FAO Bluebirds Unite

Seeing as you are losing a lot of support, mostly from what looks like the fans on the fence, I would just like to ask why you haven't taken a more extreme view to support your cause and aims?

Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance and these I can only assume are those who REALLY want blue back at whatever cost because thats what means most to them.

Surely these fans would support a more extreme stance which would most likely get your more recognition and make you look more credible as an organisation. The current collection of fans is confusing as you have members who want blue back but want Tan to stay which is a conflict in its own right as for blue to come back, Tan needs to go.

I therefore have a few questions for you (would prefer Jon Candy or Sian to answer so to not derail the thread with members of BU who do more harm than good)

1. Why are you as an organisation not taking the approach needed to achieve your true aims?

2. Do you want Tan to stay or do you want him out?

3. After what Tan has said about red/blue, why do you still believe you can educate him on the issue?

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

Some would love that, you know keeping the blue away but I say bollocks to them.

Keep the blue where it matters and that's in the stadium. Yes the red brigade will say you are putting into Tans pocket but what is that to him when he tends to gain more through sponsorship deals such as Sky and from his homeland politicians.

I recall someone trying to be smart with me when I said I refuse to buy red. What was the reply "oh Tan won't miss your £200 a season merchandise you use to buy". Fair enough then he won't notice my gate money then will he. One thing he will notice is the blue I'm wearing and that is worth throwing my money at the gate.

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

Some would love that, you know keeping the blue away but I say bollocks to them.

Keep the blue where it matters and that's in the stadium. Yes the red brigade will say you are putting into Tans pocket but what is that to him when he tends to gain more through sponsorship deals such as Sky and from his homeland politicians.

I recall someone trying to be smart with me when I said I refuse to buy red. What was the reply "oh Tan won't miss your £200 a season merchandise you use to buy". Fair enough then he won't notice my gate money then will he. One thing he will notice is the blue I'm wearing and that is worth throwing my money at the gate.

Fair enough on that point Ian. I suppose it does weigh up whether you believe the blue or the money sends the biggest message to Tan. I can totally see where you are coming from on that one to be honest. When you think about it, Tan has the money coming in anyway so whether that is red or blue is the question at hand I suppose and as you've said, you'd rather it be blue.

Also thanks for responding in a mature way and not just attacking the poster but actually answering one of the points made. The forum would be an overall better place if more did that. Good for debate.

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

Seeing as you are losing a lot of support, mostly from what looks like the fans on the fence, I would just like to ask why you haven't taken a more extreme view to support your cause and aims?

Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance and these I can only assume are those who REALLY want blue back at whatever cost because thats what means most to them.

Surely these fans would support a more extreme stance which would most likely get your more recognition and make you look more credible as an organisation. The current collection of fans is confusing as you have members who want blue back but want Tan to stay which is a conflict in its own right as for blue to come back, Tan needs to go.

I therefore have a few questions for you (would prefer Jon Candy or Sian to answer so to not derail the thread with members of BU who do more harm than good)

1. Why are you as an organisation not taking the approach needed to achieve your true aims?

2. Do you want Tan to stay or do you want him out?

3. After what Tan has said about red/blue, why do you still believe you can educate him on the issue?

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

"Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance"....

Judging by what you have said you clearly have access to Facebook so why don't you just contact Sian or John on there instead of making a big scene of it on here, JB?

"FAO Bluebirds Unite" - Clearly wanting to but a downer on what their main objective is.

Obviously you are aware that Sian Branson & John Candy have Facebook so crack on with your jabba there.


I was sure that you were pro blue though? I have always appreciated and respect all of your posts on here...

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

"Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance"....

Judging by what you have said you clearly have access to Facebook so why don't you just contact Sian or John on there instead of making a big scene of it on here, JB?

I am not in the group. The photos were posted on here so thats where I saw them.

"FAO Bluebirds Unite" - Clearly wanting to but a downer on what their main objective is.

No attempt to put a downer on their true stance or aims as I don't know them hence the questions to give clarity to I and others who want to understand some of their decisions.

Obviously you are aware that Sian Branson & John Candy have Facebook so crack on with your jabba there.

Addressed above. I refuse to get dragged into a juvenile argument when I want this thread to stay serious for the points to be addressed by those who know best or are willing to at least try and answer them on a mature level.

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

Jeff, I have not seen their Facebook but only the photos posted in the thread on here. I am only asking. I would be far more likely to support them in an extremist form standing up for what they truly believe than waste my time supporting them for a cause such as 'trying to educate Tan'. That to me is something I do not get as its not an obtainable goal based on what Tan has said.

Im currently working on a website front page for them if they want it that gives a more respectable brand image than the blog they currently have. I have no issues helping out as I see the name change as a serious threat to the club we all know and love and I do believe it is coming.

Last edited by JBCCFC1927 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

He is just basing it purely on the fact that there wasn't much members at the last meeting...

Obviously he didn't take into account that:

1) The meeting wasn't in Cardiff this time so wasn't easy access for everyone to get to
2) The meeting was mid week so a lot of people would of been working
3) This meeting wasn't advertised as much as previous ones were.

Personally, I find it pathetic that someone is aiming to publicly humiliate Sian and everything that BU are attempting.

I am a HUGE fan of Sian. We actually need more people like her - Someone who is actually dedicating the majority of her spare time to the Bluebirds Unite cause. How can somebody put negative on that...

Got to admit it feels a fine line which one is winning.

Reds best weapon is the apathy of the Cardiff fan. If this continues then the situation will quickly become accepted. Very worrying for the blue that is.

So how do you counteract that. Extremism as James mentions? Could work but comes with a high risk and that is a total rejection from those on the fence. A more moderate approach that BU are trying to seek? Good chance that will work but time is of the essence. If they don't find it soon then the chance will be gone.

Will Cardiff ever return to blue? Carry on the way we are going and my opinion is no.

Seeing as you are losing a lot of support, mostly from what looks like the fans on the fence, I would just like to ask why you haven't taken a more extreme view to support your cause and aims?

Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance and these I can only assume are those who REALLY want blue back at whatever cost because thats what means most to them.

Surely these fans would support a more extreme stance which would most likely get your more recognition and make you look more credible as an organisation. The current collection of fans is confusing as you have members who want blue back but want Tan to stay which is a conflict in its own right as for blue to come back, Tan needs to go.

I therefore have a few questions for you (would prefer Jon Candy or Sian to answer so to not derail the thread with members of BU who do more harm than good)

1. Why are you as an organisation not taking the approach needed to achieve your true aims?

2. Do you want Tan to stay or do you want him out?

3. After what Tan has said about red/blue, why do you still believe you can educate him on the issue?

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

wun-al inn gud tym/bee haystee at Yu peril
too-stai luv hiz clobr an styl an muny
tri-eny pursn iz Neva tew owld tew lern nuw tingz
for-gott tu hav peepl unda cuva spredin Thu were insyd Thu grownd
Yu stoopid orr wot jb

He is just basing it purely on the fact that there wasn't much members at the last meeting...

Stop with the snide comments and have a mature intellectual debate please.

1) The meeting wasn't in Cardiff this time so wasn't easy access for everyone to get to
2) The meeting was mid week so a lot of people would of been working
3) This meeting wasn't advertised as much as previous ones were.

1) Unaware of the fact it was outside Cardiff
2) Fair enough but still previous meetings have had a better turnout
3) There has been mixed reports on this hence the asking of questions and clarity

Personally, I find it pathetic that someone is aiming to publicly humiliate Sian and everything that BU are attempting.

I am only asking questions and not trying to berate or humiliate Sian in any way. I am asking fair questions and would like to know the answers to them in a mature way, straight from them, without the morons of Bluebirds Unite who cling on to the group, spouting nonsense and doing further damage to the group than what has already been done before.

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

Some would love that, you know keeping the blue away but I say bollocks to them.

Keep the blue where it matters and that's in the stadium. Yes the red brigade will say you are putting into Tans pocket but what is that to him when he tends to gain more through sponsorship deals such as Sky and from his homeland politicians.

I recall someone trying to be smart with me when I said I refuse to buy red. What was the reply "oh Tan won't miss your £200 a season merchandise you use to buy". Fair enough then he won't notice my gate money then will he. One thing he will notice is the blue I'm wearing and that is worth throwing my money at the gate.

Funnily enough someone said to me they heard VT say whilst pointing during the Spurs game "is that Ian there in the blue shirt, it really hurts but his £350 season ticket money will go some way to easing the pain"

So how do you counteract that. Extremism as James mentions? Could work but comes with a high risk and that is a total rejection from those on the fence. A more moderate approach that BU are trying to seek? Good chance that will work but time is of the essence. If they don't find it soon then the chance will be gone.

Will Cardiff ever return to blue? Carry on the way we are going and my opinion is no.

An extremist approach is the only one I could support Ian. It is to me the only method of a return to blue based on what Tan has said. For me, its either identity and history and taking the consequences of change or Tan, his investment and his rebranded image of us.

Whilst as you say an extremist view has a high risk factor its also to me the only thing that will work. The moderate approach is not a threat to Tan because its there and although it is a reminder to every one of our fans of our history in the meantime it is not doing a thing. The red fans seem more than happy for Bluebirds Unite to meet and do their thing whilst they act in a controlled way without stepping out of line.

An extremist view is the only way that those fans will realise this issue isn't going to go away and some fans truly will do anything to return to the clubs rightful colours. Only then when a serious rise up takes place will others jump on the bandwagon.

Seeing as you are losing a lot of support, mostly from what looks like the fans on the fence, I would just like to ask why you haven't taken a more extreme view to support your cause and aims?

Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance and these I can only assume are those who REALLY want blue back at whatever cost because thats what means most to them.

Surely these fans would support a more extreme stance which would most likely get your more recognition and make you look more credible as an organisation. The current collection of fans is confusing as you have members who want blue back but want Tan to stay which is a conflict in its own right as for blue to come back, Tan needs to go.

I therefore have a few questions for you (would prefer Jon Candy or Sian to answer so to not derail the thread with members of BU who do more harm than good)

1. Why are you as an organisation not taking the approach needed to achieve your true aims?

2. Do you want Tan to stay or do you want him out?

3. After what Tan has said about red/blue, why do you still believe you can educate him on the issue?

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

One raises the question, are you a f*cking idiot?

In the very early days of this site I theorised on what would happen once Sam sold the concept of the "sleeping giant". I got banned from yahoo groups as the "lefties" knew better, threw in a few homo, islam phobia shite and here we are.

If you don't like a successful football club, then go back to the books, study hard, then one day my left wing friend you may get a job in a coffee shop. CCMB for you me tinks.

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

Some would love that, you know keeping the blue away but I say bollocks to them.

Keep the blue where it matters and that's in the stadium. Yes the red brigade will say you are putting into Tans pocket but what is that to him when he tends to gain more through sponsorship deals such as Sky and from his homeland politicians.

I recall someone trying to be smart with me when I said I refuse to buy red. What was the reply "oh Tan won't miss your £200 a season merchandise you use to buy". Fair enough then he won't notice my gate money then will he. One thing he will notice is the blue I'm wearing and that is worth throwing my money at the gate.

Funnily enough someone said to me they heard VT say whilst pointing during the Spurs game "is that Ian there in the blue shirt, it really hurts but his £350 season ticket money will go some way to easing the pain"

What season ticket money Gwyn?

Seeing as you are losing a lot of support, mostly from what looks like the fans on the fence, I would just like to ask why you haven't taken a more extreme view to support your cause and aims?

Judging by the photos from the last meeting it seems there were less than 100 people in attendance and these I can only assume are those who REALLY want blue back at whatever cost because thats what means most to them.

Surely these fans would support a more extreme stance which would most likely get your more recognition and make you look more credible as an organisation. The current collection of fans is confusing as you have members who want blue back but want Tan to stay which is a conflict in its own right as for blue to come back, Tan needs to go.

I therefore have a few questions for you (would prefer Jon Candy or Sian to answer so to not derail the thread with members of BU who do more harm than good)

1. Why are you as an organisation not taking the approach needed to achieve your true aims?

wel sed dynamite u gott comin senss
2. Do you want Tan to stay or do you want him out?

3. After what Tan has said about red/blue, why do you still believe you can educate him on the issue?

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

wun-al inn gud tym/bee haystee at Yu peril
too-stai luv hiz clobr an styl an muny
tri-eny pursn iz Neva tew owld tew lern nuw tingz
for-gott tu hav peepl unda cuva spredin Thu were insyd Thu grownd
Yu stoopid orr wot jb

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

Jeff, I have not seen their Facebook but only the photos posted in the thread on here. I am only asking. I would be far more likely to support them in an extremist form standing up for what they truly believe than waste my time supporting them for a cause such as 'trying to educate Tan'. That to me is something I do not get as its not an obtainable goal based on what Tan has said.

Im currently working on a website front page for them if they want it that gives a more respectable brand image than the blog they currently have. I have no issues helping out as I see the name change as a serious threat to the club we all know and love and I do believe it is coming.

james they need to be about for this name change.it will happen.whether b.u can get tan to return to blue is debatable.what isn,t debatable is there will need to be a group around to either stop the name change or fight it.i can see what your saying though james. i think they hope to educate him

If you don't like a successful football club, then go back to the books, study hard, then one day my left wing friend you may get a job in a coffee shop. CCMB for you me tinks.

Your username makes perfect sense. Im not on CCMB and don't like it as they don't answer the real issues at hand. Lets get the answers to the real issues here. Got to love the constant attempts to derail threads on here.

U tork a lott ov senss dynamite /bee Bu Leeda wun dai

So how do you counteract that. Extremism as James mentions? Could work but comes with a high risk and that is a total rejection from those on the fence. A more moderate approach that BU are trying to seek? Good chance that will work but time is of the essence. If they don't find it soon then the chance will be gone.

Will Cardiff ever return to blue? Carry on the way we are going and my opinion is no.

An extremist approach is the only one I could support Ian. It is to me the only method of a return to blue based on what Tan has said. For me, its either identity and history and taking the consequences of change or Tan, his investment and his rebranded image of us.

Whilst as you say an extremist view has a high risk factor its also to me the only thing that will work. The moderate approach is not a threat to Tan because its there and although it is a reminder to every one of our fans of our history in the meantime it is not doing a thing. The red fans seem more than happy for Bluebirds Unite to meet and do their thing whilst they act in a controlled way without stepping out of line.

An extremist view is the only way that those fans will realise this issue isn't going to go away and some fans truly will do anything to return to the clubs rightful colours. Only then when a serious rise up takes place will others jump on the bandwagon.

Well the extremist approach results in quickness. It can be a kick up the backside reaction or a bullet to the head.
Either way I suppose we would allknow.

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

Jeff, I have not seen their Facebook but only the photos posted in the thread on here. I am only asking. I would be far more likely to support them in an extremist form standing up for what they truly believe than waste my time supporting them for a cause such as 'trying to educate Tan'. That to me is something I do not get as its not an obtainable goal based on what Tan has said.

Im currently working on a website front page for them if they want it that gives a more respectable brand image than the blog they currently have. I have no issues helping out as I see the name change as a serious threat to the club we all know and love and I do believe it is coming.

james they need to be about for this name change.it will happen.whether b.u can get tan to return to blue is debatable.what isn,t debatable is there will need to be a group around to either stop the name change or fight it.i can see what your saying though james. i think they hope to educate him

So how do you counteract that. Extremism as James mentions? Could work but comes with a high risk and that is a total rejection from those on the fence. A more moderate approach that BU are trying to seek? Good chance that will work but time is of the essence. If they don't find it soon then the chance will be gone.

Will Cardiff ever return to blue? Carry on the way we are going and my opinion is no.

An extremist approach is the only one I could support Ian. It is to me the only method of a return to blue based on what Tan has said. For me, its either identity and history and taking the consequences of change or Tan, his investment and his rebranded image of us.

Whilst as you say an extremist view has a high risk factor its also to me the only thing that will work. The moderate approach is not a threat to Tan because its there and although it is a reminder to every one of our fans of our history in the meantime it is not doing a thing. The red fans seem more than happy for Bluebirds Unite to meet and do their thing whilst they act in a controlled way without stepping out of line.

An extremist view is the only way that those fans will realise this issue isn't going to go away and some fans truly will do anything to return to the clubs rightful colours. Only then when a serious rise up takes place will others jump on the bandwagon.

Well the extremist approach results in quickness. It can be a kick up the backside reaction or a bullet to the head.
Either way I suppose we would allknow.

i can see the point of an extremist approach.i think this is a long one though ian.massive respect for sian.

Sian will have some difficult decisions to make in the near future. Whatever she decides she will get criticised. Its who is doing the criticism will tell her if she made the right choice.

Larst poynt payshuns is sow virtuas/u bin warnd.gudnyte al

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

Some would love that, you know keeping the blue away but I say bollocks to them.

Keep the blue where it matters and that's in the stadium. Yes the red brigade will say you are putting into Tans pocket but what is that to him when he tends to gain more through sponsorship deals such as Sky and from his homeland politicians.

I recall someone trying to be smart with me when I said I refuse to buy red. What was the reply "oh Tan won't miss your £200 a season merchandise you use to buy". Fair enough then he won't notice my gate money then will he. One thing he will notice is the blue I'm wearing and that is worth throwing my money at the gate.

Funnily enough someone said to me they heard VT say whilst pointing during the Spurs game "is that Ian there in the blue shirt, it really hurts but his £350 season ticket money will go some way to easing the pain"

What season ticket money Gwyn?

So you paying even more than the bargain season ticket price then, even better in his eyes then.

4. Why are you accepting members who still attend games and pay into Tans pocket?

Some would love that, you know keeping the blue away but I say bollocks to them.

Keep the blue where it matters and that's in the stadium. Yes the red brigade will say you are putting into Tans pocket but what is that to him when he tends to gain more through sponsorship deals such as Sky and from his homeland politicians.

I recall someone trying to be smart with me when I said I refuse to buy red. What was the reply "oh Tan won't miss your £200 a season merchandise you use to buy". Fair enough then he won't notice my gate money then will he. One thing he will notice is the blue I'm wearing and that is worth throwing my money at the gate.

Funnily enough someone said to me they heard VT say whilst pointing during the Spurs game "is that Ian there in the blue shirt, it really hurts but his £350 season ticket money will go some way to easing the pain"

What season ticket money Gwyn?

So you paying even more than the bargain season ticket price then, even better in his eyes then.

Nope not at all.

Whatever money he is getting from the seats is nothing compared to what he has his eyes on. The blue presence is not easing his pain that is very clear and that alone is worth paying the money for.

at the begining of the rebrand a mass walkout would have helped.now all a walkout by people wanting to return to blue would do is give a seat to a person not bothered about the red.if you were to drop a league and stay there a few years you will see the demand for tickets drop.blues have lost thousands since our time in the prem.why do you say b.u are losing support?according to fb they have had more members sign this week.

He is just basing it purely on the fact that there wasn't much members at the last meeting...

Obviously he didn't take into account that:

1) The meeting wasn't in Cardiff this time so wasn't easy access for everyone to get to

I live in the valleys and the following in this area is quite big!

Its not just Cardiff folk that supports Cardiff city

Where was the meeting held?

Where was the meeting held?

spots bar canton which is in Cardiff.