, most just want blue back, how do you now convince people that you are not an anti tan protest group.......or are you?. i wish you were not, wish you were not last sunday

I should start by saying, I'm not directly involved with BU but have enormous amounts of time for the key people behind the group. Sian Branson is a natural leader with lots of drive and determination. I back their key goal which has always been a return of the blue and bluebird. I've also attended several of their events, so I could best be described as an active supporter.

On the whole, BU get an awful lot more right than they do wrong and despite the feeding frenzy that has surrounded their every move, I firmly believe that what they've achieved thus far has been admirable.

It also has to be said that I'd like to see them start tweaking things to leave themselves less exposed to what is frequently entirely disproportionate criticism. Personally, I would drop the Facebook page as soon as possible. It seems that much of the abuse that they get emanates from that page or failing that just use it solely for public statements and announcements but disable the comments section. It's just not worth the grief trying to effectively manage and monitor comments on what is, let's be fair, still a hugely emotive topic. It is proving to be their Achilles heel and detracting from all of the great stuff - and there is plenty - that they've achieved so far.

the group were set up in an attempt to get our colours back.and i assume by the name ,to unite pro blue fans in this quest.
we are no closer to getting blue back.it could be argued that of late the groups anti tan stance has done more harm than good.
as for being united, there is plenty of blue visible on match days,so there are plenty of pro blues out there which BU has failed to unite behind their protests / activities.
every fan has a view on most things, this really should have been kept simple BLUE..just blue..the minute you introduce a second agenda { tan out }. you instantly divide the group {pro blues } which is your target following. you then have one group calling the other { all pro blue } sell outs, soul sellers.......
was said on here last night......if this was a business the managers would be sacked..ALL that blue in the ground,and such a small protest ? think its time people looked inward

Tbf, unless I've missed it, I've never actually heard BU issue a statement directly calling for 'Tan out.'

Likewise, the last flier - publicising the march - was still based around seeing the traditional identity restored. I do agree, though, that the main goal for BU should remain seeing the blue reinstated.

there were plenty of calls for clarity. a picture of the dictator tan go home banner was on here last week. as of course were many views from BU supporters..went down like a lead balloon. the concerns were obviously seen by Jon Candy because he came online and replied to a question { but did not give a definitive answer }. there were many on here,myself included that feared for BU far more than the leadership of BU did. numbers were dwindling ,but the reasons were not identified by BU.
so you are correct....NO official statement from BU saying they want tan out {chuckles kept repeating this last week }.
but thousands DID think that is BUs agenda . if it is..say it........if not ..refute it STRONGLY.
its no good just saying no official statement and leaving it at that...........my view as you know..is if you want tan out..leave it out of the protests, tell people,your welcome to want him out,but that is not what we are protesting about. it really does not unite people

Tbf, unless I've missed it, I've never actually heard BU issue a statement directly calling for 'Tan out.'

Your a week late on that one Alfie.

Chuckles was singing that tune all last week "official statement" blah de blah de blah and since he attended the march he had held his hands up and said he got it wrong. He felt the march was more about Tan out than a celebration of the blue.

This is where its going wrong for BU because whilst im sure everyone who gives a f**k want the blue back, the vast majority dont want Tan out.

Tbf, unless I've missed it, I've never actually heard BU issue a statement directly calling for 'Tan out.'

Your a week late on that one Alfie.

Chuckles was singing that tune all last week "official statement" blah de blah de blah and since he attended the march he had held his hands up and said he got it wrong. He felt the march was more about Tan out than a celebration of the blue.

This is where its going wrong for BU because whilst im sure everyone who gives a f**k want the blue back, the vast majority dont want Tan out.

ive read on another thread ,Alf saying we have all got hold of the wrong end of the stick, they dont want his head on a stake,just want him to sell.
it seems no matter how many times people say a TAN OUT message divides fans they just dont get it.
give me a welsh, Cardiff through and through chairman/ owner any day.. but with enough money to buy him out,there just arnt any.
if any business was losing custom or massively under achieving, and then found out that a large number of potential customers were not using them due to a misconception. would they say ,but we havent made an official statement saying that?..or would they make a strong official statement correcting those misconceptions.. no..no official statement

Tbf, unless I've missed it, I've never actually heard BU issue a statement directly calling for 'Tan out.'

Your a week late on that one Alfie.

Chuckles was singing that tune all last week "official statement" blah de blah de blah and since he attended the march he had held his hands up and said he got it wrong. He felt the march was more about Tan out than a celebration of the blue.

This is where its going wrong for BU because whilst im sure everyone who gives a f**k want the blue back, the vast majority dont want Tan out.

ive read on another thread ,Alf saying we have all got hold of the wrong end of the stick, they dont want his head on a stake,just want him to sell.
it seems no matter how many times people say a TAN OUT message divides fans they just dont get it.
give me a welsh, Cardiff through and through chairman/ owner any day.. but with enough money to buy him out,there just arnt any.
if any business was losing custom or massively under achieving, and then found out that a large number of potential customers were not using them due to a misconception. would they say ,but we havent made an official statement saying that?..or would they make a strong official statement correcting those misconceptions.. no..no official statement

So all of the various posters writing posts on here and the messages on facebook and Twitter calling for Tan to sell up (in less polite terms... ) in the fortnight after 'Moodygate' were a figment of my imagination, were they?

Now, as much as my personal preference is for Tan to sell up at his earliest convenience, I'm fully aware that many Cardiff City supporters have now backtracked considerably from their 'Tan Out' stance of a month or so ago (post Moodygate), and I agree that BU would be better off issuing a statement reiterating that they are not a 'Tan Out' group as that is clearly not the majority view at the moment. Mind you, should they really even need to, given that a 'Tan Out' march was never their stated aim in the first place!