PS4 or Xbox One?

What's the best console to get this year?

Xbox One or the PS4?


Still undecided on which one to get, or maybe not even getting one and staying with my Xbox 360

Don't get either mate yet. I'd wait a year and a half and then get the Xbox One. The Xbox One is future proofed because of the tech whereas the PS4 really isn't and is going to appeal a lot more now. Just get GTA 5 for your current gen console and wait it out. Within 1-2 years of release the potential of the next generations will be realised and thats when the XB1 will really come into its own.

Joliffe who posts on here is a gaming industry bod an he says without a shadow of a doubt the PS4.

Which one has the biggest RAM, hardware?

The Xbox One is future proofed because of the tech whereas the PS4 really isn't and is going to appeal a lot more now.

Nonsense. Ur talking crap. Xbox One tried to DRM all content in order to make maximum profit, this turned out to be the biggest turning point in it's history as all consumers decided to boycott the restrictions which turned out to be successful. The console itself has been very focused on everything apart from games, they have lost faith in the indie industry, along with a lot of their first parties top developers moving on and creating 3rd party industries. System spec analyists confirmed that the PS4 is indeed a lot more powerful than the Xbox one. This will be interesting to see for future ip games.
PS4 have already sold out of their pre order stock & have issued statements to leading companies to advise new customers that their orders will be later than scheduled release date. The PS3 in my eyes was a failure because they pretty much did what Microsoft are doing now, they have learn't they lesson for trying to screw us,the consumer over. Now it's microsofts turn to learn.

My advice is save yourself a shit load of money, buy a PS4, pay your 39.99 a year membership & get your 3 free games every month without having to have a stupid kinect monitor your every move. Playstation have won back a lot of developers & have impressed me with how they have won back the indie market.

PS4

Nonsense. Ur talking crap. Xbox One tried to DRM all content in order to make maximum profit, this turned out to be the biggest turning point in it's history as all consumers decided to boycott the restrictions which turned out to be successful.

At the current point in time. In the future, the Steam way of DRM will become the norm and the Xbox One is perfectly ready for those adaptations via firmware updates.

The console itself has been very focused on everything apart from games, they have lost faith in the indie industry, along with a lot of their first parties top developers moving on and creating 3rd party industries.

The indie industry is allowed to self publish on either console....

System spec analyists confirmed that the PS4 is indeed a lot more powerful than the Xbox one. This will be interesting to see for future ip games.

Means jack shit. The Xbox has separate RAM for gaming and media whereas the PS4 has it all for all which can cause more system crashes. It entirely depends on the code written for each and how well developers make their games to run on the systems and I know that as I study computer science - programming and all that stuff.

The cloud capabilities that the Xbox One has will also give it a massive advantage over the PS4 which will still have laggy as shit servers. Sony haven't announced anything about dedicated servers either. Future gaming should be less lag and better playing.

PS4 have already sold out of their pre order stock & have issued statements to leading companies to advise new customers that their orders will be later than scheduled release date. The PS3 in my eyes was a failure because they pretty much did what Microsoft are doing now, they have learn't they lesson for trying to screw us,the consumer over. Now it's microsofts turn to learn.

Means nothing either. In the short term the PS4 will be lapped up as they won at E3 but the Xbox One is the future proof console. When all companies clamber for DRM imposed in the Steam model which is wanted and everything goes online the Xbox One is ready.

Also, with Microsoft bringing Windows 8 to Xbox One its arguably going to be easier for PC vs Xbox One gaming. As Microsoft owns Windows as well which is the major gaming platform its going to be easy as shit for them to freeze Sony out and Sony will not become part of cross console/device gaming.

http://n4g.com/news/1284719/xbox-one-a- ... of-console
http://www.at7addak.com/en/Articles/227 ... of-Console
http://www.respawnin5.com/2013/06/why-t ... -and-more/

At the current point in time. In the future, the Steam way of DRM will become the norm and the Xbox One is perfectly ready for those adaptations via firmware updates.

Steam way of DRM? this is about "physical content" you buy a game for £40 you finish it you trade it in for say £20, you get "some" of your money back. Do you understand?

The indie industry is allowed to self publish on either console....

Correct, but they have lost faith in Microsoft as their policy is to sign a 3 year exclusive which prevent them from publishing their game anywhere else. Guess where they are all going?

Means jack shit. The Xbox has separate RAM for gaming and media whereas the PS4 has it all for all which can cause more system crashes. It entirely depends on the code written for each and how well developers make their games to run on the systems and I know that as I study computer science - programming and all that stuff.

talking crap again - Link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cbHUHAWCo

The cloud capabilities that the Xbox One has will also give it a massive advantage over the PS4 which will still have laggy as shit servers. Sony haven't announced anything about dedicated servers either. Future gaming should be less lag and better playing.

clueless - Sony have acquired Gaikai, which is implemented into PS4 which pisses over all that dross you wrote above

Means nothing either. In the short term the PS4 will be lapped up as they won at E3 but the Xbox One is the future proof console. When all companies clamber for DRM imposed in the Steam model which is wanted and everything goes online the Xbox One is ready.

The consumer is in control! as already demonstrated

Also, with Microsoft bringing Windows 8 to Xbox One its arguably going to be easier for PC vs Xbox One gaming. As Microsoft owns Windows as well which is the major gaming platform its going to be easy as shit for them to freeze Sony out and Sony will not become part of cross console/device gaming.

Windows 8 is shit!!!! Microsofts whole new outlook on future software evidently is failing!! Google chrome > Explorer

ive always been a xbox fan but the way they tried to screw the customers over made me want to give sony another try with the ps4 which is what I will probably be getting, I get what Barnett is saying that xbox one is future proof and system already is there but it is still something I am not interested in, I like to buy games and keep them I rarely trade games, xbox tried to screw us and after a year they could change their minds and reinforce the changes they was going to do, you already bought the system whats going to stop them doing the changes they have the rights to change things.

Steam way of DRM? this is about "physical content" you buy a game for £40 you finish it you trade it in for say £20, you get "some" of your money back. Do you understand?

Steam DRM is the way it will go. Valve have perfectly illustrated that its a model that works and with piracy increasing they will definitely follow that model.

clueless - Sony have acquired Gaikai, which is implemented into PS4 which pisses over all that dross you wrote above

Do you know what Gaikai is? Its a cloud BASED video game streaming service and its not 100% proper cloud computing and doesn't support dedicated servers FFS. It also does not have the full capabilities of the cloud that the Xbox One has. Laughable that you're trying to argue with someone who's course is Internet Computing & Systems Admin about such topics. The dedicated servers the Xbox One has gives it a massive advantage.

Sony's Azure cloud is far more sophisticated than Gaikai, does more and has been worked on as a joint partnership between Microsoft and Samsung since 2009. Gaikai is nothing on it, its a streaming service.

The consumer is in control! as already demonstrated

At the moment in time consumers aren't ready for change in the console market. In the future the changes will be phased in once the consoles have launched and it will work as it already has done with Steam. Laughable that you think consumers solely stipulate the market. Supply and demand and there will always be fanboys there who will get the console they want no matter what.

Windows 8 is shit!!!! Microsofts whole new outlook on future software evidently is failing!! Google chrome > Explorer

So you've gone from comparing consoles to companies to then browsers. Laughable as none of them prove what you are on about. Also, Google is nothing to do with Sony so how does that back up your argument in the slightest? Also IE is still massively used.

http://betanews.com/2013/08/03/four-big ... he-masses/

First proper debate i've seen in a long time on this football forum is about....consoles !

If only people could debate about football like this and keep it clean.

I say f**k Microsoft..

When that arrogant prick came onto the stage and told us all that if we didn't like the DRM on the Xbox one to f**k off and buy a 360 is something that shouldn't be forgiven..

Xbox - Most of the players with microphones are squeaky fuckwits.
Banned for stupid reasons.
So much easier to hack.

I buy a games console to play games, not for Youtube, Netflix, Facebook and any of the other lame apps.

f**k Microsoft.

Plus, isn't it 100£ cheaper?

Steam DRM is the way it will go. Valve have perfectly illustrated that its a model that works and with piracy increasing they will definitely follow that model.

Valve is a PC platform FFS, 100% of the games on steam can be pirated If, as you predict DRM becomes standard and accepted by the consumer, what makes you think Sony are going to be unprepared?

"Do you know what Gaikai is? Its a cloud BASED video game streaming service"

Correct! & if you own a particular game on a prior PS Console you get to play it via the PS4 without having to buy it again. that is whats important to me
I'll agree that the Xbox have better servers & so they should after draining us of 40 quid every year as for Cloud gaming on a computational scale, we will have to wait & see how they fare on both consoles when they are both released!

Laughable that you're trying to argue with someone who's course is Internet Computing & Systems Admin about such topics.

Yet you failed to comment regarding the specs i mentioned regarding both consoles FML!

At the moment in time consumers aren't ready for change in the console market. In the future the changes will be phased in once the consoles have launched and it will work as it already has done with Steam. Laughable that you think consumers solely stipulate the market. Supply and demand and there will always be fanboys there who will get the console they want no matter what.

Consumers want value for money & want control in what it is they want to do. This not a rant about Fanboyism this about choosing a platform solely for GAMING!!! I owned a ps2, followed by the xbox 360. Your defending a console that wants to become a propaganda machine, that wants to sell you everything at maximum price.

So you've gone from comparing consoles to companies to then browsers. Laughable as none of them prove what you are on about. Also, Google is nothing to do with Sony so how does that back up your argument in the slightest? Also IE is still massively used.

Windows 8 is shit! prove me wrong Internet Computing & Systems Admin IE is Still massively "installed" do yourself a favour and get rid!

I say f**k Microsoft..

When that arrogant prick came onto the stage and told us all that if we didn't like the DRM on the Xbox one to f**k off and buy a 360 is something that shouldn't be forgiven..

Xbox - Most of the players with microphones are squeaky fuckwits.
Banned for stupid reasons.
So much easier to hack.

I buy a games console to play games, not for Youtube, Netflix, Facebook and any of the other lame apps.

f**k Microsoft.

Plus, isn't it 100£ cheaper?

How is it arrogant? Its true. This is the 21st century. Adobe have taken Photoshop online with monthly activations and people still buy it and the creative suite because they have too. Supply and demand will still be massive. Microsoft also control the PC market massively in terms of gaming thanks to Windows. Gaming hasn't taken off on Apple or Linux yet and probably wont massively as the user base is still much lower.

Most working people have the internet so the online activation is nothing. Microsofts DRM was visionary and its the way its going so get used to it. Valve brought Steam to the market and changed it massively with enforced DRM but they have MASSIVE SALES which means you get a new copy you can always redownload from online and at cheaper cost.

There's going to be loads of people in for a shock because when Microsoft reintroduce their DRM in a couple of years time they will slash the prices of games and massively undercut Sony who will still require physical copies. They will be able to move forward with the Xbox One Marketplace and an entire online catalogue.

http://gamegeex.blogomancer.com/post/13 ... ike-steam/

Oh, and the used game market HURTS developers as well because nothing goes back to them whereas if you buy a cheaper digital copy from an online catalogue like Steam you are actually paying an agreed fixated price and they get a cut which goes to supporting them.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html

When Xbox One goes back to DRM as planned via an update Sony will have no option but to follow suit or get left behind as Valve and Microsoft control the market.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/08/so-may ... ike-steam/

So now thanks to idiots who crave the used game market we have developers getting less money and new game releases costing a lot more. Great news.

I know ill be sticking with PC. Why pay £35-40 for a new game on console when i can get the same game with better graphics on PC for £25-30 thanks to Steam?

Steam DRM is the way it will go. Valve have perfectly illustrated that its a model that works and with piracy increasing they will definitely follow that model.

Valve is a PC platform FFS, 100% of the games on steam can be pirated If, as you predict DRM becomes standard and accepted by the consumer, what makes you think Sony are going to be unprepared?
As he said above, everygame can be pirated.. Every serial code can be generated.. The only real way to limit it is to limit the single player functionality with the online capabilities such as being connected to steam, which isn't a big problem anyway (speaking for experience with using copyrighted games such as FM13, COH2 etc.

"Do you know what Gaikai is? Its a cloud BASED video game streaming service"

Correct! & if you own a particular game on a prior PS Console you get to play it via the PS4 without having to buy it again. that is whats important to me
I'll agree that the Xbox have better servers & so they should after draining us of 40 quid every year as for Cloud gaming on a computational scale, we will have to wait & see how they fare on both consoles when they are both released! I would rather use a hard copy such as a USB flash drive to save my games.

Laughable that you're trying to argue with someone who's course is Internet Computing & Systems Admin about such topics.

Yet you failed to comment regarding the specs i mentioned regarding both consoles FML! Studying some gay course doesn't make you an expert, sit down.

At the moment in time consumers aren't ready for change in the console market. In the future the changes will be phased in once the consoles have launched and it will work as it already has done with Steam. Laughable that you think consumers solely stipulate the market. Supply and demand and there will always be fanboys there who will get the console they want no matter what.

Consumers want value for money & want control in what it is they want to do. This not a rant about Fanboyism this about choosing a platform solely for GAMING!!! I owned a ps2, followed by the xbox 360. Your defending a console that wants to become a propaganda machine, that wants to sell you everything at maximum price. The market is mainly pre-teens.. These kids follow fads or what their friends/youtube commentators have, regardless of how well one does over the other.

So you've gone from comparing consoles to companies to then browsers. Laughable as none of them prove what you are on about. Also, Google is nothing to do with Sony so how does that back up your argument in the slightest? Also IE is still massively used.

Windows 8 is shit! prove me wrong Internet Computing & Systems Admin IE is Still massively "installed" do yourself a favour and get rid! Windows is the widest used operating system which comes with a default IE browser, it's only logical for it to be the most widely "used"

Valve is a PC platform FFS, 100% of the games on steam can be pirated If, as you predict DRM becomes standard and accepted by the consumer, what makes you think Sony are going to be unprepared?

VALVE IS A COMPANY, NOT A PLATFORM.

Valve created Steam, the digital marketplace for PC gaming and it destroyed everything else on offer because DRM allowed them to cut gaming prices.

I'll agree that the Xbox have better servers & so they should after draining us of 40 quid every year as for Cloud gaming on a computational scale, we will have to wait & see how they fare on both consoles when they are both released!

On a computational scale in terms of cloud computing the XB1 blows the PS4 out of the water because the PS4's cloud is only for streaming, not for dedicated servers for gaming.

Yet you failed to comment regarding the specs i mentioned regarding both consoles FML!

PS4 has better hardware but hardware alone means jack shit. Performance is based on hardware and software and the firmware that creates the link between the two. Good hardware alone means nothing.

Consumers want value for money & want control in what it is they want to do. This not a rant about Fanboyism this about choosing a platform solely for GAMING!!! I owned a ps2, followed by the xbox 360. Your defending a console that wants to become a propaganda machine, that wants to sell you everything at maximum price.

VALUE FOR MONEY IS DRM. Used games drive up prices of new games FFS. Thats why DRM FULL STEAM, CREATED BY VALVE, THE COMPANY, CHARGE LOW PRICES BECAUSE DRM ALLOWS THEM TO UNDERCUT THE COMPETITION..

Windows 8 is shit! prove me wrong Internet Computing & Systems Admin IE is Still massively "installed" do yourself a favour and get rid!

Windows 8 is shit imo (Linux user here) but still loads of people use it. I use Chrome and Firefox for programming debugging thanks to all the extensions myself.

Oh, by the way, IE is still the 2nd most used browser after Chrome and has a market share still above Firefox. Also, still doesn't support your argument.

Your argument seems to be that used games means cheap games when actually used games hurt developers and drive up prices which then adds to piracy when people refuse to pay the prices. Steams model is perfect and Microsoft wanted to bring a similar model to XB1 so that they could bring prices down and undercut Sony.

Laughable how a proven model which lowers the prices of games like Steam's is out there yet you continue to argue the older way is better. Steams implementation destroyed every other competitor out there in PC gaming and Origin only had a place thanks to EA's control and power in the gaming industry.

Im not even going to continue debating with you now as you clearly know nothing about gaming.

'Valve is a platform'

I can't believe you just came out with that and argue that Steam, a tried and tested method of game distribution, doesn't work and won't help lowering prices on console.

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

Adobe have taken Photoshop online with monthly activations and people still buy it and the creative suite because they have too.

Adobe's New Subscription Service Goes Live And Is Cracked In Less Than 24 Hours
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Microsoft also control the PC market massively in terms of gaming thanks to Windows.

They are only an OS! They don't get a share of everything that is brought out that is compatible with windows & if your on about that dross "gaming for windows" then shame on you! linux & Mac are growing in user base mainly due to windows 8!!

There's going to be loads of people in for a shock because when Microsoft reintroduce their DRM....

They are probably going to trade it in for a PS4

Adobe's New Subscription Service Goes Live And Is Cracked In Less Than 24 Hours
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So because something is pirated its not successful or cant be? Great logic chap. I suspect you might want to tell the production team at Game of Thrones that. Its well known that Steam's DRM is what helps it undercut the competition yet idiots want to keep the used game market that hurts developers and keep the prices for new games high. Brilliant.

They are only an OS!

No shit sherlock. Im fully aware of that. Its like KS2 level computing.

They don't get a share of everything that is brought out that is compatible with windows

What do you need to buy and install to play most games on a PC? Windows. Enough said. They dont get a cut but a lot of their sales are from people who want to game. Linux's and Mac are growing very slowly.

They are probably going to trade it in for a PS4

No they wont. They'll stay with XB1 when the digital market significantly undercuts Sony's game pricing structure and they will then see that the Steam model of controlled DRM is perfect.

Judging by your posting style, im guessing you're about 12 years of age. Maybe you should go read a book.

VALVE IS A COMPANY & its platform is steam

PC DRM will be a hell of a lot different to Consoles. Gabe is a legend & he's gauged the market very well. Microsoft will look at maximizing their revenue stream! they couldn't give a monkeys! As proven throughout the xbox 360's lifecycle!

On a computational scale in terms of cloud computing the XB1 blows the PS4 out of the water because the PS4's cloud is only for streaming, not for dedicated servers for gaming.

But there's no evidence to confirm this it's all hear say!

PS4 has better hardware but hardware alone means jack shit. Performance is based on hardware and software and the firmware that creates the link between the two. Good hardware alone means nothing.

60FPS @ 1080 - Again we will have to wait & see if both consoles can maintain this

VALUE FOR MONEY IS DRM. Used games drive up prices of new games FFS. Thats why DRM FULL STEAM, CREATED BY VALVE, THE COMPANY, CHARGE LOW PRICES BECAUSE DRM ALLOWS THEM TO UNDERCUT THE COMPETITION..

Again your basing all this info on Valves vision. Microsoft will not follow suit you clown

Oh, by the way, IE is still the 2nd most Installed browser after Chrome.

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Your argument seems to be that used games means cheap games when actually used games hurt developers and drive up prices which then adds to piracy when people refuse to pay the prices. Steams model is perfect and Microsoft wanted to bring a similar model to XB1 so that they could bring prices down and undercut Sony.

Laughable how a proven model which lowers the prices of games like Steam's is out there yet you continue to argue the older way is better. Steams implementation destroyed every other competitor out there in PC gaming and Origin only had a place thanks to EA's control and power in the gaming industry.

Your missing the point again!! bollox to the developers they make enough i can assure you. If i can get a portion of my money back for something that will just gather dust then i'm going to go with that

VALVE IS A COMPANY & its platform is steam

PC DRM will be a hell of a lot different to Consoles. Gabe is a legend & he's gauged the market very well. Microsoft will look at maximizing their revenue stream! they couldn't give a monkeys! As proven throughout the xbox 360's lifecycle!

On a computational scale in terms of cloud computing the XB1 blows the PS4 out of the water because the PS4's cloud is only for streaming, not for dedicated servers for gaming.

But there's no evidence to confirm this it's all hear say!

PS4 has better hardware but hardware alone means jack shit. Performance is based on hardware and software and the firmware that creates the link between the two. Good hardware alone means nothing.

60FPS @ 1080 - Again we will have to wait & see if both consoles can maintain this

VALUE FOR MONEY IS DRM. Used games drive up prices of new games FFS. Thats why DRM FULL STEAM, CREATED BY VALVE, THE COMPANY, CHARGE LOW PRICES BECAUSE DRM ALLOWS THEM TO UNDERCUT THE COMPETITION..

Again your basing all this info on Valves vision. Microsoft will not follow suit you clown

Oh, by the way, IE is still the 2nd most Installed browser after Chrome.

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Your argument seems to be that used games means cheap games when actually used games hurt developers and drive up prices which then adds to piracy when people refuse to pay the prices. Steams model is perfect and Microsoft wanted to bring a similar model to XB1 so that they could bring prices down and undercut Sony.

Laughable how a proven model which lowers the prices of games like Steam's is out there yet you continue to argue the older way is better. Steams implementation destroyed every other competitor out there in PC gaming and Origin only had a place thanks to EA's control and power in the gaming industry.

Your missing the point again!! bollox to the developers they make enough i can assure you. If i can get a portion of my money back for something that will just gather dust then i'm going to go with that

Yet everything you have said has been proven wrong already by a system thats in place, Steam.

Also, you have been proven wrong by a leading game designer Jesse Schell. I suppose you know more than him though of course.

At the end of the day, its all about what you want, not the market. Thats fine you are entitled to want what you want but the market would be better off in the long run following the Steam model as it allows the price of new games to drop.

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So because something is pirated its not successful or cant be?

Your missing the point again if something gets restricted someone will "Always" find away around it

They are only an OS!
No shit sherlock. Im fully aware of that. Its like KS2 level computing.

Kernel me this?

They don't get a cut but a lot of their sales are from people who want to game.

I rest my case

They are probably going to trade it in for a PS4

No they wont. They'll stay with XB1

FML there be a fanboy response!

Judging by your posting style, im guessing you're about 12 years of age. Maybe you should go read a book.

Haha don't get so upset! I have my opinion, you have yours, hopefully readers will come to their own conclusion on what Console to buy M.O.W

Haha don't get so upset! I have my opinion, you have yours, hopefully readers will come to their own conclusion on what Console to buy M.O.W

Im fine and not upset in the slightest as i'm a PC gamer, not a console gamer. However, I can easily appreciate what Microsoft were planning on doing was the right thing as Steam has implemented the same method and it works.

Microsofts system would have had a work around, as Steam does where games can be pirated, you are right but the distribution method still means that they can lower game prices as Steam does through lower overheads, its simple business maths FFS. A digital distribution method needs DRM to be successful or the market is not controllable.

When you learn to quote accurately then I will respond. What a mess you have left there in the rest of your post. I got better things to do than sift through that shit.

Haha don't get so upset! I have my opinion, you have yours, hopefully readers will come to their own conclusion on what Console to buy M.O.W

Im fine and not upset in the slightest as i'm a PC gamer, not a console gamer. However, I can easily appreciate what Microsoft were planning on doing was the right thing as Steam has implemented the same method and it works.

Microsofts system would have had a work around, as Steam does where games can be pirated, you are right but the distribution method still means that they can lower game prices as Steam does through lower overheads, its simple business maths FFS. A digital distribution method needs DRM to be successful or the market is not controllable.

When you learn to quote accurately then I will respond. What a mess you have left there in the rest of your post. I got better things to do than sift through that shit.

To think that Microsoft will be the carbon copy of Gabes Vision is Deluded. The Major Game changer will be if Newell decides to go Gold with the steam box! Make all their AAA titles exclusive to it, offer the same deals as they do on the PC, then & only then will the consumer benefit from DRM. But this about 2 consoles the xbone & the ps4, which of the 2 are pouring their heart and soul out to the gamer? Which of the 2 are working to maximize revenue?

He claims that purely downloading the game like they do on steam would cut costs, yet.. Games on such as blops 2 are still 40£ in the marketplace etc.. Others which are much older are still recommended retail price.. Whereas you can pick up those games from Cex for as little as 10£

He claims that purely downloading the game like they do on steam would cut costs, yet.. Games on such as blops 2 are still 40£ in the marketplace etc.. Others which are much older are still recommended retail price.. Whereas you can pick up those games from Cex for as little as 10£

There's no second hand market for Steam hence why they can keep prices low. The used game market damages developers in the industry.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022957-17.html
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/05/18/ ... rse-piracy
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... used-games

No used game market + DRM and digital sales = Steam = lower new game prices as dev's get more of a cut from those sales whereas they get nothing from used game sales - its been proven

The current system is hurting developers which is why they are driving up prices to get the money back that they want.

Oh well, you wont listen anyway. I'll just stick to my cheap as feck PC gaming.

He claims that purely downloading the game like they do on steam would cut costs, yet.. Games on such as blops 2 are still 40£ in the marketplace etc.. Others which are much older are still recommended retail price.. Whereas you can pick up those games from Cex for as little as 10£

Your right in what you say, but valve has dominated digital content on the PC & as a result can offer absolutely insane deals, when they have a sale your literally looking at having 300+ hours of quality gaming for £5! If Microsoft become just as successful, they will do the complete opposite & will be intent on selling at the highest price! My favorite games are all Valve IP's since way back with TF on 56kbs. I've been a successful lanner both in uk + CGS tournies & online ladders and loved PC gaming, but i rarely have the time i did then, so console gaming is more appealing to me now & the PS4 ticks all my boxes

Only ever bought playstation so PS4 for me.

This was a great debate tbf, enjoyed reading all that lol I'm in chip shop alley's corner though as I'll be buying a PS4 as it seems really good and I've always been on Playstation throughout the generations!

If Microsoft become just as successful, they will do the complete opposite & will be intent on selling at the highest price!

Bollocks because its a competitive market still. The fact Sony still remain in the market means if Microsoft put their prices up sky high they would lose their customers in their droves. Microsoft would undercut Sony on game prices and try and take their share in the market. Microsoft's intent on controlling the market, not alienating it. The best way to get Sony fanboys to get on their side is to lower game prices.