Sam Hammam may not be on the board but

I have a feeling this Filiou guy who has been appointed to the board is Sams representative. Come on the inner circle am I right? If so what a disaster for Cardiff City Football Club. Downhill from here - bookmark this

I have a feeling this Filiou guy who has been appointed to the board is Sams representative. Come on the inner circle am I right? If so what a disaster for Cardiff City Football Club. Downhill from here - bookmark this

Well maybe BU will get their wish, Sam back in charge (in whatever guise) and blue shirts return.

On the other hand maybe I'll win the lottery tonight?

9 against 1 in the boardroom, can't see him having his was

I agree its a disaster.

I have a feeling this Filiou guy who has been appointed to the board is Sams representative. Come on the inner circle am I right? If so what a disaster for Cardiff City Football Club. Downhill from here - bookmark this

rubbish.
The future looks bright for Cardiff City.

Well maybe BU will get their wish, Sam back in charge (in whatever guise) and blue shirts return.

Well, that's not their wish...

I have a feeling this Filiou guy who has been appointed to the board is Sams representative. Come on the inner circle am I right? If so what a disaster for Cardiff City Football Club. Downhill from here - bookmark this

rubbish.
The future looks bright for Cardiff City.

Like I said bookmark this thread and come back in say 2 years time and see if you feel the same

Well maybe BU will get their wish, Sam back in charge (in whatever guise) and blue shirts return.

Well, that's not their wish...

Ok jobsworth: 'Well maybe BU will get their wish of blue shirts returning if Sam has any influence!'

I have a feeling this Filiou guy who has been appointed to the board is Sams representative. Come on the inner circle am I right? If so what a disaster for Cardiff City Football Club. Downhill from here - bookmark this

rubbish.
The future looks bright for Cardiff City.

Like I said bookmark this thread and come back in say 2 years time and see if you feel the same

Sams been payed off and given a meaningless roll.

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Well maybe BU will get their wish, Sam back in charge (in whatever guise) and blue shirts return.

Well, that's not their wish...

Ok jobsworth: 'Well maybe BU will get their wish of blue shirts returning if Sam has any influence!'

Jobs worth? You made an erroneous assumption regarding BU, so I corrected you.

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Far from sure I agree that Sam was "canny" in the transfer market for us. He tended to bribe players to come here with overinflated transfer fees (leading to big losses when we sold them - e.g Thorne and Kavanagh) and overinflated salaries (the same two plus the likes of Capaldi and Feeney , journeymen who had their salaries tripled from their previous clubs).

As for his contacts , I believe these are now long lost in the past and out of date compared to the likes of Malky who has far more current and influential contacts. We also have an experienced professional in Ian Moody to provide the required input into contractual legal matters when it comes to negotiating with and signing players.

So without getting into arguments about Sam as a personality , I see no meaningful contribution he can make to the club in any role and am happy that he appears to have just been given (or re-given if you remember that Ridsdale gave him a Life President role 7 years ago when he ousted him) just a token title of appeasement in exchange for reducing a debt due by the club - if the figures being suggested by Mediawales etc are correct).

Keith

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

That is not the full story. Firstly there was the academy which was established under SH which produced £20m worth of talent which saved our arse under the Ridsdale years.

Then there was Peter Whittingham for £350k (please don't tell me he wasn't a bargain) and Danny Gabbidon as examples of excellent buys which came about because of SH's influence.

That's before you mention the gems he unearthed at Wimbledon.

The Loan Notes are a financial matter and I made it clear I don't support him being in the boardroom. However, if he is in an advisory role with regard to player recruitment then I have no problem with that as any edge in the PL could be the difference between success and failure.

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Far from sure I agree that Sam was "canny" in the transfer market for us. He tended to bribe players to come here with overinflated transfer fees (leading to big losses when we sold them - e.g Thorne and Kavanagh) and overinflated salaries (the same two plus the likes of Capaldi and Feeney , journeymen who had their salaries tripled from their previous clubs).

As for his contacts , I believe these are now long lost in the past and out of date compared to the likes of Malky who has far more current and influential contacts. We also have an experienced professional in Ian Moody to provide the required input into contractual legal matters when it comes to negotiating with and signing players.

So without getting into arguments about Sam as a personality , I see no meaningful contribution he can make to the club in any role and am happy that he appears to have just been given (or re-given if you remember that Ridsdale gave him a Life President role 7 years ago when he ousted him) just a token title of appeasement in exchange for reducing a debt due by the club - if the figures being suggested by Mediawales etc are correct).

Keith

Again you are being selective. Peter Whittingham surely that is an excellent example? Thorne and Kavanagh both gave this club excellent service and are still regarded as City greats

I accept it is a game of opinions but SH has only been out of football for 7 years, that's not exactly a generation and he is bound to still have contacts in the game they can't all be 'dead' . After all Joe Kinnear (one of Sam's ex-managers) has been brought back to do the exact same thing at Newcastle.

There again if you want to be bloody minded then go ahead can't see how it will help thou.

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

We've done we'll enough recently without Sam's transfer "acumen" to give me the confidence that we can do without it.

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

Look at the players he found at Wimbledon when they were a Premiership team: Warren Barton, Kenny Cunningham, Robbie Earle, John Scales, Marcus Gayle, Dean Holdsworth, John Faushau and Jason Euell.

Remember we are now in the PL and have to find players who will keep us there. It is a completely different game now and if he can help us get players similar to the ones above, then I'm all for it.

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

Look at the players he found at Wimbledon when they were a Premiership team: Warren Barton, Kenny Cunningham, Robbie Earle, John Scales, Marcus Gayle, Dean Holdsworth, John Faushau and Jason Euell.

Remember we are now in the PL and have to find players who will keep us there. It is a completely different game now and if he can help us get players similar to the ones above, then I'm all for it.

Sorry Tony but that was 20-25 years ago. Completely different game doesnt do it justice. Different planet would be more apt.

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

That is not the full story. Firstly there was the academy which was established under SH which produced £20m worth of talent which saved our arse under the Ridsdale years.

Then there was Peter Whittingham for £350k (please don't tell me he wasn't a bargain) and Danny Gabbidon as examples of excellent buys which came about because of SH's influence.

That's before you mention the gems he unearthed at Wimbledon.

The Loan Notes are a financial matter and I made it clear I don't support him being in the boardroom. However, if he is in an advisory role with regard to player recruitment then I have no problem with that as any edge in the PL could be the difference between success and failure.

Yes it produced £20 million worth of talent, and Sam's financial miss management resulted in a fire sale when he left us high and dry, players were actually in tears leaving the club including our captain at the time Graham Kavanagh. The club lost its base of talent and Sam walked away with £500,000 in his pocket and £90,000 for his brother and left the cub saddled with a £24 million debt to Langstone/Sam. He didn't give two fucks for the club its players or its fans at the time all he has ever been worried about is getting his wallet refilled off the backs of Cardiff City supporters. Who appointed Ridsdale by the way? Sam did - say no more. Sorry Tony you may not have a problem with Sam being appointed as life President but I as a fan of 49 years standing, among thousands of others no doubt, do have a problem with it and I for one will be voicing my displeasure at the Manchester City game when Sam parks his arse on a seat in the directors box .

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

We've done we'll enough recently without Sam's transfer "acumen" to give me the confidence that we can do without it.

But he can unearth players from non league to keep us in the prem apparently

Makes you wonder why he didnt do that when we were in the 4th / 3rd / 2nd tier and saved us a small fortune and a black cloud hanging over pur head for 7 years.

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

We've done we'll enough recently without Sam's transfer "acumen" to give me the confidence that we can do without it.

But he can unearth players from non league to keep us in the prem apparently

Makes you wonder why he didnt do that when we were in the 4th / 3rd / 2nd tier and saved us a small fortune and a black cloud hanging over pur head for 7 years.

That wasn't a black cloud, that was sam's eyebrows

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Far from sure I agree that Sam was "canny" in the transfer market for us. He tended to bribe players to come here with overinflated transfer fees (leading to big losses when we sold them - e.g Thorne and Kavanagh) and overinflated salaries (the same two plus the likes of Capaldi and Feeney , journeymen who had their salaries tripled from their previous clubs).

As for his contacts , I believe these are now long lost in the past and out of date compared to the likes of Malky who has far more current and influential contacts. We also have an experienced professional in Ian Moody to provide the required input into contractual legal matters when it comes to negotiating with and signing players.

So without getting into arguments about Sam as a personality , I see no meaningful contribution he can make to the club in any role and am happy that he appears to have just been given (or re-given if you remember that Ridsdale gave him a Life President role 7 years ago when he ousted him) just a token title of appeasement in exchange for reducing a debt due by the club - if the figures being suggested by Mediawales etc are correct).

Keith

Again you are being selective. Peter Whittingham surely that is an excellent example? Thorne and Kavanagh both gave this club excellent service and are still regarded as City greats

I accept it is a game of opinions but SH has only been out of football for 7 years, that's not exactly a generation and he is bound to still have contacts in the game they can't all be 'dead' . After all Joe Kinnear (one of Sam's ex-managers) has been brought back to do the exact same thing at Newcastle.

There again if you want to be bloody minded then go ahead can't see how it will help thou.

Tony

I really wasn`t trying to be "bloody minded" , just pointing out examples of where Sam`s claimed transfer acumen actually cost the club a lot of money in both excessive transfer fees and excessive salaries. Kavanagh and Thorne did give the club good service and I admired them as players. But they were hired on the basis of Sam paying well over the odds for them and were sold at a big loss compared to what they cost us. I gave other examples of less high profile , but still very costly signings that he made which far outweighed some good deals such as the Peter Whittingham one you refer to.
How many signings that Sam made did we actually go on to make a profit on?
The game of football has moved on hugely in the last 7 years since Sam was involved and I would suggest that his contacts in the game were waning anyway long before he left. For all his faults (and there is a bloody long list of them) , Peter Ridsdale had more contacts in the game during his time with us because of his prior involvement in FA Council etc.

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

That is not the full story. Firstly there was the academy which was established under SH which produced £20m worth of talent which saved our arse under the Ridsdale years.

Then there was Peter Whittingham for £350k (please don't tell me he wasn't a bargain) and Danny Gabbidon as examples of excellent buys which came about because of SH's influence.

That's before you mention the gems he unearthed at Wimbledon.

The Loan Notes are a financial matter and I made it clear I don't support him being in the boardroom. However, if he is in an advisory role with regard to player recruitment then I have no problem with that as any edge in the PL could be the difference between success and failure.

I agree entirely that Sam was instrumental in moving the Academy forward for the benefit of the club.

What I have never seen is any support for this claimed £20m of benefit for the club from it. I believe the figure was first raised by Annis after one of his meetings with Sam , but don`t recall seeing any list of players that were brought into the club by Sam through the Academy (i.e. weren`t already here) and sold on for such a total profit.
To be fair , it might just be my memory letting me down on this , so I am quite happy to change my view if such a list is produced.

Surely Tony Brown Williams isn't using Kinnear as a GOOD example?!

heard it all now.

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

Look at the players he found at Wimbledon when they were a Premiership team: Warren Barton, Kenny Cunningham, Robbie Earle, John Scales, Marcus Gayle, Dean Holdsworth, John Faushau and Jason Euell.

Remember we are now in the PL and have to find players who will keep us there. It is a completely different game now and if he can help us get players similar to the ones above, then I'm all for it.

Of the players you listed only one came through the 'famous academy' at Wimbledon, Jason Euell.
Apart from Warren Barton who they bought from Non-League, all the others were already established
Football League players. Incidentally, what evidence do you have that Hammam ''found'' any of them.
If Cornelius turns out to be a World star nobody is going to turn round in ten years and say he was
discovered by Vincent Tan are they? Where is the evidence that Sam Hammam ''found'' Whittingham,
Prior, Gordon, Gabbidon, Kavanagh, Thorne. The only thing we know for sure is that he generally
paid players three times more than they were worth, oh, and Cardiff City nearly went bust while
he was doing it

Sams "Transfer accumen"

Whats that? Adding a zero or two on the end of everyones transfer value and salary

Look at the players he found at Wimbledon when they were a Premiership team: Warren Barton, Kenny Cunningham, Robbie Earle, John Scales, Marcus Gayle, Dean Holdsworth, John Faushau and Jason Euell.

Remember we are now in the PL and have to find players who will keep us there. It is a completely different game now and if he can help us get players similar to the ones above, then I'm all for it.

How earth can help he attract players to stay there?? He hasn't been involved in the game since 2006

Players he found?? I am sure Bobby Gould, Dave Bassett would have somthing to say about that

We hardly saw any of that at CCFC....oh wait he gave us Malvin Kamara & Nick McCoy all from the famous Wimbledon academy

All this crap about £20m with of talent through the academy.... only Gunter, Ledley & Ramsey emerged through the academy Cameron Jerome came on the recommendation of Paul Wilkinson

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

That is not the full story. Firstly there was the academy which was established under SH which produced £20m worth of talent which saved our arse under the Ridsdale years.

Then there was Peter Whittingham for £350k (please don't tell me he wasn't a bargain) and Danny Gabbidon as examples of excellent buys which came about because of SH's influence.

That's before you mention the gems he unearthed at Wimbledon.

The Loan Notes are a financial matter and I made it clear I don't support him being in the boardroom. However, if he is in an advisory role with regard to player recruitment then I have no problem with that as any edge in the PL could be the difference between success and failure.

I agree entirely that Sam was instrumental in moving the Academy forward for the benefit of the club.

What I have never seen is any support for this claimed £20m of benefit for the club from it. I believe the figure was first raised by Annis after one of his meetings with Sam , but don`t recall seeing any list of players that were brought into the club by Sam through the Academy (i.e. weren`t already here) and sold on for such a total profit.
To be fair , it might just be my memory letting me down on this , so I am quite happy to change my view if such a list is produced.

Whittingham.......?????????

He was signed in January 2007, 2 months after Hamman left

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

That is not the full story. Firstly there was the academy which was established under SH which produced £20m worth of talent which saved our arse under the Ridsdale years.

Then there was Peter Whittingham for £350k (please don't tell me he wasn't a bargain) and Danny Gabbidon as examples of excellent buys which came about because of SH's influence.

That's before you mention the gems he unearthed at Wimbledon.

The Loan Notes are a financial matter and I made it clear I don't support him being in the boardroom. However, if he is in an advisory role with regard to player recruitment then I have no problem with that as any edge in the PL could be the difference between success and failure.

I agree entirely that Sam was instrumental in moving the Academy forward for the benefit of the club.

What I have never seen is any support for this claimed £20m of benefit for the club from it. I believe the figure was first raised by Annis after one of his meetings with Sam , but don`t recall seeing any list of players that were brought into the club by Sam through the Academy (i.e. weren`t already here) and sold on for such a total profit.
To be fair , it might just be my memory letting me down on this , so I am quite happy to change my view if such a list is produced.

Whittingham.......?????????

He was signed in January 2007, 2 months after Hamman left

Sam has no boardroom role or influence I am 100% sure of that. However, he was very canny in the transfer market and is bound to have contacts in the game.

We have seen MM struggle to attract players this season so I cannot see any reason why we shouldn't use every possible edge to help us thrive in the Premier League.

If that means using Sam Hammam's transfer (rather than financial) acumen then we would be bloody minded not to do so,

Not canny just fecking stupid paying over inflated transfer fees and wages for average players with money he borrowed on an unsecured loan. I would hardly call that canny . Other clubs, agents and players were rubbing their hands when he called. I hope to god he has zero influence over incoming players transfer fees and wages. One thing for sure he's not going to get a very good welcome from the fans at the Manchester City game. His appointment to life president could turn out to be very divisive

That is not the full story. Firstly there was the academy which was established under SH which produced £20m worth of talent which saved our arse under the Ridsdale years.

Then there was Peter Whittingham for £350k (please don't tell me he wasn't a bargain) and Danny Gabbidon as examples of excellent buys which came about because of SH's influence.

That's before you mention the gems he unearthed at Wimbledon.

The Loan Notes are a financial matter and I made it clear I don't support him being in the boardroom. However, if he is in an advisory role with regard to player recruitment then I have no problem with that as any edge in the PL could be the difference between success and failure.

I agree entirely that Sam was instrumental in moving the Academy forward for the benefit of the club.

What I have never seen is any support for this claimed £20m of benefit for the club from it. I believe the figure was first raised by Annis after one of his meetings with Sam , but don`t recall seeing any list of players that were brought into the club by Sam through the Academy (i.e. weren`t already here) and sold on for such a total profit.
To be fair , it might just be my memory letting me down on this , so I am quite happy to change my view if such a list is produced.

Whittingham.......?????????

He was signed in January 2007, 2 months after Hamman left

Thank you. I've been meaning to say that all day!