Genuine question for red "embracers"......

Genuine question, not a piss take. When you decided to accept the whole re-branding, how did it make you feel. Does acceptance make you feel better about the whole thing or is it still there in the back of the mind?

Over the last month or so I have done much soul searching about the whole thing and have been questioning my own feelings, whether I am being reasonable or not, does it really matter that much, should I just throw the towel in and go with the flow or should I continue to fight against it.

I want to know how other City fans genuinely feel about it deep down.

Cheers. Harold.

Does it honestly matter? People have made their desisions over the rebrand and its their choice whether they are for or against it

Edit: I know how you feel towards thinking over it and its a hard one but you just got to stick with your true feelings whether you agree with or not but just don't criticise others that have chosen a differnet stance to you

I just take it in, nothing I can do about it

I just take it in, nothing I can do about it

Pretty much this.

Does it honestly matter? People have made their desisions over the rebrand and its their choice whether they are for or against it

Edit: I know how you feel towards thinking over it and its a hard one but you just got to stick with your true feelings whether you agree with or not but just don't criticise others that have chosen a differnet stance to you

I'm just genuinely interested how people feel. I have taken the piss an criticised in the past, but It's been mostly tongue in cheek and trying to provoke a reaction, much like some "pro reds" (for want of a better word).

I'm just wondering if people can really just embrace it, or whether it's sort of suppressing how they feel deep down because they feel they are powerless to do anything about it.

I just take it in, nothing I can do about it

Pretty much this.

I respect BU for what they do but at the end of the day we don't have an ever lasting amount of money to help this club float. We aren't as hardcore as some fans in trying to take the club over with the trust. The British culture nowadays doesn't fight back, it's not our fault, we didn't fight back, it's just not in the British mind set to protest. We just let things lie
I'd love to see us back n blue but our rich benefactor has a vision and we can't deny it when he backs it up with his promises

I just take it in, nothing I can do about it

Pretty much this.

Reminds me of this famous prayer

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Does it honestly matter? People have made their desisions over the rebrand and its their choice whether they are for or against it

Edit: I know how you feel towards thinking over it and its a hard one but you just got to stick with your true feelings whether you agree with or not but just don't criticise others that have chosen a differnet stance to you

I'm just genuinely interested how people feel. I have taken the piss an criticised in the past, but It's been mostly tongue in cheek and trying to provoke a reaction, much like some "pro reds" (for want of a better word).

I'm just wondering if people can really just embrace it, or whether it's sort of suppressing how they feel deep down because they feel they are powerless to do anything about it.

Whilst buying red merchandise I do seem a hypocrite but I would like for us one day to return to blue but the issue isn't something that dictates my day to day life. I'd more or less stop going if I couldn't afford it or minimal interests from mates than anything.

I tried to embrace it, but couldn't, especially after scarf gate.

I just take it in, nothing I can do about it

Pretty much this.

Reminds me of this famous prayer

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Its all a little too late honestly. I would have been there a 100% if a protest had been formed a year ago but it wasnt. And as time went on I saw how much the dealings that came with the rebrand was needed. We were in massive debt, failing to reach the Prem year after year and honestly without VT I just felt it would end badly for us.

I despise the red as much as anyone but for the greater good and how much I love the City I just get on with it. I will never buy any of the red and I have been having conflicting emotions over whether to buy the blue shirt or not. But at the end of the day I want to watch my Club play that I grew up with at the end of the day

Sounds like your starting to see sense.Accept what's happened is for the good of Cardiff City and settle down to enjoy the season ahead.You'll feel much better for it.

None of my mates who support other clubs mainly big clubs has never really taken the piss as they actually will never know the feeling unless they were properly in love with the club.

I support any groups that want to fight for the Blue back but won't get involved as I would basically be on my own and wouldn't know anyone and it isn't worth the effort.

I will wear blue to games or wear anything else but won't be part of any group.

It is always in the back of my mind and you can't get away from it as it is debated everyday on here.

People like Chuckles will always fight his corner and other people will go against that.. it continues everyday with the debate and it shouldn't because he won't change his stance and other supporters won't change theirs.

I respect anyone's view on it and no other supporters choice as any impact on my choice as I will stick to what I believe is my choice and carry on supporting Cardiff City.

Only thing that bugs me is when people refer to themselves as a 'Pro Blue' yet still go to games and have a dig at the supposed 'Pro Reds' when the 'Pro Blue' is doing the same thing as the 'Pro Red' which is attend games.

I have accepted it, I would never say I'm pro red I highly doubt many are, what helped me accept was all the insults being thrown about soul sellers,plastics, glory hunters etc to anyone who just wants to support their team, there isn't any need for it. I genuinely believe if Tan didn't invest we would be like Portsmouth or Coventry, how the hell anyone could want Cardiff to end up like that just to play in blue is beyond me.
I'd love to see them back to Blue but my main aim is to watch Cardiff City play no matter the colour.

None of my mates who support other clubs mainly big clubs has never really taken the piss as they actually will never know the feeling unless they were properly in love with the club.

I support any groups that want to fight for the Blue back but won't get involved as I would basically be on my own and wouldn't know anyone and it isn't worth the effort.

I will wear blue to games or wear anything else but won't be part of any group.

It is always in the back of my mind and you can't get away from it as it is debated everyday on here.

People like Chuckles will always fight his corner and other people will go against that.. it continues everyday with the debate and it shouldn't because he won't change his stance and other supporters won't change theirs.

I respect anyone's view on it and no other supporters choice as any impact on my choice as I will stick to what I believe is my choice and carry on supporting Cardiff City.

Only thing that bugs me is when people refer to themselves as a 'Pro Blue' yet still go to games and have a dig at the supposed 'Pro Reds' when the 'Pro Blue' is doing the same thing as the 'Pro Red' which is attend games.

When people refer to pro reds, I would assume they mean those fans that actually wear red shirts etc. That would be the only difference really. And personally that has been the thing that I have found it hard to get my head around. I completely understand anyone that accepts the rebrand because they feel it is for the good of the club, I have never had any argument with that. What I have found hard to take is seeing our fans (not kids of course) wearing red. Of course that is their choice and I would never have a go at them, I'm not that sort of person. But you can accept the rebrand and keep going and not miss following the city, without effectively encouraging Tan. But the more fans that buy and wear red, the harder it's going to be to go back to blue, which is very hard to take.

Again, not having a go, we're all different, just trying to understand how people really feel.

I have accepted it, I would never say I'm pro red I highly doubt many are, what helped me accept was all the insults being thrown about soul sellers,plastics, glory hunters etc to anyone who just wants to support their team, there isn't any need for it. I genuinely believe if Tan didn't invest we would be like Portsmouth or Coventry, how the hell anyone could want Cardiff to end up like that just to play in blue is beyond me.
I'd love to see them back to Blue but my main aim is to watch Cardiff City play no matter the colour.

Thanks for the reply.

No one wants us to be another Coventry of course. We all want the best for our club. Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay, and I'm sure even the most pro re brander would understand the feelings of these fans.

Unfortunately the way things are going, a return to blue looks extremely unlikely. And the longer we play in red the harder it is going to be to ever go back.

I have accepted it, I would never say I'm pro red I highly doubt many are, what helped me accept was all the insults being thrown about soul sellers,plastics, glory hunters etc to anyone who just wants to support their team, there isn't any need for it. I genuinely believe if Tan didn't invest we would be like Portsmouth or Coventry, how the hell anyone could want Cardiff to end up like that just to play in blue is beyond me.
I'd love to see them back to Blue but my main aim is to watch Cardiff City play no matter the colour.

OMG - a sensible post

I think if the supporters were consulted about the change before it happened then more people 'may' have accepted it. The fact that there was no firm reasoning behind it and no solid evidence to support that such a change would be more beneficial for the club then people automatically went against such a change.

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Ok

This is my opinion.

I hate it, Cardiff City is Blue, simple as. We are the Bluebirds.

Having said that, everything is ok right now as despite the re brand people are lapping it up apart from 5% apparently everyone is accepting of the red. Great but lets remember that 5% of the current amount of season tickets sold is not far off what our home attendances were at one point not to far ago, also, its pretty hard to argue that the 5% is way higher.

I would also put a strong argument to say that the majority of hardcore supporters, those who have been there through thick and thin are Blue.

Ok, so in my opinion the best scenario for me personally would be for Mr Tan to sell the club to someone who would put the Club back to its true identity and natural colours.

The South Wales Public are so fickle that they will lap up the Red and drop it as quick as they picked it up so if things do go tits up where will that leave us if the club have alienated and driven away the heart of the club.

If we fall down the leagues what is going to happen? I know what I think but appreciate its all hypothetical.

Please don't fall into this bullshit trap of thinking Football is bigger than Rugby, its not, When Wales are doing good at Rugby they will sell out the Stadium, when they are not they wont, When Cardiff and Swansea are doing well at Football we will have big crowds we will sell out and when we are not we wont, that is the nature of the South Wales Public.

I have been to South Wales Derbys when the attendance was 6,000 or less, where was everyone????

Football is on the crest of a wave with two South Wales Premier League Sides? but at what cost to us, our identity by the looks of things. Have no doubt that if we get relegated after one season as many do, this waiting list will evaporate and our attendances will plumit, and guess what? if the welsh rugby team are doing well, they will all go there instead.

Yes if things were that bad we should have taken a hit and started again, look at AFC Wimbledon, Chester nearly back in the League and those clubs have a fraction of the support we could have.

Cardiff City FC - In Red is unsustainable, absolutely no doubt about it.

Ok

This is my opinion.

I hate it, Cardiff City is Blue, simple as. We are the Bluebirds.

Having said that, everything is ok right now as despite the re brand people are lapping it up apart from 5% apparently everyone is accepting of the red. Great but lets remember that 5% of the current amount of season tickets sold is not far off what our home attendances were at one point not to far ago, also, its pretty hard to argue that the 5% is way higher.

I would also put a strong argument to say that the majority of hardcore supporters, those who have been there through thick and thin are Blue.

Ok, so in my opinion the best scenario for me personally would be for Mr Tan to sell the club to someone who would put the Club back to its true identity and natural colours.

The South Wales Public are so fickle that they will lap up the Red and drop it as quick as they picked it up so if things do go tits up where will that leave us if the club have alienated and driven away the heart of the club.

If we fall down the leagues what is going to happen? I know what I think but appreciate its all hypothetical.

Please don't fall into this bullshit trap of thinking Football is bigger than Rugby, its not, When Wales are doing good at Rugby they will sell out the Stadium, when they are not they wont, When Cardiff and Swansea are doing well at Football we will have big crowds we will sell out and when we are not we wont, that is the nature of the South Wales Public.

I have been to South Wales Derbys when the attendance was 6,000 or less, where was everyone????

Football is on the crest of a wave with two South Wales Premier League Sides? but at what cost to us, our identity by the looks of things. Have no doubt that if we get relegated after one season as many do, this waiting list will evaporate and our attendances will plumit, and guess what? if the welsh rugby team are doing well, they will all go there instead.

Yes if things were that bad we should have taken a hit and started again, look at AFC Wimbledon, Chester nearly back in the League and those clubs have a fraction of the support we could have.

Cardiff City FC - In Red is unsustainable, absolutely no doubt about it.

Fantastic post!!!

My take on it is I don't care if they play in blue or red I support a football team not a fashion show.

I think if the supporters were consulted about the change before it happened then more people 'may' have accepted it. The fact that there was no firm reasoning behind it and no solid evidence to support that such a change would be more beneficial for the club then people automatically went against such a change.

Actually to be fair to the club they did send out an email about a year ago surveying the fans on what they thought of the re-brand. Unfortunately they have so far refused to publish the results. I think it would be fair to assume that the results were not what they had hoped for.

I think if the supporters were consulted about the change before it happened then more people 'may' have accepted it. The fact that there was no firm reasoning behind it and no solid evidence to support that such a change would be more beneficial for the club then people automatically went against such a change.

Actually to be fair to the club they did send out an email about a year ago surveying the fans on what they thought of the re-brand. Unfortunately they have so far refused to publish the results. I think it would be fair to assume that the results were not what they had hoped for.

That was way after it happened. Remember the photoshoot of the new colour actually took place before the end of the previous season!!!

My take on it is I don't care if they play in blue or red I support a football team not a fashion show.

Fair enough. The colour and badge is important to some and not to others. C'est la vie.

I think if the supporters were consulted about the change before it happened then more people 'may' have accepted it. The fact that there was no firm reasoning behind it and no solid evidence to support that such a change would be more beneficial for the club then people automatically went against such a change.

Actually to be fair to the club they did send out an email about a year ago surveying the fans on what they thought of the re-brand. Unfortunately they have so far refused to publish the results. I think it would be fair to assume that the results were not what they had hoped for.

That was way after it happened. Remember the photoshoot of the new colour actually took place before the end of the previous season!!!

Quite right MJ. It was all planned way ahead and there was never any chance that we would have any say whatsoever. Whatever you think of Vincent Tan he knows how to get what he wants.

I think if the supporters were consulted about the change before it happened then more people 'may' have accepted it. The fact that there was no firm reasoning behind it and no solid evidence to support that such a change would be more beneficial for the club then people automatically went against such a change.

Actually to be fair to the club they did send out an email about a year ago surveying the fans on what they thought of the re-brand. Unfortunately they have so far refused to publish the results. I think it would be fair to assume that the results were not what they had hoped for.

That was way after it happened. Remember the photoshoot of the new colour actually took place before the end of the previous season!!!

Quite right MJ. It was all planned way ahead and there was never any chance that we would have any say whatsoever. Whatever you think of Vincent Tan he knows how to get what he wants.

Its easy when you have lapdogs doing your work for you

I have accepted it, I would never say I'm pro red I highly doubt many are, what helped me accept was all the insults being thrown about soul sellers,plastics, glory hunters etc to anyone who just wants to support their team, there isn't any need for it. I genuinely believe if Tan didn't invest we would be like Portsmouth or Coventry, how the hell anyone could want Cardiff to end up like that just to play in blue is beyond me.
I'd love to see them back to Blue but my main aim is to watch Cardiff City play no matter the colour.

Thanks for the reply.

No one wants us to be another Coventry of course. We all want the best for our club. Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay, and I'm sure even the most pro re brander would understand the feelings of these fans.

Unfortunately the way things are going, a return to blue looks extremely unlikely. And the longer we play in red the harder it is going to be to ever go back.

Quote: "Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay"

A good post from you, fella, but it is this bit above that I am responding to:

If I am being honest, I fail to see where some of these people are coming from when the simple choices were "club or no club"

It is always easy to moan from a position of strength and the time for the mass protest was during last season when the changes were announced but that (as is well documented) failed to materialise as it should have. Instead, the vast majority of fans sat back and watched it happen because (in reality but with some exceptions) we didn't want the alternative, i.e. a Tan pull-out

This was further exacerbated by the scarf fiasco and IMHO no matter how much we say Tan was 'out of order' for doing it, the scarfs on offer were gobbled up well before kick-off on the evening of the Brighton game with some greedy people taking far more than their fair share (which should have been one only per person)

From that moment on IMHO the red was here to stay and it is far too late now to start thinking otherwise

Time to put it behind us, be grateful we have a team at all (never mind a Premier League one ) to support and get on with the job of supporting Malky and the boys (as I know most will)

More annoyed with the way it was done than the actual rebrand. The badge looks shit and we should have been consulted. I'm all for progress if done professionally and respectfully.

A red kit doesn't bother me although I'd rather be blue or even yellow before red.

Each to their own and rightly so. I draw the line at a name change and location. To me that's the most important and the life and soul of the club. The rest is corporate spin used to make money.

I have accepted it, I would never say I'm pro red I highly doubt many are, what helped me accept was all the insults being thrown about soul sellers,plastics, glory hunters etc to anyone who just wants to support their team, there isn't any need for it. I genuinely believe if Tan didn't invest we would be like Portsmouth or Coventry, how the hell anyone could want Cardiff to end up like that just to play in blue is beyond me.
I'd love to see them back to Blue but my main aim is to watch Cardiff City play no matter the colour.

Thanks for the reply.

No one wants us to be another Coventry of course. We all want the best for our club. Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay, and I'm sure even the most pro re brander would understand the feelings of these fans.

Unfortunately the way things are going, a return to blue looks extremely unlikely. And the longer we play in red the harder it is going to be to ever go back.

Quote: "Some fans just cannot accept the price we have had to pay"

A good post from you, fella, but it is this bit above that I am responding to:

If I am being honest, I fail to see where some of these people are coming from when the simple choices were "club or no club"

It is always easy to moan from a position of strength and the time for the mass protest was during last season when the changes were announced but that (as is well documented) failed to materialise as it should have. Instead, the vast majority of fans sat back and watched it happen because (in reality but with some exceptions) we didn't want the alternative, i.e. a Tan pull-out

This was further exacerbated by the scarf fiasco and IMHO no matter how much we say Tan was 'out of order' for doing it, the scarfs on offer were gobbled up well before kick-off on the evening of the Brighton game with some greedy people taking far more than their fair share (which should have been one only per person)

From that moment on IMHO the red was here to stay and it is far too late now to start thinking otherwise

Time to put it behind us, be grateful we have a team at all (never mind a Premier League one ) to support and get on with the job of supporting Malky and the boys (as I know most will)

The phrase "time to put it behind us" sums up the reason for my original post. Are people really happy to go with this or are they just as angry about it as others deep down, but choose to suppress those feelings because they feel they have no choice? Or is it plain apathy?

More annoyed with the way it was done than the actual rebrand. The badge looks shit and we should have been consulted. I'm all for progress if done professionally and respectfully.

A red kit doesn't bother me although I'd rather be blue or even yellow before red.

Each to their own and rightly so. I draw the line at a name change and location. To me that's the most important and the life and soul of the club. The rest is corporate spin used to make money.

Barnett, couldn't have said it better myself.