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missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:40 am

So looks like there's some new evidence in the missing maddy case - e fits of a man the police want to urgently speak to, what's your opinion on the whole thing ?

In my honest opinion the whole thing just doesn't really add up - the mccans in my opinion are guilty as sin ! How could they leave their child in a hotel room on her own in a foreign country ? What type of parents are they ?

They are covering up for something they have done.

If the parents are found guilty how long would they get and for what ? (I.e - manslaughter murder etc..)

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:13 am

I totaly agree.
Somthing aint right there atall.
Im allso think they are hiding somthing here, but even if they are innocent of hur well being! They guilty of leaving here alone.
And was there not 2 other kids with her allso?
I mean who the f**k lets 3 kids sleep wile they go out on the piss and wile in a foreign country.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:16 am

Got to admit allso im tierd of listening to it as I am with the Liverpool fans with Hillsborough.
They think they are innocent and the world owes them grief, yet they forget it was liverpool fans who killed 39 italians at hysel in the 90s because they chased them .

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:29 am

You do feel some sympathy for them
But
Why did they leave the kids alone in the first place any decent parents would never dream of doing this its child neglect & poor parenting.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:41 am

The one thing I've hoped for over the last few years is that she turns up alive and well; of course her parents were daft to leave their kids alone like they did, but above all else I hope she is found.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:28 am

Theyve paid the ultimate price for sure.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:38 am

I do think they are guilty (accidental death covered up in panic) but fed up of everyone bleating on about it. If they are guilty then they've already faced the worst possible punishment and that is losing a child. Its a shame all the comments channeled towards them and turned into efforts to find Maddy in the hope that she is still alive.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:15 am

Read this ,tells you so much about the case ,and this is done by the Portugese copper who was in charge and wrote this book only for the mccanns to get it banned ,lots of points in here that ring true and yet the mccanns dismiss lots of it .Read the 180 odd points ,does take a while but well worth it .

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id363.html

My thoughts are that they know more than they are letting on but like others say on here how the hell can you leave your kids in a room to go on the piss with friends..shocking !!!....and yet they never seem to admit to that being there fault .

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:20 am

d20 wrote:Read this ,tells you so much about the case ,and this is done by the Portugese copper who was in charge and wrote this book only for the mccanns to get it banned ,lots of points in here that ring true and yet the mccanns dismiss lots of it .Read the 180 odd points ,does take a while but well worth it .

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id363.html

My thoughts are that they know more than they are letting on but like others say on here how the hell can you leave your kids in a room to go on the piss with friends..shocking !!!....and yet they never seem to admit to that being there fault .


Cmon fella I bet the fact they left them alone haunts them every day and will do for the rest of their lives.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:33 am

Im not saying it doesn't but i got boys and have been away and I dont let them out of my sight and as for a night out if there tired then me and the wife go back to the room with them,its about the boy snot you as parents pissing it up.Just read the link and you'll see its not exactly what the mccanns say they contradict themselves on so many things ,I really feel for the poor girl .

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:48 am

Im not condoning it one bit, we would never leave our girls out of our sight, in fact my oldest is nearly 9 and she isnt allowed out to play yet. I probably spend £100 a month sending her to Brownies, Netball, Orchestra, Street Dancing, Youth Club.etc rather than let her play outside.

I just think its a bit harsh to say they wont accept any of the blame, I bet there isnt a day gone by where they havent blamed themselves.

They made an awful decision, and paid the ultimate price.

But for their other 2 kids I reckon the mother would have killed herself because of the guilt by now.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:50 am

Agree with you its just that even early on they never admitted to a mistake in leaving them,just blamed everyone else .I just think there's more to it .

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:55 am

I think the only thing the Mcann's are guilty of is gross stupidity in leaving her alone whilst they went out. Their defence was that they were still on the complex having a drink & a meal is nonsense as they still left her.
I like many of you have been away numerous times when my kids were small & we wouldn't even leave them with a recognised baby sitter. If we went out, the kids came with us.
However, I can't imagine the pain & regret the Mcann's have felt every day since.
They have pushed & pushed beyond belief to keep the inquiry going all these years. I have my doubts but I hope the poor girl is found eventually.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:04 am

It is incredible that anyone would leave 3 young kids on their own abroad especially as the youngest ones were just toddlers. They are obviously a well off couple so why could they not have arranged a babysitter?

The thing that really bothers me is that they now have these new leads as a result of tracing the mobile phone records in the area at the time of the incident. Surely this should have been done at the time and not years later when the trail has gone cold.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:07 am

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:I think the only thing the Mcann's are guilty of is gross stupidity in leaving her alone whilst they went out. Their defence was that they were still on the complex having a drink & a meal is nonsense as they still left her.
I like many of you have been away numerous times when my kids were small & we wouldn't even leave them with a recognised baby sitter. If we went out, the kids came with us.
However, I can't imagine the pain & regret the Mcann's have felt every day since.
They have pushed & pushed beyond belief to keep the inquiry going all these years. I have my doubts but I hope the poor girl is found eventually.


I can never understand people who leave their kids with babysitters on holiday.

Last 3 holidays weve had weve been to 5 star holiday villages who lay on this kind of service and I think its an absolute disgrace seeing kids as young as 1, screaming and crying being left with a child carer.

If you dont want your kids on holiday with you dont bother having a holiday with them, or better still dont have kids in the first place!!!

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:16 am

Spot on Mario.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:00 am

I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:03 am

boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:08 am

If the parents of maddie were some state spongers with no intelligence they would have been charged with neglect.

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Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:14 am

Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.


Maybe im angry towards them because of my situation around the same time,but never the less I cant fore see a time where I would leave my son on his own on holidays.To me a holiday is bout us as a family,not just the mrs n i

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:16 am

boxerbob wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.


Maybe im angry towards them because of my situation around the same time,but never the less I cant fore see a time where I would leave my son on his own on holidays.To me a holiday is bout us as a family,not just the mrs n i


Exactly. Dont get me wrong I like to enjoy myself on holidays and kick back with a few beers but my biggest pleasure is watching my kids enjoy themselves and make friends and interact with new kids theve never met before.

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:21 am

Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.


Maybe im angry towards them because of my situation around the same time,but never the less I cant fore see a time where I would leave my son on his own on holidays.To me a holiday is bout us as a family,not just the mrs n i


Exactly. Dont get me wrong I like to enjoy myself on holidays and kick back with a few beers but my biggest pleasure is watching my kids enjoy themselves and make friends and interact with new kids theve never met before.


I agree,i don't drink as a rule.On holidays I like to sample a few but within reason.I always like to be aware of my surroundings tho.I just think im a bit over protective since my boy was born

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:25 am

Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.


Maybe im angry towards them because of my situation around the same time,but never the less I cant fore see a time where I would leave my son on his own on holidays.To me a holiday is bout us as a family,not just the mrs n i


Exactly. Dont get me wrong I like to enjoy myself on holidays and kick back with a few beers but my biggest pleasure is watching my kids enjoy themselves and make friends and interact with new kids theve never met before.


spot on mario,totally agree

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:27 am

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:I think the only thing the Mcann's are guilty of is gross stupidity in leaving her alone whilst they went out. Their defence was that they were still on the complex having a drink & a meal is nonsense as they still left her.
I like many of you have been away numerous times when my kids were small & we wouldn't even leave them with a recognised baby sitter. If we went out, the kids came with us.
However, I can't imagine the pain & regret the Mcann's have felt every day since.
They have pushed & pushed beyond belief to keep the inquiry going all these years. I have my doubts but I hope the poor girl is found eventually.


Don't believe all the bullshit about "a clear line of sight" (to the apartment) they came out with in the aftermath. I know the area, I have family living no more than 200 mtrs away from that dreadful place. I've spent a lot of time there over the years. I have fairly strong opinions on the type of parents they are/ were and they simply don't come from the same world as me or share my family values. What I will say is that even if by some miracle they had been able to see something from where they were sitting they couldn't possibly have got there quickly enough to do anything about it.

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:39 am

boxerbob wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.


Maybe im angry towards them because of my situation around the same time,but never the less I cant fore see a time where I would leave my son on his own on holidays.To me a holiday is bout us as a family,not just the mrs n i


Exactly. Dont get me wrong I like to enjoy myself on holidays and kick back with a few beers but my biggest pleasure is watching my kids enjoy themselves and make friends and interact with new kids theve never met before.


I agree,i don't drink as a rule.On holidays I like to sample a few but within reason.I always like to be aware of my surroundings tho.I just think im a bit over protective since my boy was born


Totally understandable Bob.

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:45 am

d20 wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:
boxerbob wrote:I lost my daughter 3days after maddy went missing and remember feeling mad about this incident.I've always laid the blame on them to a certain degree.I cant imagine leaving my kids with any1 on holidays.If you decide to have kids,their welfare comes 1st,not your own :(


Sorry to hear that Bob, I cannot even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a child.


Maybe im angry towards them because of my situation around the same time,but never the less I cant fore see a time where I would leave my son on his own on holidays.To me a holiday is bout us as a family,not just the mrs n i


Exactly. Dont get me wrong I like to enjoy myself on holidays and kick back with a few beers but my biggest pleasure is watching my kids enjoy themselves and make friends and interact with new kids theve never met before.


spot on mario,totally agree


It can have its downsides though. 2 years ago my little girl made friend with this right little brat, and her parents were snobs. She was a lady of leisure and he had his own hair salon. I had feck all in common with them, definite lavender marriage. They would be sunbathing and palming this bloody brat and the little brother off on us all the time, even to the point of asking if their kids could come to lunch with us as they were hungry but the parents werent!!!. :evil:

The wife had cracking norks though if I do say. :lol:

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:52 am

Read this open letter by an ex copper to crimewatch tonight

Its the Cadavor dogs that stand out for me.

Mr Gavin Cappelle, Production Co-ordinator and Mr Joe Mather, Series Editor,
BBC Crimewatch Programme
BBC Broadcasting House
Portland Place
LONDON
W1A 1AA

Also for the attention of presenters Kirsty Young, Matthew Amroliwala and Martin Bayfield

By email to:
gavin.chappelle@bbc.co.uk
joe.mather@bbc.co.uk
kirsty.young@bbc.co.uk
matthew.amroliwala@bbc.co.uk
martin.bayfield@bbc.co.uk

Dear Mr Cappelle and Mr Mather

Proposed Crimewatch programme 14 October 2013 - Madeleine McCann

I have a number of concerns about the above proposed programme.

I understand that there is to be a ‘live’ interview with the McCanns and that a reconstruction of events will be shown, presumably of part of Thursday evening 3 May 2007, the day Madeleine was reported missing.

The BBC has said that it will be showing a reconstruction of Madeleine’s ‘abduction’.

The alleged ‘reconstruction’ is reported in various media as taking place ‘abroad’ or in Spain but not in Portugal, and certainly not, therefore in Praia da Luz.

The duties of the BBC and Crimewatch

I understand that the BBC Charter requires that it be truthful and accurate and, where appropriate, must provide 'balanced' coverage of any issue, and that OFCOM has the power to investigate complaints.

‘Crimewatch’ has a formidable reputation, based on setting before the public accurate information about a crime, and asking for the public’s help in identifying the perpetrators. These principles must apply just as rigourously to the case of the reported disappearance of Madeleine.

Given the controversial, sensitive and high profile nature of this case, I must assume that the research done by Crimewatch into the background for any reconstruction and interview of the McCanns has been exceptionally thorough and meticulous. You will be aware that there are thousands of pages of witness statements, experts’ reports, forensic reports, photographs, videos and other material, which was made public on DVDs by the Portuguese Police as long ago as August 2008, and all of which has been translated into English, read and analysed in great detail on numerous internet websites, blogs and fora. You will no doubt for example have read all the relevant information on the McCannfiles blog (www.mccannfiles.com), a library of factual material about the case.

Was Madeleine McCann abducted?

Given the claim by the BBC in its advance publicity for your proposed programme that Madeleine McCann was ‘abducted’, the first question that the producers and editors of any Crimewatch programme have to answer is whether or not this is established as a fact

I hope, therefore, that you have considered the following:

• The detailed investigation Interim report by Inspector Tavares de Almeida dated 10 September, and publicly available on the internet, giving numerous clear reasons for concluding that Madeleine died in the McCanns’ holiday apartment and that they and/or others hid her body

• The contents of the book ‘The Truth Of The Lie’, written by Dr Gonçalo Amaral, which as you will be well aware is currently the subject of the final trial in the-long running libel action the McCanns brought against him

• The fact that the content of Dr Amaral’s book has been repeatedly shown to be entirely consistent with the contents of the police files released to the general public in 2008 (indeed this fact has been repeatedly emphasised during the first six days of this trial)

• The fact that the concluding report signed off by the regional Attorney-General in July 2008, whilst archiving the investigation and deciding there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone, made it plain that the Portuguese judicial authorities by no means established as a fact the McCanns’ claim that Madeleine had been abducted

• Indeed the probability that Madeleine had died in her parents’ apartment and her body hidden was explicitly acknowledged in the very same report.

If you have considered the above facts, I am not sure how the BBC can proceed with this programme at all, or to continue to refer to ‘the abduction’ of Madeleine. The alerts of two sniffer dogs belonging to top police dog handler Martin Grime cannot be ignored in considering whether or not Madeleine was abducted. The McCanns for example have never been able to explain the dogs’ alerts to the past presence of a human corpse in four locations in the McCanns’ flat, on three items of their clothing, in the hired car and other locations associated with them, and in no other places. Dr Gerald McCann has claimed that sniffer dogs are ‘incredibly unreliable’ despite the fact that their reliability is well established and their use in ever more fields of detection, drugs, explosives, medicine and other disciplines is growing rapidly. There are excellent BBC programmes on this very subject, the most recent showing a dog detecting early cancer of the kidney from urine.

To reinforce this point, let it be stated clearly - the only ‘evidence’ of abduction is the say-so of the McCanns themselves.

I believe that a complaint may be made to the disciplinary body of the National Union of Journalists if any member of the NUJ had contributed to a dishonest programme which ignored or set aside relevant facts.

The history of reconstructions or attempted reconstructions

In the Portuguese criminal justice system, reconstructions of events surrounding a murder or disappearance or other crime are used to test the validity of the witnesses’ statements. The actual persons involved in such events are the witnesses themselves. They will be invited to the scene of the crime. Such reconstructions are commonly video-recorded for the benefit of the criminal investigation. This is especially true where there are obvious contradictions between the witnesses’ statement, as is manifestly the case regarding Madeleine’s disappearance. Your researchers must be fully aware of these. They have been extensively catalogued and analysed (a) in the interim report of Tavares de Almeida (b) in the Attorney-General’s final report (c) in Dr Gonçalo Amaral’s book and (d) on numerous Madeleine McCann information and discussion sites on the internet.

This type of ‘reconstruction’ is very different from a ‘Crimewatch’-style televised reconstruction.

Dr Amaral wanted to do such a reconstruction as it was clear in the first days of the investigation that there were significant inconsistencies in the witnesses’ statements, even between various statements made by the same witness. As he explains in his book, he decided not to do one because of the intense media spotlight he and his team were under.

A reconstruction of some of the events of 3 May 2007 was shown on the BBC’s Panorama programme on 19 November 2007.

A second attempt by the Portuguese police to hold a reconstruction occurred in the spring of 2008. The McCanns and their friends all declined to take part, after taking legal advice, giving a variety of reasons for not doing so. Dr Gerald McCann specifically said at the time that he saw no purpose in such a reconstruction as the police would not be showing the reconstruction on TV. He said he wanted a ‘Crimewatch-style’ reconstruction. Therefore the proposed Portuguese police reconstruction could not proceed.

The Channel 4 reconstruction, 2009

In May 2009, Channel 4 screened a reconstruction made by Mentorn Media. This was heavily criticised by many on a number of grounds, including these:

• It featured the description of a possible abductor by Jane Tanner, despite numerous indications that her alleged ‘sighting’ was fabricated (see below)

• It attempted to link an alleged sighting of a man carrying a child by Martin Smith, at around 10.00pm in a different part of Praia da Luz, with Jane Tanner’s claimed ‘sighting’ at 9.15pm. The improbability of any abductor walking around the village for 45 minutes or more carrying a child is so obvious as to hardly require mention

• It attempted to suggest that the man allegedly seen by Jane Tanner and the man allegedly seen by Martin Smith were one and the same, despite Jane Tanner describing the man as having ‘long, black hair’ whilst the man described by Martin Smith had ‘short, brown hair’

• Three witnesses, namely Jane Tanner, Jeremy Wilkins and Dr Gerald McCann gave significantly contradictory statements about the very moment when Jane Tanner claimed to have seen the abductor at 9.15pm. These were contemptuously dismissed on the TV reconstruction by the McCanns’ then chief private investigator, ex-Detective Inspector Dave Edgar, as ‘inevitable inconsistencies’. Any serious detective would have probed the contradictions, which should have been fully aired on the programme

• The man shown in the documentary as carrying a child away from near the McCanns’ apartment did not look the same as Jane Tanner’s description. In any case, of course, Jane Tanner admitted to not seeing his face.

Severe doubts about the credibility of Jane Tanner

The reasons for doubting the evidence of Jane Tanner are many but include:

• changes in her accounts, such as changing the direction in which the person she claimed to have seen was walking

• her recollection of details about the abductor and the child improving with time, such as ‘recollecting’ on a second interview precise details of the pattern of the pyjamas of the girl being carried (in line with what she then knew about Madeleine’s pyjamas, but crucially miscalculating the length of the pyjama bottoms )

• rambling and over-elaborate descriptions of the abductor and what he was wearing, both when interviewed by the Portuguese police and later when re-interviewed by Leicestershire Police

• her positive identification on 13 May 2007 of Robert Murat as the person she’d seen carrying a child away from near the McCanns’ apartment - only for her to change her mind about this months later

• her willingness to claim that the person she claimed to have seen looked like a moustachioed man seen in a sketch by a Mrs Gail Cooper, despite the fact that Jane Tanner admitted on 3 May never having seen the man’s face

• the fact that at a press conference in August 2009, the McCanns’ chief investigator, Dave Edgar, said that Jane Tanner might have been mistaken and seen a woman carrying a child, not a man

• the fact that her story was so vague and inconsistent that the Portuguese police dismissed it as a fabrication from very early on in their investigation.

Other facts that the BBC should perhaps take into account if they are to proceed with this broadcast

I invite you to consider the following additional points:

• The thread of criminality running through the McCann Team’s investigators. If the BBC has researched the background material to this case then you will be aware that the McCanns’ first preferred detectives, the Spanish firm Metodo3, has a long record of criminal conduct. Two of Metodo3’s investigators who worked very closely with the head of the McCann Team’s private investigators, Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy, have served time in prison.

• Antonio Giminez Raso spent four years in prison on remand due to his association with a 27 strong gang of drug-dealers who were convicted of serious criminal charges in a Barcelona court last year.

• Julian Peribañez who also worked very closely with Brian Kennedy has spent much of this year after his arrest for illegally taping the conversations of Spanish politicians, an offence he has now admitted and for which he is awaiting sentence.

• The McCanns also employed Kevin Halligen, who charged the McCann Team £500,000 plus expenses yet, as exposed in a 2009 article in the Evening Standard and elsewhere, spent most of the time he was employed by them on high living in London, Oxfordshire and the U.S. with his girlfriend Shirin Trachiotis, and was arrested in 2009 on serious fraud charges in the U.S. which he eventually admitted. He spent a total of four years in Belmarsh and another top security prison in the U.S. None of these investigators had any experience in locating missing children but most had expertise in such areas as money laundering and fraud.

These private detectives have together with the McCann Team produced a bewildering variety of so-called ‘suspects’ and ‘persons tightly of interest’, 21 in total so far, two of them women, a fact which also undermines the credibility of the McCann Team’s private investigators, not to mention Tanner’s statements.

Should the BBC continue to promote the claim that Madeleine McCann was abducted, you must take full account of these and indeed many other matters of real concern about the McCanns’ private investigations, which again your researchers must know.

• Dr Kate McCann’s refusal to answer any one of 48 questions put to her on interview by the Portuguese police on 7 September 2007.

• The numerous contradictions in the witnesses’ evidence about the events of 3 May 2007.

This is a vast subject. Again, no doubt your researchers, together with D.C.I. Andy Redwood and his team, are aware of the following contradictions and changes of story etc. These contradictions would need to be resolved if possible before any realistic reconstruction could possibly take place. If you proceed with a reconstruction, you will be faced with the problem of which version of events you will be presenting to viewers. I believe the only honest way for the BBC to proceed would be to present the viewer with all the contradictions, letting the viewer see what they are, and allowing us to draw our own conclusions. Among the main contradictions are the following:

• Three different versions about a claimed ‘high tea’ that Madeleine is said to have had with her parents and crèche staff at about 5.30pm

• Two entirely different versions (Dr Kate McCann and Dr David Payne) of an alleged visit by Dr Payne to the McCanns’ apartment, when he claims to have seen all three children alive

• Three different accounts (Dr Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins (whom we understand may have worked for Crimewatch before)) about events at around 9.15pm on 3 May, the time when Jane Tanner claims she saw a man carrying a child

• Whether or not the curtains of the children’s room in the apartment were wide open (Dr Kate McCann’s first version) or closed (Dr Kate McCann’s later version)

• Whether you will be showing the shutters smashed, broken, and jemmied open (the McCanns’ first versions) or completely undamaged (reality - and subsequently admitted as such by the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell)

• Whether you will be showing Dr Gerald McCann entering through the ‘front door using his key’ (Dr McCann’s first police statement), or ‘going in through the unlocked patio door’ (Dr Gerald McCann’s second police statement)

• Whether you will be showing Madeleine tucked up in bed because it was a cold night (Dr Kate McCann’s version - the cold also being testified to by the rest of the McCanns’ friends and indeed by weather records ) - or lying on top of the covers because it was so hot (Dr Gerald McCann’s version).

• The extremely limited ‘window of opportunity’ for any claimed abductor to have removed Madeleine from the apartment.

On the basis of statements made by Dr Gerald McCann, Jane Tanner and Jeremy Wilkins, with very precise timing included within them ( Dr McCann for example says he left the table at 9:04 by his watch, and the apartment at 9.10pm, and Jane Tanner says she saw a man carrying a child in the area at 9.15pm ) the time available for the abductor to remove Madeleine is somewhere between 1 minute 20 seconds, and three minutes. During this time, the McCann Team suggest that an intruder could have entered the apartment (either via the open patio door with the father directly outside, or by having a key to the front door), sedated three children, selected one of them, picked her up, turned her round so that her feet are now to the right, opened the curtains, window and shutters as some kind of ‘red herring’ (see ‘red herring’ statement made by Dr Kate McCann) and then exit, all of this being accomplished without being seen or heard by anyone except Jane Tanner and without leaving any forensic trace. (The suggestion that Madeleine and the twins were sedated is a repeated theme of the McCanns and their team over the past six years. They moved from strong denials and threats to sue, to an acceptance that it must have happened, even though there is no known substance which could have been used within that time frame. Dr Kate McCann is a qualified anaesthetist and must be aware of this ).

• The only fingerprints on the window found by police being those of Dr Kate McCann, strongly suggesting that she opened the window in order to promote the abduction scenario.

• In the very unlikely event that Madeleine is still alive and is being held by the abductor or others, has BBC Crimewatch assessed the risk that its programme could lead to Madeleine being harmed by the person who now has her ?

A useful summary of the many contradictions, changes of story and other inconsistencies amongst the witness statements in this case can be read in an e-book by Michael McLean at:

http://freepdfhosting.com/9099bef539.pdf
or
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Peter MacLeod
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Retired Police Superintendent
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Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:54 am

Just to put my 2 pence worth in. If these were 2 council estate/ working class people they would have thrown the book at them for child neglect, the Macans were Doctors and straight away the middle class spin was set into motion and Richard Branson donates a million to help with the search and countless other monies were donated, the press (mostly) liked the look of the Macans in general and straight away cast them as the victims!!! I have 2 kids and believe me this is aweful all around who ever done this, but I firmly believe the wool has been pulled over the publics eyes.

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:56 am

danishblues wrote:Just to put my 2 pence worth in. If these were 2 council estate/ working class people they would have thrown the book at them for child neglect, the Macans were Doctors and straight away the middle class spin was set into motion and Richard Branson donates a million to help with the search and countless other monies were donated, the press (mostly) liked the look of the Macans in general and straight away cast them as the victims!!! I have 2 kids and believe me this is aweful all around who ever done this, but I firmly believe the wool has been pulled over the publics eyes.


Ben needam went missing in 1991 in Koz Working class single mum. Where is their appeal money etc

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/

Re: missing maddy - your opinion ? - the mccans ?

Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:05 am

DannyboyBluebirds wrote:
danishblues wrote:Just to put my 2 pence worth in. If these were 2 council estate/ working class people they would have thrown the book at them for child neglect, the Macans were Doctors and straight away the middle class spin was set into motion and Richard Branson donates a million to help with the search and countless other monies were donated, the press (mostly) liked the look of the Macans in general and straight away cast them as the victims!!! I have 2 kids and believe me this is aweful all around who ever done this, but I firmly believe the wool has been pulled over the publics eyes.


Ben needam went missing in 1991 in Koz Working class single mum. Where is their appeal money etc

http://www.helpfindben.co.uk/


My thought exactly. The whole situations has been sanitized & almost stage managed by professionals.

Personally, i don't think one has to look further the the McCann's, & their group of friends or associates who were with them that night. Just my own personal thoughts!