Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:35 pm
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:38 pm
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:42 pm
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:44 pm
bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:45 pm
llandaffbluebird1 wrote:No. He will want big wages and is a poacher and we already have two of those. With the wages and money we'd spend on him we could get a defender instead - a position that is needs to be strengthened.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:49 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
He's a proven goal scorer? Every where he has been.
Has bags of experience and would score us goals. Wages should'nt be that much of a problem in my eyes.
If we signed him he would play his heart out, for the chance to play in next years world cup, so I would see him giving everything.
Just my opinion.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:51 pm
bakerbluebird wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
He's a proven goal scorer? Every where he has been.
Has bags of experience and would score us goals. Wages should'nt be that much of a problem in my eyes.
If we signed him he would play his heart out, for the chance to play in next years world cup, so I would see him giving everything.
Just my opinion.
Fair enough mate, you're entitled to your opinion!
Personally I just don't see how he will help us improve on what we already have.
However, according to some sources a month or so ago, Malky wanted Bent to move to Cardiff but he declined that and said he wanted to stay in London so Malky turned his attention elsewhere
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:01 pm
bakerbluebird wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
He's a proven goal scorer? Every where he has been.
Has bags of experience and would score us goals. Wages should'nt be that much of a problem in my eyes.
If we signed him he would play his heart out, for the chance to play in next years world cup, so I would see him giving everything.
Just my opinion.
Fair enough mate, you're entitled to your opinion!
Personally I just don't see how he will help us improve on what we already have.
However, according to some sources a month or so ago, Malky wanted Bent to move to Cardiff but he declined that and said he wanted to stay in London so Malky turned his attention elsewhere
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:03 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
He's a proven goal scorer? Every where he has been.
Has bags of experience and would score us goals. Wages should'nt be that much of a problem in my eyes.
If we signed him he would play his heart out, for the chance to play in next years world cup, so I would see him giving everything.
Just my opinion.
Fair enough mate, you're entitled to your opinion!
Personally I just don't see how he will help us improve on what we already have.
However, according to some sources a month or so ago, Malky wanted Bent to move to Cardiff but he declined that and said he wanted to stay in London so Malky turned his attention elsewhere
As are you entitled to yours mate.
I think he would improve us, as he would be the only proven striker we would have. Granted our strikers are young and hungry, Bent is what 29? so he isn't past it.
Think that it was Carlton Cole that wanted to stay in London not sure though?
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:03 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:llandaffbluebird1 wrote:No. He will want big wages and is a poacher and we already have two of those. With the wages and money we'd spend on him we could get a defender instead - a position that is needs to be strengthened.
We have two of those.
1 is unproven, the other has had plenty of chances, i do believe that Campbell will get us some goals, but i just think we need a proven goal scorer.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:06 pm
bakerbluebird wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
He's a proven goal scorer? Every where he has been.
Has bags of experience and would score us goals. Wages should'nt be that much of a problem in my eyes.
If we signed him he would play his heart out, for the chance to play in next years world cup, so I would see him giving everything.
Just my opinion.
Fair enough mate, you're entitled to your opinion!
Personally I just don't see how he will help us improve on what we already have.
However, according to some sources a month or so ago, Malky wanted Bent to move to Cardiff but he declined that and said he wanted to stay in London so Malky turned his attention elsewhere
As are you entitled to yours mate.
I think he would improve us, as he would be the only proven striker we would have. Granted our strikers are young and hungry, Bent is what 29? so he isn't past it.
Think that it was Carlton Cole that wanted to stay in London not sure though?
Oh right, If it was Carlton Cole then that's my bad for not recognising the difference haha![]()
I can see your reasoning behind wanting Bent... Premiership experience, proven in the top flight and has a few English caps... However, I feel someone faster and a better ball controller would do us better as Campbell, Bent & Cornelius all come across as the same type of player. We need another Maynard style player with experience in the top flight around the globe... Perhaps offer a few million for some up and coming striker from some of the best teams around the globe .. Luuk De Jong, Lacina Traore, Mattia Destro, Erick Torres, Jordan Ayew, Luc Castagnios.... etc
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:10 pm
bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:16 pm
Jollffe wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
Proven goalscorer who has 21 goals in 54 Premier League games for his current club, and that includes last season's string of substitute appearances due to the fact Villa weren't willing to pay the add-on fees to Sunderland.
In footballing terms, he's exactly what we need up front.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:30 pm
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:37 pm
G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:40 pm
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:42 pm
Woody CCFC wrote:I'd be over the moon if we signed him, just what we need plenty of prem. experience, should still have plenty in the tank, unlike somebody like Zamora who has been mentioned as a possible signing.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:54 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:04 pm
G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Aye, we created those in the Championship. The Prem is a whole different level. Why didn't Villa turn to him at all when they were in a relegation battle last season? Sure they had Benteke, but if Bent is as good as you claim he is then surely he'd have got a lot more playing time rather than being stuck on the bench all the time.
I never said anything about spending money on unproven players, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's what clubs in our position have to do. Almost all established Prem players are already playing for established Prem clubs, that's why the lower teams have to look for players that haven't been given a chance in the top league. They're a lot cheaper, and they're actually realistic targets.
The thing that speaks volumes about Bent however, is that no clubs other than Newcastle appear to be interested in him. And when you consider the trouble at Newcastle right now with the likes of Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear calling the shots, that's hardly an encouraging link.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:11 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Aye, we created those in the Championship. The Prem is a whole different level. Why didn't Villa turn to him at all when they were in a relegation battle last season? Sure they had Benteke, but if Bent is as good as you claim he is then surely he'd have got a lot more playing time rather than being stuck on the bench all the time.
I never said anything about spending money on unproven players, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's what clubs in our position have to do. Almost all established Prem players are already playing for established Prem clubs, that's why the lower teams have to look for players that haven't been given a chance in the top league. They're a lot cheaper, and they're actually realistic targets.
The thing that speaks volumes about Bent however, is that no clubs other than Newcastle appear to be interested in him. And when you consider the trouble at Newcastle right now with the likes of Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear calling the shots, that's hardly an encouraging link.
If the prem is a whole different level then surely you want prem experience I.e BENT?
Villa didn't turn to him as they didn't what to pay Sunderland his apperance fee add on. Simple.
If you think buying lower league players will help us then your deluded mate. We have a young talented squad, add to it with experienced players and we got a formula that may survive the prem.
My opinion.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:17 pm
llandaffbluebird1 wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Aye, we created those in the Championship. The Prem is a whole different level. Why didn't Villa turn to him at all when they were in a relegation battle last season? Sure they had Benteke, but if Bent is as good as you claim he is then surely he'd have got a lot more playing time rather than being stuck on the bench all the time.
I never said anything about spending money on unproven players, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's what clubs in our position have to do. Almost all established Prem players are already playing for established Prem clubs, that's why the lower teams have to look for players that haven't been given a chance in the top league. They're a lot cheaper, and they're actually realistic targets.
The thing that speaks volumes about Bent however, is that no clubs other than Newcastle appear to be interested in him. And when you consider the trouble at Newcastle right now with the likes of Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear calling the shots, that's hardly an encouraging link.
If the prem is a whole different level then surely you want prem experience I.e BENT?
Villa didn't turn to him as they didn't what to pay Sunderland his apperance fee add on. Simple.
If you think buying lower league players will help us then your deluded mate. We have a young talented squad, add to it with experienced players and we got a formula that may survive the prem.
My opinion.
Because it failed for Swansea, Norwich and VillaLike someone said up above, Bent offers nothing else to the team but scoring (Okay that is good but we need to create the chances) He is on about 60k a week, you think he'd take a pay-cut to come to a relegation favourite? No, we'd have to pay similar to that plus the 5m you said. Hes not worth the money.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:20 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Aye, we created those in the Championship. The Prem is a whole different level. Why didn't Villa turn to him at all when they were in a relegation battle last season? Sure they had Benteke, but if Bent is as good as you claim he is then surely he'd have got a lot more playing time rather than being stuck on the bench all the time.
I never said anything about spending money on unproven players, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's what clubs in our position have to do. Almost all established Prem players are already playing for established Prem clubs, that's why the lower teams have to look for players that haven't been given a chance in the top league. They're a lot cheaper, and they're actually realistic targets.
The thing that speaks volumes about Bent however, is that no clubs other than Newcastle appear to be interested in him. And when you consider the trouble at Newcastle right now with the likes of Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear calling the shots, that's hardly an encouraging link.
If the prem is a whole different level then surely you want prem experience I.e BENT?
Villa didn't turn to him as they didn't what to pay Sunderland his apperance fee add on. Simple.
If you think buying lower league players will help us then your deluded mate. We have a young talented squad, add to it with experienced players and we got a formula that may survive the prem.
My opinion.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:23 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:llandaffbluebird1 wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Aye, we created those in the Championship. The Prem is a whole different level. Why didn't Villa turn to him at all when they were in a relegation battle last season? Sure they had Benteke, but if Bent is as good as you claim he is then surely he'd have got a lot more playing time rather than being stuck on the bench all the time.
I never said anything about spending money on unproven players, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's what clubs in our position have to do. Almost all established Prem players are already playing for established Prem clubs, that's why the lower teams have to look for players that haven't been given a chance in the top league. They're a lot cheaper, and they're actually realistic targets.
The thing that speaks volumes about Bent however, is that no clubs other than Newcastle appear to be interested in him. And when you consider the trouble at Newcastle right now with the likes of Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear calling the shots, that's hardly an encouraging link.
If the prem is a whole different level then surely you want prem experience I.e BENT?
Villa didn't turn to him as they didn't what to pay Sunderland his apperance fee add on. Simple.
If you think buying lower league players will help us then your deluded mate. We have a young talented squad, add to it with experienced players and we got a formula that may survive the prem.
My opinion.
Because it failed for Swansea, Norwich and VillaLike someone said up above, Bent offers nothing else to the team but scoring (Okay that is good but we need to create the chances) He is on about 60k a week, you think he'd take a pay-cut to come to a relegation favourite? No, we'd have to pay similar to that plus the 5m you said. Hes not worth the money.
We have a strong championship winning side, we have the best from the lower league. add premiership quality and we will surivev simple.
And Tom Ince is qorth 8 mil and 30k a week? bollocks to that statement, he's a premier league player and has been for a while he has scored goals everywhere he's gone he would be worth the money.
Give me him over Oliveira anyday. Oh wait he's gone an joined Stoke.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:24 pm
G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:G3vans wrote:I disagree, Bent offers nothing in terms of link up play, It's like playing with 10 men sometimes. He'll put the ball in the net if you create chances for him, but we've hardly the most creative team, are we?
He's a luxury player, pure and simple. Very expensive and not what we need to be spending our money on.
We created 559 chances last year, hardly the least creative team going. He is far better than Nicky and Frazier.
So spending the money on unproven players is the best way to go about it? Then we truly are doomed.
Aye, we created those in the Championship. The Prem is a whole different level. Why didn't Villa turn to him at all when they were in a relegation battle last season? Sure they had Benteke, but if Bent is as good as you claim he is then surely he'd have got a lot more playing time rather than being stuck on the bench all the time.
I never said anything about spending money on unproven players, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's what clubs in our position have to do. Almost all established Prem players are already playing for established Prem clubs, that's why the lower teams have to look for players that haven't been given a chance in the top league. They're a lot cheaper, and they're actually realistic targets.
The thing that speaks volumes about Bent however, is that no clubs other than Newcastle appear to be interested in him. And when you consider the trouble at Newcastle right now with the likes of Mike Ashley and Joe Kinnear calling the shots, that's hardly an encouraging link.
If the prem is a whole different level then surely you want prem experience I.e BENT?
Villa didn't turn to him as they didn't what to pay Sunderland his apperance fee add on. Simple.
If you think buying lower league players will help us then your deluded mate. We have a young talented squad, add to it with experienced players and we got a formula that may survive the prem.
My opinion.
It is just opinions mate, so I think it's a little far that you're calling me deluded. As the poster above me has just said, it's worked fine for many other clubs. You've yet to give me a convincing argument that Bent would fit out system well or would represent any value.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:28 pm
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:34 pm
ScottCcfc27 wrote:Um there are other leagues that fit into the "lower league" fit. Just because we won the Championship doesn't mean that every other LL player is worse than what we've got.
For what it is worth, no, Ince was never worth 40k a week and 8m. Where did I say he was? We can't take the risk giving out 60k a week contracts to players, especially if we go back down.
Oliveria is a Target Man and Bent is a poacher, they are not comparable. I'd rather we didn't go for either of them, because we need quality in other areas.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:43 pm
llandaffbluebird1 wrote:ScottCcfc27 wrote:Um there are other leagues that fit into the "lower league" fit. Just because we won the Championship doesn't mean that every other LL player is worse than what we've got.
For what it is worth, no, Ince was never worth 40k a week and 8m. Where did I say he was? We can't take the risk giving out 60k a week contracts to players, especially if we go back down.
Oliveria is a Target Man and Bent is a poacher, they are not comparable. I'd rather we didn't go for either of them, because we need quality in other areas.
The point I making was that we won the second best division in Britain, so therefore our squad doesn't need improving from the lower leagues?
I didn't say you did but thats what we were willing to pay for him, why not do that on a experienced premier league goalscorer? who is better than we currently got?
Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:21 pm
bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:25 pm
TopCat CCFC wrote:bakerbluebird wrote:Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with that.
Bent isn't the type of player we need. He has passed his best, his wages would be crazy and to be honest we could do a lot better than him.
There are hundreds of strikers out there who could offer a lot to us. Malky goes for players who don't have big egos and players who could offer a lot to our club and I can't see Bent fitting that bill.
Agree with the above - Jordan Rhodes better option .
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