Sam in Cardiff today?

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

Something to eat maybe

I had a ciggar with him down the bay earlier

I had a ciggar with him down the bay earlier

I was the waiter who lit the cigar

I was the cigar!!

Somebody should tell him. Tan doesn't live in Cardiff

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

I really don't know if Sam was in Cardiff today but when I last spoke to him which was a week ago today, he told me he was flying into London last Sunday and flying back to Lebanon on Wednesday after having meetings planned on Monday and Tuesday.

Later this month we hope to meet up when he returns to London.

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

I really don't know if Sam was in Cardiff today but when I last spoke to him which was a week ago today, he told me he was flying into London last Sunday and flying back to Lebanon on Wednesday after having meetings planned on Monday and Tuesday.

Later this month we hope to meet up when he returns to London.

FFS Hate to be negative but hasnt listening to this bullshitting c**t caused you enough grief?
f**k him. We are Cardiff City fans, on this we have to be 100% behind Tan cos out of the two,
only hammam has tried to have Cardiff City wound up? Common sense, surely Tan is the lesser of the
two evils?.

But YES i confess, Sam would have tied the Ince deal up today... on £100k a week, a few sheeps testicles
and dont worry about the money - ""its not mine anyway - but shhhhhhhhhh"

Checking out Howells school

Checking out Howells school

I was the cigar!!

You were a nice smoke as well mate

I was the ashtray Ah well a jobs a job in these tough times

I really hope he comes back!! Be great to welcome back the same bell end who tried to run us of existence - scum.

What is wrong with people, f*cking ball bag

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

I really don't know if Sam was in Cardiff today but when I last spoke to him which was a week ago today, he told me he was flying into London last Sunday and flying back to Lebanon on Wednesday after having meetings planned on Monday and Tuesday.

Later this month we hope to meet up when he returns to London.

ffs is he not making you look like a prick too often,and yet you still hang on every word f*cking unbelievable

I was the cigar!!

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

If you mean the person who was eating in woodies yesterday, it was a Sam lookalike, think he also appears on the TV, or so the wife said.

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

I really don't know if Sam was in Cardiff today but when I last spoke to him which was a week ago today, he told me he was flying into London last Sunday and flying back to Lebanon on Wednesday after having meetings planned on Monday and Tuesday.

Later this month we hope to meet up when he returns to London.

ffs is he not making you look like a prick too often,and yet you still hang on every word f*cking unbelievable

Have you any evidence that Sam's recent travel plans are bogus What a silly reply to Carl

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

I really don't know if Sam was in Cardiff today but when I last spoke to him which was a week ago today, he told me he was flying into London last Sunday and flying back to Lebanon on Wednesday after having meetings planned on Monday and Tuesday.

Later this month we hope to meet up when he returns to London.

ffs is he not making you look like a prick too often,and yet you still hang on every word f*cking unbelievable

What is your problem?

Decent sounding rumour that he was down Bay earlier today. If true must mean negotiations coming to a head. Anyone got inside info on this one?

I really don't know if Sam was in Cardiff today but when I last spoke to him which was a week ago today, he told me he was flying into London last Sunday and flying back to Lebanon on Wednesday after having meetings planned on Monday and Tuesday.

Later this month we hope to meet up when he returns to London.

ffs is he not making you look like a prick too often,and yet you still hang on every word f*cking unbelievable

What is your problem?

There are a few on this forum like this Ian.

I was explaining that I don't think Sam was in Cardiff.

He was in Cardiff and he was down the bay

I blame the heat

I blame the "inner circle "

Just out of curiosity, where do the "Sam-Slayers" think this club would be right now if he hadn't picked up the reins back in 2000? I'm not saying that I believe he doesn't deserve criticism, or isn't responsible for some awful financial mismanagement, but surely he played a massive part in elevating us to where we find ourselves today?

Just out of curiosity, where do the "Sam-Slayers" think this club would be right now if he hadn't picked up the reins back in 2000? I'm not saying that I believe he doesn't deserve criticism, or isn't responsible for some awful financial mismanagement, but surely he played a massive part in elevating us to where we find ourselves today?

Simple:

How can you speculate that nobody else would have come in around that time with their own money and their
own visions. We dont know. We never will know. So lets put what Sam did into some sort of context. Lets try
putting an honest man in charge at that time instead of Hammam

He TELLS the fans that every penny he's spending is by way of a loan against the Club - at 7% interest. He then
buys Spencer Prior and pays him treble what he's worth. He buys Fortune West and pays him five/six times more
than he could ever have dreamed of. He starts buying in Million pound players left right and centre. The debt
continues to rise, but the team fails to gain promotion (imagine this board back then, it would have gone into
meltdown and there would have been protest marches to ''get this imbecile out'' The new owner is even paying
himself £500k a year ''consultancy fees'' and adding to the debt. But he's being honest about it. He's not hiding
the fact. We all know whats happening. That defeat to Stoke in the Play-offs would have caused a riot.
So its safe to say (is it not) that had Sam Hammam been up front about his underhand dealings, he would NEVER
have reached hero status. Even the Ground? We would have been going f*cking nuclear HOW DOES THE FUCKER
EXPECT TO PAY FOR THIS? . The facts are, had Sam Hammam been up front about where he was getting the
money to fund the ''dream'' - If he hadnt (oh so cleverly) befriended certain fans... he would have been hounded
out. My answer to ANYONE saying "oh we'd never have got so far without him is this... "prove it!!
Because i can prove he lied about where the money came from, i can prove he said he'd ''never leave us in debt''
I can prove he took Cardiff City to the High Court for a judgement that could have seen the Club fold.
Everything he did at Cardiff City, all the friendships he made were built on lies - unless he told his inner-circle
that he was digging a huge f*cking hole for Cardiff City, but for them not to tell anyone - which we know he
never.

Just out of curiosity, where do the "Sam-Slayers" think this club would be right now if he hadn't picked up the reins back in 2000? I'm not saying that I believe he doesn't deserve criticism, or isn't responsible for some awful financial mismanagement, but surely he played a massive part in elevating us to where we find ourselves today?

Simple:

How can you speculate that nobody else would have come in around that time with their own money and their
own visions. We dont know. We never will know. So lets put what Sam did into some sort of context. Lets try
putting an honest man in charge at that time instead of Hammam

Same could be said for the latest regime

He TELLS the fans that every penny he's spending is by way of a loan against the Club - at 7% interest. He then
buys Spencer Prior and pays him treble what he's worth. He buys Fortune West and pays him five/six times more
than he could ever have dreamed of. He starts buying in Million pound players left right and centre. The debt
continues to rise, but the team fails to gain promotion (imagine this board back then, it would have gone into
meltdown and there would have been protest marches to ''get this imbecile out'' The new owner is even paying
himself £500k a year ''consultancy fees'' and adding to the debt. But he's being honest about it. He's not hiding
the fact. We all know whats happening. That defeat to Stoke in the Play-offs would have caused a riot.
So its safe to say (is it not) that had Sam Hammam been up front about his underhand dealings, he would NEVER
have reached hero status. Even the Ground? We would have been going f*cking nuclear HOW DOES THE FUCKER
EXPECT TO PAY FOR THIS? . The facts are, had Sam Hammam been up front about where he was getting the
money to fund the ''dream'' - If he hadnt (oh so cleverly) befriended certain fans... he would have been hounded
out. My answer to ANYONE saying "oh we'd never have got so far without him is this... "prove it!!
Because i can prove he lied about where the money came from, i can prove he said he'd ''never leave us in debt''
I can prove he took Cardiff City to the High Court for a judgement that could have seen the Club fold.
Everything he did at Cardiff City, all the friendships he made were built on lies - unless he told his inner-circle
that he was digging a huge f*cking hole for Cardiff City, but for them not to tell anyone - which we know he
never.

The Fold bit I will question you on. Langston said if they won summary judgement they would not put the club into admin. It was the club that said it would put us into admin if they lost the judgement. Basically Langston wanted back control of the club. Us folding would have been the decision of the club NOT SAM at that time.

Just out of curiosity, where do the "Sam-Slayers" think this club would be right now if he hadn't picked up the reins back in 2000? I'm not saying that I believe he doesn't deserve criticism, or isn't responsible for some awful financial mismanagement, but surely he played a massive part in elevating us to where we find ourselves today?

Simple:

How can you speculate that nobody else would have come in around that time with their own money and their
own visions. We dont know. We never will know. So lets put what Sam did into some sort of context. Lets try
putting an honest man in charge at that time instead of Hammam

Same could be said for the latest regime

He TELLS the fans that every penny he's spending is by way of a loan against the Club - at 7% interest. He then
buys Spencer Prior and pays him treble what he's worth. He buys Fortune West and pays him five/six times more
than he could ever have dreamed of. He starts buying in Million pound players left right and centre. The debt
continues to rise, but the team fails to gain promotion (imagine this board back then, it would have gone into
meltdown and there would have been protest marches to ''get this imbecile out'' The new owner is even paying
himself £500k a year ''consultancy fees'' and adding to the debt. But he's being honest about it. He's not hiding
the fact. We all know whats happening. That defeat to Stoke in the Play-offs would have caused a riot.
So its safe to say (is it not) that had Sam Hammam been up front about his underhand dealings, he would NEVER
have reached hero status. Even the Ground? We would have been going f*cking nuclear HOW DOES THE FUCKER
EXPECT TO PAY FOR THIS? . The facts are, had Sam Hammam been up front about where he was getting the
money to fund the ''dream'' - If he hadnt (oh so cleverly) befriended certain fans... he would have been hounded
out. My answer to ANYONE saying "oh we'd never have got so far without him is this... "prove it!!
Because i can prove he lied about where the money came from, i can prove he said he'd ''never leave us in debt''
I can prove he took Cardiff City to the High Court for a judgement that could have seen the Club fold.
Everything he did at Cardiff City, all the friendships he made were built on lies - unless he told his inner-circle
that he was digging a huge f*cking hole for Cardiff City, but for them not to tell anyone - which we know he
never.

The Fold bit I will question you on. Langston said if they won summary judgement they would not put the club into admin. It was the club that said it would put us into admin if they lost the judgement. Basically Langston wanted back control of the club. Us folding would have been the decision of the club NOT SAM at that time.

Lets (for now) ignore the ''fold'' bit - its an easy one to shoot down. But not actually relevant.

Do YOU think Sam Hammam would have had the undying love and adoration of the fans had he said from
day one he was mortgaging Cardiff City up to the hilt. and either way, do you think it was just a mistake?
Do you think he just ''forgot'' to tell us.... Bearing in mind of course that he told us something TOTALLY
different. DO YOU THINK HE WAS LYING TO HIS OWN FRIENDS FOR YEARS?

I personally feel Sam got himself into a corner.

There are too many missing pieces to have a complete picture. Pieces I very doubt we will find. From the ones we have Sam comes over as a chairman that misled us. There is no doubting he said he would leave us with no debt so yes people are right to believe he lied to us. However circumstances change and specially in a business world.

Although I cannot say this for sure but I get the impression Sam was making enemies within the club and local authorities well before he left. If I was in his shoes I would start securing the money I had lent even to the fact I was going against a promise. The last thing I would want is the likes of Ridsdale and gang getting one up on me. Saying this though I don't think Sam has been clever by unsecuring the loan notes. Then again I have a feeling the club have not been clever with the summary judgement.

Totally agree with Baked' but still believe he has left some positive legacies within the history of our club; none more so than realising a (perhaps misguided) dream to climb the leagues and to embrace the massive latent fan-base within southeast Wales.

I personally feel Sam got himself into a corner.

There are too many missing pieces to have a complete picture. Pieces I very doubt we will find. From the ones we have Sam comes over as a chairman that misled us. There is no doubting he said he would leave us with no debt so yes people are right to believe he lied to us. However circumstances change and specially in a business world.

Although I cannot say this for sure but I get the impression Sam was making enemies within the club and local authorities well before he left. If I was in his shoes I would start securing the money I had lent even to the fact I was going against a promise. The last thing I would want is the likes of Ridsdale and gang getting one up on me. Saying this though I don't think Sam has been clever by unsecuring the loan notes. Then again I have a feeling the club have not been clever with the summary judgement.

Sorry but that skirts too many issues. Its as if your loathe to use the word LIAR. Which he was.

Do you realise you are condemning him with your own words. What you are suggesting is that at the same
time he was lying to Annis/Gwyn/you/me etc etc about spending all his own money.... he was busy
working out an escape strategy knowing full well he was leaving Cardiff City with a £20m debt. Feller it
was no mistake. The very second he took that loan out against Cardiff City he shat on friendships, shat on
the fans. Not for taking out a loan - but for TELLING the fans (not misleading them) that it was HIS OWN
money bankrolling our quest for the big time