Important for Drivers

This new police power comes into force this Friday.


There was bad news for Audi and Peugeot drivers today as British police were given new powers to clamp down on tailgaters and so-called ‘middle lane hoggers'.

Drivers who commit these offences face on the spot penalty fines of £100 and three points on their licence, under new plans revealed by government transport minister Stephen Hammond.

They also include new powers to issue fixed penalty notices for not giving way at a junction or using the wrong lane at a roundabout.

Stephen Hammond said: "Careless drivers are a menace and their negligence puts innocent people's lives at risk. That is why we are making it easier for the police to tackle problem drivers by allowing them to immediately issue a fixed penalty notice rather than needing to take every offender to court.

"We are also increasing penalties for a range of driving offences to a level which reflects their seriousness and which will ensure they are consistent with other similar penalty offences," he added.

The penalty fines for using a mobile phone whilst driving, and driving without wearing a seatbelt will also rise to £100 - up from £60 - while the fine for driving without insurance doubles from £100 to £200.

AA President Edmund King said: "We are pleased that at long last new powers and fines will be given to the police to tackle the top three pet hates of drivers - tailgaters, mobile phone abusers and middle-lane hogs."

Those are the top three, but what other motoring offences would you punish with an on-the-spot fine? Keep ‘em clean, TG.com...

About time......

Standards of some of the driving on these roads is appalling....

I agree, providing the powers are properly administered. A simple mistake approaching a roundabout is not worth 3 points and £100 fine....more fines and an incentive to nick drivers at £100 a time.

Good. Nothing worse than some c*nt in a BMW bullying his way up the motorway tailgating everyone.

Instant 1 month ban for anyone on their mobile - they really annoy me, and as for people who text whilst driving............

Good. Nothing worse than some c*nt in a BMW bullying his way up the motorway tailgating everyone.

Shouldn't be no need for tailgating the fucker in front has to move over now

South Wales Police don't police the main roads anymore because they say its a waste of finances!!! Believe me I was there when they visited Merthyr Council to do a presentation about it!!!!

The only time the police are on the M4 these days is when there's an accident

South Wales Police don't police the main roads anymore because they say its a waste of finances!!! Believe me I was there when they visited Merthyr Council to do a presentation about it!!!!

The only time the police are on the M4 these days is when there's an accident

You're right, the Chief Constable came out a while and go and said because of budget buts they couldn't afford to police the M4 anymore. They have those Highways Agency wankers, but they can't do shit.

Just creating extra rules that are difficult to enforce.

Another propaganda exercise by the authorities to keep people please. Lets see if it makes a difference first.

South Wales Police don't police the main roads anymore because they say its a waste of finances!!! Believe me I was there when they visited Merthyr Council to do a presentation about it!!!!

The only time the police are on the M4 these days is when there's an accident

You're right, the Chief Constable came out a while and go and said because of budget buts they couldn't afford to police the M4 anymore. They have those Highways Agency wankers, but they can't do shit.

Excatly they only ensure that the traffic flows as one of my former HGV Drivers is one.

I knew that something was on the cards regarding finances before the meeting so I did some homework and at the time South Wales Police own the second most properties out of all the the Police forces throughout the UK (Metropolitian being number one) so I asked them why don't they sell off the Police stations they have around the area which they don't use anymore!!!! It brought agreement from the other councillors but as usual they come out with some bollox response.

It was at the same time when they were appealing to local councils for a further 5% of peoples council tax so around 2010/11ish!!!

Ban the bastards that dont indicate fuc.ing morons they are

Ban the bastards that dont indicate fuc.ing morons they are

Yes, especially at roundabouts.

These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

Think you'll find that if they commit an offence they have to be arrested, as they do not have a UK address for a summons to be served!

These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

Think you'll find that if they commit an offence they have to be arrested, as they do not have a UK address for a summons to be served!

arrested however then let go on bail and you never see them again!!!!

These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

Think you'll find that if they commit an offence they have to be arrested, as they do not have a UK address for a summons to be served!

arrested however then let go on bail and you never see them again!!!!

Think you'll find that they have to be kept in custody and taken straight to the earliest available court!

White van man is fooked then

These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

Think you'll find that if they commit an offence they have to be arrested, as they do not have a UK address for a summons to be served!

arrested however then let go on bail and you never see them again!!!!

Think you'll find that they have to be kept in custody and taken straight to the earliest available court!

not all of them as many of them are bailed and asked to reported to the police station until the investigation is done yet they never report back!!! And even if they went to court then what happens to them..? Unless its a serious offence then even after court they are just let go with a slap on the wrist!!!

I had a Irish driver before who had an Irish driving licence and the client he was driving like a madman through speed camaras which must have lit up the roads like Blackpool Pleasure Beach!!!! Yet the fine couldn't be put on his licence because he wasn't a British driver so the client had to cough up!!!

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These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

Think you'll find that if they commit an offence they have to be arrested, as they do not have a UK address for a summons to be served!

arrested however then let go on bail and you never see them again!!!!

Think you'll find that they have to be kept in custody and taken straight to the earliest available court!

not all of them as many of them are bailed and asked to reported to the police station until the investigation is done yet they never report back!!! And even if they went to court then what happens to them..? Unless its a serious offence then even after court they are just let go with a slap on the wrist!!!

Think you'll find that they can only be bailed if they've got a suitable address where a summons could be served!

I had a Irish driver before who had an Irish driving licence and the client he was driving forwent mad as he was going through speed camaras which must have lit up the roads like Blackpool Pleasure Beach!!!! Yet the fine couldn't be put on his licence because he wasn't a British driver so the client had to cough up!!!

You're talking a different argument here, as you're now talking about points going on somebody's licence, as before, you were saying they couldn't be fined!

Under the scenario you've painted here, the boss would surely take any fines out of the employee's wages, unless he was soft in the head!

These days the worse drivers are foreign drivers on dodgy foreign licences!!!! You can't even fine them !!!!

Think you'll find that if they commit an offence they have to be arrested, as they do not have a UK address for a summons to be served!

arrested however then let go on bail and you never see them again!!!!

Think you'll find that they have to be kept in custody and taken straight to the earliest available court!

not all of them as many of them are bailed and asked to reported to the police station until the investigation is done yet they never report back!!! And even if they went to court then what happens to them..? Unless its a serious offence then even after court they are just let go with a slap on the wrist!!!

Think you'll find that they can only be bailed if they've got a suitable address where a summons could be served!

And a suitable address could be a house full of other nationals living who can't really be found if they/when they move on. With all due respect you are talking to someone whs been in the transport game for far too long and know all the issues regarding foreign drivers.

I had a Irish driver before who had an Irish driving licence and the client he was driving forwent mad as he was going through speed camaras which must have lit up the roads like Blackpool Pleasure Beach!!!! Yet the fine couldn't be put on his licence because he wasn't a British driver so the client had to cough up!!!

You're talking a different argument here, as you're now talking about points going on somebody's licence, as before, you were saying they couldn't be fined!

Under the scenario you've painted here, the boss would surely take any fines out of the employee's wages, unless he was soft in the head!

Not if the guy is agency and his wages has already been paid.

Sorry but you also get fined when going through a speed camara so there's no difference at all.

I had a Irish driver before who had an Irish driving licence and the client he was driving forwent mad as he was going through speed camaras which must have lit up the roads like Blackpool Pleasure Beach!!!! Yet the fine couldn't be put on his licence because he wasn't a British driver so the client had to cough up!!!

You're talking a different argument here, as you're now talking about points going on somebody's licence, as before, you were saying they couldn't be fined!

Under the scenario you've painted here, the boss would surely take any fines out of the employee's wages, unless he was soft in the head!

Not if the guy is agency and his wages has already been paid.

Sorry but you also get fined when going through a speed camara so there's no difference at all.

There is no perfect system and if you got caught speeding in Germany, you'd either have to pay an on the spot fine, or be arrested and taken to court as well, without receiving any points on your licence!

If the driver in your scenario was on your agency payroll and he refused to pay any fines, surely you'd not employ him/her anymore, unless you're soft in the head?

The guy gets paid on a weekly basis were as information about speeding comes through weeks down the line. You then mention it to the driver and all of a sudden you don't hear from him again.

Thats not soft in the head its just being realistic

The guy gets paid on a weekly basis were as information about speeding comes through weeks down the line. You then mention it to the driver and all of a sudden you don't hear from him again.

Thats not soft in the head its just being realistic

It's soft in the head if you continue to employ somebody who won't pay their fines, whenever you learn about them!

People not returning to work for an agency, when they hear that they've been caught transgressing and don't want to pay fines is a fact of life though, although I'm sure there's still a way of penalising them. Firstly by not employing them yourself, secondly by possibly passing their name to other agencies (Unless this breaches Data Protection or Human Rights laws), but thirdly by chasing them through small claims courts (Depending on their nationality obviously)!

The guy gets paid on a weekly basis were as information about speeding comes through weeks down the line. You then mention it to the driver and all of a sudden you don't hear from him again.

Thats not soft in the head its just being realistic

It's soft in the head if you continue to employ somebody who won't pay their fines, whenever you learn about them!

People not returning to work for an agency, when they hear that they've been caught transgressing and don't want to pay fines is a fact of life though, although I'm sure there's still a way of penalising them. Firstly by not employing them yourself, secondly by possibly passing their name to other agencies (Unless this breaches Data Protection or Human Rights laws), but thirdly by chasing them through small claims courts (Depending on their nationality obviously)!

Who said about continuing to employ them..?

Sorry OTM but you really don't understand what really goes on do you..? We will provide the contact details of the driver for the authorities to make their own enquires but its up to the driver whether or not he wants to play ball or not. It really boils down to the authorities weighing up the cost of chasing them compared to the cost of the fine at the end of the day.

Why have Peugot and Audi driver been singled out in this post ? Have I missed something ?

Why have Peugot and Audi driver been singled out in this post ? Have I missed something ?

Thats the first thing I thought because I've ordered an Audi so I'd like to know that one

The guy gets paid on a weekly basis were as information about speeding comes through weeks down the line. You then mention it to the driver and all of a sudden you don't hear from him again.

Thats not soft in the head its just being realistic

It's soft in the head if you continue to employ somebody who won't pay their fines, whenever you learn about them!

People not returning to work for an agency, when they hear that they've been caught transgressing and don't want to pay fines is a fact of life though, although I'm sure there's still a way of penalising them. Firstly by not employing them yourself, secondly by possibly passing their name to other agencies (Unless this breaches Data Protection or Human Rights laws), but thirdly by chasing them through small claims courts (Depending on their nationality obviously)!

Who said about continuing to employ them..?

You insinuated that you'd speak to the driver and then he/she would walk away, inferring that you'd still consider employing him/her, if he/she paid the fine(s)!

The guy gets paid on a weekly basis were as information about speeding comes through weeks down the line. You then mention it to the driver and all of a sudden you don't hear from him again.

The guy gets paid on a weekly basis were as information about speeding comes through weeks down the line. You then mention it to the driver and all of a sudden you don't hear from him again.

Thats not soft in the head its just being realistic

It's soft in the head if you continue to employ somebody who won't pay their fines, whenever you learn about them!

People not returning to work for an agency, when they hear that they've been caught transgressing and don't want to pay fines is a fact of life though, although I'm sure there's still a way of penalising them. Firstly by not employing them yourself, secondly by possibly passing their name to other agencies (Unless this breaches Data Protection or Human Rights laws), but thirdly by chasing them through small claims courts (Depending on their nationality obviously)!

Sorry OTM but you really don't understand what really goes on do you..? We will provide the contact details of the driver for the authorities to make their own enquires but its up to the driver whether or not he wants to play ball or not. It really boils down to the authorities weighing up the cost of chasing them compared to the cost of the fine at the end of the day.

Think you'll find that I do know what goes on, but you're going round in circles in this thread!

You started off slating foreign drivers, saying that the authorities can't fine them when clearly they can be arrested, taken to court and fined, then you go on to Irish drivers (who may or may not be UK citizens btw) and getting points put on licences!

As I said, there's no perfect system and foreign drivers don't get points on their licences, the same as we don't get points on our licences, if we transgress in other countries either!

I served for nearly 13 years in the Army, 10 of which were in Germany. I can remember many of my Army colleagues getting caught drink driving and getting banned from driving in Germany, but as soon as they crossed the German border, they could use their UK licence to drive any vehicle their UK licence entitled them to!

You could argue that this isn't fair either!