The rebrand. An alternative viewpoint.

As much as red is alien to me and i dont think I will ever be able to embrace it because in my 22 years following City, 21 of them have been in blue, I got talking to a new fan last night, a husband of one of my wifes mates, and it helped me see things from a different perspective. The next generations perspective.

Up until recently this guy never realy followed anyone in particular but hes got plenty of money so used to hire a corporate day a few times a season to watch Man u aty Old Trafford. His son, now 11, wanted to start watching football a few years ago so he started bringing him down the City.

His son got the bug, and they have been season ticket holders for the last 3 years. They went to their first away game Saturday, at Fulham, and his son is buzzing and the guy couldnt believe what an experience it was.

Now I remember this experience, it is what I had when i was 15 and went to my first City game, which happened to be an away game, and Im sure everyone has their own story, and own point when they got that buzz for their football team.

To this guy, and especially his son, the colour blue doesnt mean an awful lot, and why should it? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and whilst some may call this guy and his son a plastic I would say they, well his son certainly, are the next generation.

10 years ago I have no doubt this kid would have been a Liverpool or Man supporter so do we look upon this 11 year old kid, in his red Cardiff top as a sell out, plastic, whatever you want to call anyone who doesnt want the fight for blue or do we look on it as Cardiff evolving and weve gained new fans, and more importantly the next generation of fans?

Excellent post fella.

I have a 5 year old who I consider will be a next generation supporter of CCFC, having been to several games, he does ask now why they are playing in red. However, the blue strip will be a distant/forgotten memory to him soon enough if things continue as they are.

Sad fact but true.

thing is, as you have mentioned. These and other new fans arent supporting cardiff because they are wearing red. They just dont really know or understand any different.

The club is constantly evolving, and its happening quite quickly really, but a new generation of fans and an ever increasing number has nothing to do with us wearing red shirts.

My question to myself has always been, would I rather see the kids in the Rhondda decked out in the red of Cardiff or the white of swansea?!

We would all like to see City return to blue but I am also aware that the City and indeed football in general is unrecognisable to the football I started watching down Cardiff in 1989

Now City are in the premier the fan base is going to change dramatically,if we stay in the premier we'll attract thousands of youngsters and their parents with no affinity to blue,all they'll know is red and by the looks of it game by game more fans are wearing red.

Maybe this is a new chapter in our history and there's no going back especially once the rebrand has taken hold,if anyone is hoping for a return to blue anytime soon don't hold your breath because there's a new fan in town and there embracing the red.

As much as red is alien to me and i dont think I will ever be able to embrace it because in my 22 years following City, 21 of them have been in blue, I got talking to a new fan last night, a husband of one of my wifes mates, and it helped me see things from a different perspective. The next generations perspective.

Up until recently this guy never realy followed anyone in particular but hes got plenty of money so used to hire a corporate day a few times a season to watch Man u aty Old Trafford. His son, now 11, wanted to start watching football a few years ago so he started bringing him down the City.

His son got the bug, and they have been season ticket holders for the last 3 years. They went to their first away game Saturday, at Fulham, and his son is buzzing and the guy couldnt believe what an experience it was.

Now I remember this experience, it is what I had when i was 15 and went to my first City game, which happened to be an away game, and Im sure everyone has their own story, and own point when they got that buzz for their football team.

To this guy, and especially his son, the colour blue doesnt mean an awful lot, and why should it? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and whilst some may call this guy and his son a plastic I would say they, well his son certainly, are the next generation.

10 years ago I have no doubt this kid would have been a Liverpool or Man supporter so do we look upon this 11 year old kid, in his red Cardiff top as a sell out, plastic, whatever you want to call anyone who doesnt want the fight for blue or do we look on it as Cardiff evolving and weve gained new fans, and more importantly the next generation of fans?

I've been supporting city since 1973 and I would just call them fans like me,no worse,no better.

none of my business I know, but what has that got to do with a rebrand. All you talk about happens at every club that gets success.

As much as red is alien to me and i dont think I will ever be able to embrace it because in my 22 years following City, 21 of them have been in blue, I got talking to a new fan last night, a husband of one of my wifes mates, and it helped me see things from a different perspective. The next generations perspective.

Up until recently this guy never realy followed anyone in particular but hes got plenty of money so used to hire a corporate day a few times a season to watch Man u aty Old Trafford. His son, now 11, wanted to start watching football a few years ago so he started bringing him down the City.

His son got the bug, and they have been season ticket holders for the last 3 years. They went to their first away game Saturday, at Fulham, and his son is buzzing and the guy couldnt believe what an experience it was.

Now I remember this experience, it is what I had when i was 15 and went to my first City game, which happened to be an away game, and Im sure everyone has their own story, and own point when they got that buzz for their football team.

To this guy, and especially his son, the colour blue doesnt mean an awful lot, and why should it? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and whilst some may call this guy and his son a plastic I would say they, well his son certainly, are the next generation.

10 years ago I have no doubt this kid would have been a Liverpool or Man supporter so do we look upon this 11 year old kid, in his red Cardiff top as a sell out, plastic, whatever you want to call anyone who doesnt want the fight for blue or do we look on it as Cardiff evolving and weve gained new fans, and more importantly the next generation of fans?

I've been supporting city since 1973 and I would just call them fans like me,no worse,no better.

I agree, people can do what they want when they want. If they want to wear red then they should. For me personally its blue all the way but thats my choice.

The way some people talk about other fans comes across as having way to much self importance. BU are excellent at it.
If they support the club then they are supporters and no better or worse than anyone else.

As much as red is alien to me and i dont think I will ever be able to embrace it because in my 22 years following City, 21 of them have been in blue, I got talking to a new fan last night, a husband of one of my wifes mates, and it helped me see things from a different perspective. The next generations perspective.

Up until recently this guy never realy followed anyone in particular but hes got plenty of money so used to hire a corporate day a few times a season to watch Man u aty Old Trafford. His son, now 11, wanted to start watching football a few years ago so he started bringing him down the City.

His son got the bug, and they have been season ticket holders for the last 3 years. They went to their first away game Saturday, at Fulham, and his son is buzzing and the guy couldnt believe what an experience it was.

Now I remember this experience, it is what I had when i was 15 and went to my first City game, which happened to be an away game, and Im sure everyone has their own story, and own point when they got that buzz for their football team.

To this guy, and especially his son, the colour blue doesnt mean an awful lot, and why should it? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and whilst some may call this guy and his son a plastic I would say they, well his son certainly, are the next generation.

10 years ago I have no doubt this kid would have been a Liverpool or Man supporter so do we look upon this 11 year old kid, in his red Cardiff top as a sell out, plastic, whatever you want to call anyone who doesnt want the fight for blue or do we look on it as Cardiff evolving and weve gained new fans, and more importantly the next generation of fans?

I've been supporting city since 1973 and I would just call them fans like me,no worse,no better.

I agree, people can do what they want when they want. If they want to wear red then they should. For me personally its blue all the way but thats my choice.

The way some people talk about other fans comes across as having way to much self importance. BU are excellent at it.
If they support the club then they are supporters and no better or worse than anyone else.

Agreed, same with me. However if in the future my son asks me to buy him a red shirt because that is his preferance. I would find it difficult to say no.

none of my business I know, but what has that got to do with a rebrand. All you talk about happens at every club that gets success.

You are right it is none of your business. You are one of the biggest Jack trolls on here and I do not wish to give you an explanation. Go find your kicks elswhere.

My question to myself has always been, would I rather see the kids in the Rhondda decked out in the red of Cardiff or the white of swansea?!

We would all like to see City return to blue but I am also aware that the City and indeed football in general is unrecognisable to the football I started watching down Cardiff in 1989

Whilst the number of City and Swansea shirts has increased there are still plenty of full kit Liverpool wankers in Merthyr

none of my business I know, but what has that got to do with a rebrand. All you talk about happens at every club that gets success.

thats a good point this has nothing to d with rebrand just some new fans now enjoying watching Cardiff .

The problem is about old and new/traditional or modern, none of whom are plastic, just new but it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason. What will the new lads think in 10 years time if we change to Green to engage the Irish market or Black because it turns out to be luckier than red. or change the name to Real Cardiff to associate with success. I just think it's a soul thing and I have a blue soul some are happy to sell their soul and some don't have one, that's life.

My question to myself has always been, would I rather see the kids in the Rhondda decked out in the red of Cardiff or the white of swansea?!

We would all like to see City return to blue but I am also aware that the City and indeed football in general is unrecognisable to the football I started watching down Cardiff in 1989

Whilst the number of City and Swansea shirts has increased there are still plenty of full kit Liverpool wankers in Merthyr

When I started comp, I can only remember one kid who had a city shirt with 'havelet' on the front.

I was going up to liverpool myself at the time! Then a few of us started going down on the train that year, a few clemo out's and sack the board protests and we were hooked haha!

TBH it had nothing to with tge quality of football on offer but I think we all loved the anarchy.

I always dreamed of walking up a packed sloper road though in truth I never in my wildest dreams saw the day coming where we would be in the top flight.

Kid's today dont know how lucky they are that they don't have to do the dreaded walk on a tuesday night from ninian park to central station through a deserted riverside, shitting your pants in case you got mugged! Haha

The problem is about old and new/traditional or modern, none of whom are plastic, just new but it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason. What will the new lads think in 10 years time if we change to Green to engage the Irish market or Black because it turns out to be luckier than red. or change the name to Real Cardiff to associate with success. I just think it's a soul thing and I have a blue soul some are happy to sell their soul and some don't have one, that's life.

What do you mean they dont have the right to back the club?

This kid doesnt have the right to buy a red shirt? Of course he does.

none of my business I know, but what has that got to do with a rebrand. All you talk about happens at every club that gets success.

thats a good point this has nothing to d with rebrand just some new fans now enjoying watching Cardiff .

Earth to Darran. Earth to Darran.

none of my business I know, but what has that got to do with a rebrand. All you talk about happens at every club that gets success.

Spot on. This is more due to our rising in the ranks rather than us turning red.

My question to myself has always been, would I rather see the kids in the Rhondda decked out in the red of Cardiff or the white of swansea?!

We would all like to see City return to blue but I am also aware that the City and indeed football in general is unrecognisable to the football I started watching down Cardiff in 1989

Whilst the number of City and Swansea shirts has increased there are still plenty of full kit Liverpool wankers in Merthyr

When I started comp, I can only remember one kid who had a city shirt with 'havelet' on the front.

I was going up to liverpool myself at the time! Then a few of us started going down on the train that year, a few clemo out's and sack the board protests and we were hooked haha!

TBH it had nothing to with tge quality of football on offer but I think we all loved the anarchy.

I always dreamed of walking up a packed sloper road though in truth I never in my wildest dreams saw the day coming where we would be in the top flight.

Kid's today dont know how lucky they are that they don't have to do the dreaded walk on a tuesday night from ninian park to central station through a deserted riverside, shitting your pants in case you got mugged! Haha

Ooof I dont miss that walk. I got chased by about 20 Somalis through Riverside boxing day 93 when we drew 3-3 with York.

i dont have the official stats but I would have given Ben Johnson a run for his money!!!

As much as red is alien to me and i dont think I will ever be able to embrace it because in my 22 years following City, 21 of them have been in blue, I got talking to a new fan last night, a husband of one of my wifes mates, and it helped me see things from a different perspective. The next generations perspective.

Up until recently this guy never realy followed anyone in particular but hes got plenty of money so used to hire a corporate day a few times a season to watch Man u aty Old Trafford. His son, now 11, wanted to start watching football a few years ago so he started bringing him down the City.

His son got the bug, and they have been season ticket holders for the last 3 years. They went to their first away game Saturday, at Fulham, and his son is buzzing and the guy couldnt believe what an experience it was.

Now I remember this experience, it is what I had when i was 15 and went to my first City game, which happened to be an away game, and Im sure everyone has their own story, and own point when they got that buzz for their football team.

To this guy, and especially his son, the colour blue doesnt mean an awful lot, and why should it? Everyone has got to start somewhere, and whilst some may call this guy and his son a plastic I would say they, well his son certainly, are the next generation.

10 years ago I have no doubt this kid would have been a Liverpool or Man supporter so do we look upon this 11 year old kid, in his red Cardiff top as a sell out, plastic, whatever you want to call anyone who doesnt want the fight for blue or do we look on it as Cardiff evolving and weve gained new fans, and more importantly the next generation of fans?

I've been supporting city since 1973 and I would just call them fans like me,no worse,no better.

I agree, people can do what they want when they want. If they want to wear red then they should. For me personally its blue all the way but thats my choice.

The way some people talk about other fans comes across as having way to much self importance. BU are excellent at it.
If they support the club then they are supporters and no better or worse than anyone else.

Agreed, same with me. However if in the future my son asks me to buy him a red shirt because that is his preferance. I would find it difficult to say no.

I bought my nephew the red top, he needed a red top for St Davids day so it was that or a red rugby top, wasnt a hard decision

none of my business I know, but what has that got to do with a rebrand. All you talk about happens at every club that gets success.

Spot on. This is more due to our rising in the ranks rather than us turning red.

And where did I say it was due to us turning red?

I said it is an alternative viewpoint to the rebrand. One I had looked through one eye previously, just from my own point of view, but looking at from a new fans point of view then the rebrand is insignificant really.

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When it's actually nothing to do with the rebrand, just the story of a family of new supporters.

Mind you, at least it's better than the Malky out nonsense you were spouting last week.

When it's actually nothing to do with the rebrand, just the story of a family of new supporters.

Mind you, at least it's better than the Malky out nonsense you were spouting last week.

Face it Chuckles there are far more supporters like the ones ive talked about than the likes of you who want Tan out.

95% of Cardiff fans want blue bacdk so say BU and Barry Chuckles.

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Credit where it's due; an excellent and well considered post, fella

Face it Chuckles there are far more supporters like the ones ive talked about than the likes of you who want Tan out.

95% of Cardiff fans want blue bacdk so say BU and Barry Chuckles.

What's that got to do with anything? Where have I tried to claim otherwise?

I'm pretty sure EVERY Cardiff fan would prefer to see us back in blue... It's just some disagree on the lengths they would go to, to get it.

The problem is about old and new/traditional or modern, none of whom are plastic, just new but it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason. What will the new lads think in 10 years time if we change to Green to engage the Irish market or Black because it turns out to be luckier than red. or change the name to Real Cardiff to associate with success. I just think it's a soul thing and I have a blue soul some are happy to sell their soul and some don't have one, that's life.

What do you mean they dont have the right to back the club?

This kid doesnt have the right to buy a red shirt? Of course he does.

Read it properly this time

Face it Chuckles there are far more supporters like the ones ive talked about than the likes of you who want Tan out.

95% of Cardiff fans want blue bacdk so say BU and Barry Chuckles.

What's that got to do with anything? Where have I tried to claim otherwise?

I'm pretty sure EVERY Cardiff fan would prefer to see us back in blue... It's just some disagree on the lengths they would go to, to get it.

Well thats just the point of the thread whilst those of us who would prefer to see us back in blue would like to think that the stark reality is its clearly not the case.

The family ive talked about, dont care for the blue, they are not attatched to it. They have however become attatched to Cardiff City. Our fan base is now made up of more of these kinds of supporters than those who the blue means something.

The crowd has more red every game and the nonsense "red stands out more" is just a burying the head in the sand comment.

If BU and Barry Chuckles wants to live in their own bubble and not recognise this thats up to them but anyone with a pair of eyes can see that this notion that "EVERY Cardiff fan would prefer blue" is clearly not the case.

Its significant in different measures to probably 5000 of the regular attendees and 200 max are actively trying to do something about it.

The problem is about old and new/traditional or modern, none of whom are plastic, just new but it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason. What will the new lads think in 10 years time if we change to Green to engage the Irish market or Black because it turns out to be luckier than red. or change the name to Real Cardiff to associate with success. I just think it's a soul thing and I have a blue soul some are happy to sell their soul and some don't have one, that's life.

What do you mean they dont have the right to back the club?

This kid doesnt have the right to buy a red shirt? Of course he does.

Read it properly this time

I have. So what do you mean by this?

it doesn't give the new lads, of which there are many, the right to back the change of the clubs tradition for no good reason

Fair play Polo, very good post. I personally have not thought about the rebrand from that perspective, always be Blue, but times are a changing with the next generation coming through. And really who are we to look down on someone as a "plastic", as you correctly put it they are just as good as you or I. my vote for post of the month.

Fair play Polo, very good post. I personally have not thought about the rebrand from that perspective, always be Blue, but times are a changing with the next generation coming through. And really who are we to look down on someone as a "plastic", as you correctly put it they are just as good as you or I. my vote for post of the month.

Yes, thanks, thats the point I was trying to make before big nose stuck his beak in.

Personally, I don't really care if other, newer fans have no attachment to blue.

That is for them to make their case.

Blue and the bluebird means a lot to me and I DESPISE the changes that Tan has done..I totally hate it.

Even if 50% of the fans are happy with it, Tan has still divided us and confused our identity for no reason whatsoever.