' TOM INCE '

The transfer window closed and Tom Ince has stayed at Blackpool despite them accepting an offer of £8m from us earlier in the summer.

So Ince is in the last 12 months of his contract and it looks very much like he will move on in January for a sum far less than we offered or possibly leave for nothing at the end of the season.

I wonder what the Blackpool chairman is thinking right now being that his father, manager and agent Paul looked like he was acting in the best interest of his son and not the club.

Should City go back in for him in January?

We had similar situations regarding a player running down his contract in Joe Ledley and Adam Matthews, maybe Blackpool are confident they can get promoted this season and won't worry too much about the millions they may have missed out on.

Possibly, unlike ourselves at the time with Ledley and Matthews, Blackpool are so financially better off that is a gamble worth taking.

No thanks. I truly believe we'd have a winger in if he hadn't messed us about for so long.

Nope let him rot.

I would be happy to take him for a reduced amount or possibly nothing, he is a talent and young.

I would be happy to take him for a reduced amount or possibly nothing, he is a talent and young.

Agreed. He is a fantastic talent. I have a couple of friends who are blackpool exiles and they rave about him. They were upset about Phillips going to QPR but more relieved that Ince had stayed.

I would be happy to take him for a reduced amount or possibly nothing, he is a talent and young.

I agree Carl. I'm sure the Blackpool chairman will say to Paul Ince in January to sell Tom as he will want some sort of fee for him. I could see him going to Newcastle or Spurs etc if it's a fee of 4m or less mind....

I really don't get just how personally our fans took his rejection. His reasons for staying were more than fair enough. I also don't think a bid from one of the big guns this window was that unrealistic either. His negotiating power for his own gains will only get better the closer he gets to becoming a free agent.

If his form continues on from last year. I would love for us to go back in for him in Jan. Blackpool would have to think hard about a £2m bid at that point if he hasn't renewed his contract. There was an interview on the Sky Sports website (which has now gone) where he talked about our approach, Malky & CCFC. I thought he came across as quite classy and he said very complimentary things about our approach. Just looked for the vid but it's gone now unfortunately.

Three things to make us going back in for him likely if Malky is still keen...

1. Our early season form continues and Blackpool's early season form drops off.

2. Ince's form is good again, but not so good that one of the top dogs go for him.

3. Ince has at no point visited a Cardiff City forum in the past month...

I would be happy to take him for a reduced amount or possibly nothing, he is a talent and young.

Fully agreed.

When I look back at some of the interviews Paul Ince has given, I wonder if Malky would not guarantee a starting place for Tom.

It is a pure guess on my part but because Ince senior gave a couple of interviews stating that it is important for Tom to be playing regular for the development of his career, it has made me think that it could have been the case.

Regardless though, if there is a possibility to sign him, I hope we do.

When I look back at some of the interviews Paul Ince has given, I wonder if Malky would not guarantee a starting place for Tom.

It is a pure guess on my part but because Ince senior gave a couple of interviews stating that it is important for Tom to be playing regular for the development of his career, it has made me think that it could have been the case.

Regardless though, if there is a possibility to sign him, I hope we do.

I don't. His father's a self loathing jeb end and if he continues to listen to him he'll go the same way.

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When I look back at some of the interviews Paul Ince has given, I wonder if Malky would not guarantee a starting place for Tom.

It is a pure guess on my part but because Ince senior gave a couple of interviews stating that it is important for Tom to be playing regular for the development of his career, it has made me think that it could have been the case.

Regardless though, if there is a possibility to sign him, I hope we do.

I don't. His father's a self loathing jeb end and if he continues to listen to him he'll go the same way.

I don't care for his father, I want talented players at the club and Tom Ince is a talent

to be honest can you blaming him in staying put ?.

his dad manager, just had baby which would of ment he be away from his
new family and every thing in his favour now, with his contract running out ?.

i think we spent to much time chasing him, but i dont blame him he made choice for himself

Hi Carl.

Nah, I don't reckon this was the reason. At £8m I think Malky was definitely looking at him as a starter. (Though I think and hope Cornelius might be treated different). In hindsight, we went in too early. Had we gone in after the Medel & Caulker signings we would have looked much less like relegation fodder. Though I understand why Malky rushed in early, he probably thought Ince would come and it would have been a good signing to start the window off with.

The transfer window closed and Tom Ince has stayed at Blackpool despite them accepting an offer of £8m from us earlier in the summer.

So Ince is in the last 12 months of his contract and it looks very much like he will move on in January for a sum far less than we offered or possibly leave for nothing at the end of the season.

I wonder what the Blackpool chairman is thinking right now being that his father, manager and agent Paul looked like he was acting in the best interest of his son and not the club.

Should City go back in for him in January?

We had similar situations regarding a player running down his contract in Joe Ledley and Adam Matthews, maybe Blackpool are confident they can get promoted this season and won't worry too much about the millions they may have missed out on.

Possibly, unlike ourselves at the time with Ledley and Matthews, Blackpool are so financially better off that is a gamble worth taking.

I think people need to stop being so bitter about Tom Ince and the personal abuse is uncalled for... I agree with Carl - I think his father and agent have been incompetent in advising him as I am sure if it had been up to Tom he would have come to us. I imagine his father telling him to wait and his agent telling him a bigger club will come in for him.

Interesting that you mention Ledley and Matthews... unforgivable of the club to let their contracts run down. One of the biggest mistakes we made... losing out on a possible 7million.

Providing he is still performing I would have no hesitation in getting him in January... as long as we don't have to put up with father in the middle of the transfer because that's been the problem... not Tom.

I don't see why Paul Ince's advice was necessarily bad. Tom will be able to negotiate for more the closer he gets to being a free agent. Clearly Paul Ince has done a good job of nurturing his son as a footballer so far. Not surprising considering he was an outstanding footballer himself.

Hi Carl.

Nah, I don't reckon this was the reason. At £8m I think Malky was definitely looking at him as a starter. (Though I think and hope Cornelius might be treated different). In hindsight, we went in too early. Had we gone in after the Medel & Caulker signings we would have looked much less like relegation fodder. Though I understand why Malky rushed in early, he probably thought Ince would come and it would have been a good signing to start the window off with.

As I say, that is nothing other than a guess by myself, and it is based on the Paul Ince interviews.

You make an interesting point though about the timing of the bid and maybe the outcome would have been different had we already signed Caulker and Medel.

I don't see why Paul Ince's advice was necessarily bad. Tom will be able to negotiate for more the closer he gets to being a free agent. Clearly Paul Ince has done a good job of nurturing his son as a footballer so far. Not surprising considering he was an outstanding footballer himself.

But as Blackpool manager has Paul Ince done the correct thing for the club, his employer?

I believe the simple position is that as his contract runs down the more the wonga heads for mr tom ince's pocket rather than his club's.There is also of course his agent's (dad's) position to think about. Blackpool and the oystons miss out but I don't think anyone other than them would be worried about that.

I don't see why Paul Ince's advice was necessarily bad. Tom will be able to negotiate for more the closer he gets to being a free agent. Clearly Paul Ince has done a good job of nurturing his son as a footballer so far. Not surprising considering he was an outstanding footballer himself.

But as Blackpool manager has Paul Ince done the correct thing for the club, his employer?

Not really as they will not be able to demand as much in January now. They will get around £4m for him and they already owe Liverpool FC a percentage of what they get for him.

The transfer window closed and Tom Ince has stayed at Blackpool despite them accepting an offer of £8m from us earlier in the summer.

So Ince is in the last 12 months of his contract and it looks very much like he will move on in January for a sum far less than we offered or possibly leave for nothing at the end of the season.

I wonder what the Blackpool chairman is thinking right now being that his father, manager and agent Paul looked like he was acting in the best interest of his son and not the club.

Should City go back in for him in January?

We had similar situations regarding a player running down his contract in Joe Ledley and Adam Matthews, maybe Blackpool are confident they can get promoted this season and won't worry too much about the millions they may have missed out on.

Possibly, unlike ourselves at the time with Ledley and Matthews, Blackpool are so financially better off that is a gamble worth taking.

I think people need to stop being so bitter about Tom Ince and the personal abuse is uncalled for... I agree with Carl - I think his father and agent have been incompetent in advising him as I am sure if it had been up to Tom he would have come to us. I imagine his father telling him to wait and his agent telling him a bigger club will come in for him.

Interesting that you mention Ledley and Matthews... unforgivable of the club to let their contracts run down. One of the biggest mistakes we made... losing out on a possible 7million.

Providing he is still performing I would have no hesitation in getting him in January... as long as we don't have to put up with father in the middle of the transfer because that's been the problem... not Tom.

Matthews was totally unforgivable by Dave Jones but Ledley could have gone for £6m but Ridsdale turned it down as it was the final day of the transfer window and we had not long sold Ramsey.

The transfer window closed and Tom Ince has stayed at Blackpool despite them accepting an offer of £8m from us earlier in the summer.

So Ince is in the last 12 months of his contract and it looks very much like he will move on in January for a sum far less than we offered or possibly leave for nothing at the end of the season.

I wonder what the Blackpool chairman is thinking right now being that his father, manager and agent Paul looked like he was acting in the best interest of his son and not the club.

Should City go back in for him in January?

We had similar situations regarding a player running down his contract in Joe Ledley and Adam Matthews, maybe Blackpool are confident they can get promoted this season and won't worry too much about the millions they may have missed out on.

Possibly, unlike ourselves at the time with Ledley and Matthews, Blackpool are so financially better off that is a gamble worth taking.

I think people need to stop being so bitter about Tom Ince and the personal abuse is uncalled for... I agree with Carl - I think his father and agent have been incompetent in advising him as I am sure if it had been up to Tom he would have come to us. I imagine his father telling him to wait and his agent telling him a bigger club will come in for him.

Interesting that you mention Ledley and Matthews... unforgivable of the club to let their contracts run down. One of the biggest mistakes we made... losing out on a possible 7million.

Providing he is still performing I would have no hesitation in getting him in January... as long as we don't have to put up with father in the middle of the transfer because that's been the problem... not Tom.

Matthews was totally unforgivable by Dave Jones but Ledley could have gone for £6m but Ridsdale turned it down as it was the final day of the transfer window and we had not long sold Ramsey.

I agree, I thought Jones treatment of Matthews was nothing short of gross misconduct. As for Ledley, I had no problem with his leaving but we should have tied him down to a long term deal the season before.

When I look back at some of the interviews Paul Ince has given, I wonder if Malky would not guarantee a starting place for Tom.

It is a pure guess on my part but because Ince senior gave a couple of interviews stating that it is important for Tom to be playing regular for the development of his career, it has made me think that it could have been the case.

Regardless though, if there is a possibility to sign him, I hope we do.

I don't any manager can guarantee a regular starting place. I'd take him in January if the price was ok and he'd learned to wipe his own bottom.

As you said earlier we had a few players run down their contracts, but where are they now ? 2 sometimes playing in a one team league. And what about J.B. and C.B. ? Still setting the field alight


One would get on our bench now.

I don't like what happened with the Ince none deal, but why not put a bid in of 3-4mil he is an up and coming talent, and they are the type of player Cardiff City need to progress to the next level. I think it was more down to his father than him why he didn't sign for us, but we all move on

I would be happy to take him for a reduced amount or possibly nothing, he is a talent and young.

That is why you are not a football manager. If a player doesn't want to come (and its not like we were offering a shit deal), then there will always be a nag in the back of your mind about his level of commitment and lotalty. Malky has built a team of players who WANT to be here. Apparrently Medel was demanding to play in the Bilbao friendly - telling Malky to put him on the pitch even though his registration status meant he couldn't legally play. Capoue, Wanyamar Ince . If you don't want to come then you will never come. Plenty of players to chose from and I know if I were a manager that I'd only want a dressing room full of players who WANTED to be with me. I spoke to Nathan Blake recently who said that the team he played in would have gone to war for Eddie May - to a man. And that is exactly what we will need to stay up this season.

f**k Ince. I hope he breaks his leg.

Last edited by RobbieS on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I don't see why Paul Ince's advice was necessarily bad. Tom will be able to negotiate for more the closer he gets to being a free agent. Clearly Paul Ince has done a good job of nurturing his son as a footballer so far. Not surprising considering he was an outstanding footballer himself.

But as Blackpool manager has Paul Ince done the correct thing for the club, his employer?

If you were a shareholder you would be peed off. 8 million in July or nothing next year?

However Karl oyston is not popular in Blackpool and has allegedly taken a large proportion of parachute payments out of club rather than reinvesting in squad so maybe Ince realised that he wouldn't see the fee and was better off keeping his son as with him he has a great chance of top 6 and promotion. Without him mid table beckons

I don't see why Paul Ince's advice was necessarily bad. Tom will be able to negotiate for more the closer he gets to being a free agent. Clearly Paul Ince has done a good job of nurturing his son as a footballer so far. Not surprising considering he was an outstanding footballer himself.

But as Blackpool manager has Paul Ince done the correct thing for the club, his employer?

No, absolutely not. He has put his son's interests over his employers. To be honest though this makes me admire Ince Snr even more. From what little I know about the Blackpool owners, they sound as if they are money grabbers themselves and were very lucky to have ever got PL money. But for Paul Ince's own career now, he better have a good season himself or hope a tempting job offer comes his way. A very awkward situation all round.

Actually I always thought in the past that Paul's employment in the first place was, in part, to do with Blackpool's biggest asset - Ince Jnr. That has backfired too. Unless they win promotion again which I doubt very much they will.

I would be happy to take him for a reduced amount or possibly nothing, he is a talent and young.

That is why you are not a football manager. If a player doesn't want to come (and its not like we were offering a shit deal), then there will always be a nag in the back of your mind about his level of commitment and lotalty. Malky has built a team of players who WANT to be here. Apparrently Medel was demanding to play in the Bilbao friendly - telling Malky to put him on the pitch even though his registration status meant he couldn't legally play. Capoue, Wanyamar Ince . If you don't want to come then you will never come. Plenty of players to chose from and I know if I were a manager that I'd only want a dressing room full of players who WANTED to be with me. I spoke to Nathan Blake recently who said that the team he played in would have gone to war for Eddie May - to a man. And that is exactly what we will need to stay up this season.

f**k Ince. I hope he breaks his leg.

I take your point and love your idealism. But both Kim and Medel have both been up front about using CCFC as a spring board for their careers. Matthews & Ledley have been mentioned on this thread. They left us for what was at the time a much bigger opportunity. As did our beloved Rambo. In Rambo leaving, he would have said to himself - I have to leave, I have the potential to be World class. If Ince envisages himself as risking his potential by coming to a club that could get relegated, then that is a player who deep down believes in his own ability.

Surely what matters most is a players commitment and application at their time at the club?

I don't understand the hostility towards him.

I bet he gets a new contract in the next month with a tasty buy out clause included

All our "Football Manager" experts forget we are talking about a well educated, privileged middle class kid, who fully understands his value and the game.

His family live in the north west, he lives there. He can afford to do what he wants. London may be lure, but Manchester or Liverpool may be his preferred location. Any more goals like Saturdays and the big 6 may come knocking.

I know there is no such thing as player loyalty these days but feck him.....I wouldnt care if he was the next Gareth Bale.....he shat on us. We should not speak to him again.