TLG on Bluebirds Unite

I have to agree with him on most hes said tbh, keeping it real dave

tlg a couple of questions.are you happy with your decision to stop watching the city and what's your take on bu.

I'm 100% happy with the decision. Indeed, if the truth be told, it wasn't even a decision I had to make. The moment the re-brand u-turn was announced, I instinctively knew that I was finished with it. Maybe I was too close to the whole thing in retrospect, but I just couldn't support the way that Tan, the club officials and some of the fans behaved (and continue to behave). Not in a million years. I could never have any pride in a football club that has no pride in its own identity and I could never be a part of fanbase that would meekly accept what has happened here in the way that it did.

There have been a few tough moments during the last year and I miss seeing some of the mates I'd got friendly with over the years through the football, but it's very much a case of swings and roundabouts. After 37 years of devoting far too much energy to following a professional football club, life for me has changed significantly in many respects, and mostly it's been for the better. My only real regret is that I didn't quit sooner, or at least stop taking the whole thing so seriously and wasting so much time, effort and money on it.

As for Bluebirds Unite, I wish those involved well, but the truth is they're pissing in the wind. It's a case of too little, far too late. Maybe that's easier to see from a distance than it is from close up. The time for protest was in the early stages of last season, but the vast majority of the fanbase simply didn't have the stomach for it. That was evident very early on in the proceedings. Since then, the horse has not only bolted but it's done several laps of the track. Bluebirds Unite haven't got a prayer of altering Tan's thinking. The man is an absolute dictator and most supporters have demonstrated that they are apparently happy to be dictated to as long as the team is winning matches.

It will be interesting to see what happens if competing in the Premier League proves tougher than the majority of supporters seem to expect, but if the side does reasonably well and solidifies its position in the top flight, then any lingering hopes that those involved in BU have of restoring the club's traditional identity will be very quickly extinguished.

Tan is the type of man and this is the type of regime that needs to be challenged head on, and that needed to happen as soon as he and his cronies (local and international) started treating the fans like idiots. But the majority stayed silent and have since celebrated the benefits of the Emperor's money. They got the promotion they wanted. Now they're going to have to put up with the rest of the shit that will go with it.

All the indications are that most will be perfectly happy to do so. Those who aren't should have done more last summer when they had the opportunity. Following the club's promotion to the Premier League, their numbers have been even further diluted. Peer pressure on fellow fans and newcomers wasn't applied when it needed to be. I'm afraid that Cardiff City's traditional identity is well and truly a thing of the past and there's next to nothing that the good folk of Bluebirds Unite can do about that.

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A good account of our current position. If there were the numbers who really cared enough to challenge this 'Dictatorship' (good grief) I think their number was far out weighed, by people more worried with the future of the club continuing to trade. The two forums really do think highly of themselves if some 'peer pressure by a few keyboard warriors or influential fans. Would a) be noticed by the many many thousands of fans who don't read them. b) Of those that do read them, realise that there are far far more important things in life to concern yourself with, other than what colour shirt Cardiff City will be wearing. Just be thankful that Cardiff City continue to flourish at all. Regarding Cardiff City, I like to think about who we are signing, who is playing well, why are we losing, its great that we're winning. The ref was rubbish, that decision robbed us of a point etc etc etc yada yada yada. That's what watching football is really about. IMO

A very accurate assessment of our situation.

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

He is very dictatorial.

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

He dictated how the club was to look etc... No choice or votes.. Just dictated.

I don't agree with the description of Tan as a "dictator". I would describe Tan as a very shrewd, & success driven business man,,,very objective,,& a person who wont accept failure in any of his business ventures, of which Cardiff City FC is one.

For him our re-brand was very, very simple.

Apart from that, i agree with what Dave said. There's a "point of readiness" in every one's life,,,regarding anything personal.

I respect DS's decision, & i hope that time does heal for him,,, & the others that have taken the same stance.

Rick IMO a shrewd businessman is a dictator after all who wouldnt want to to have the final say if your money was in to something, i agree it was easy for him to do what he done as he had no real feelings unlike us the trouble is we had to swallow it

Seems to me that Dave was ready to quit football, but needed the re-brand or some other reason to tip him over the edge.
(and he's glad it happened)
For me, the club is still making history and obviously will do as long as it's Cardiff City FC.
Got to agree with him about BU though. It will be a waste of time and effort, but I too wish them well.
Tan will stand his ground.

I respect his views and decisions on the issue.

The main thing I don't agree with though is the "too little, too late" bit regarding Bluebirds Unite. Although he's right in saying that this sort of organization should've been done when the rebrand happened, it's never too late to make an effort. This isn't a dig at TLG as he did say he wished the group well, but if you're against something and there are a group of people like you who don't agree with it and who are trying to change it, then you should atleast support what they're trying to do instead of writing them off and saying it's a waste of time, even if it is highly unlikely that the group will make a difference.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so seriously involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand.

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I like TLG's morality on this issue, Intelligent guy and a good writer. The sort of man you'd want in the trenches if the Germans tried it on again.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his life now to what it was like before them 12months ago polo

I like TLG's morality on this issue, Intelligent guy and a good writer. The sort of man you'd want in the trenches if the Germans tried it on again.

Sadly there wouldnt be many stood next to him

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

When was his last radio call or the last time he was on tv then because the last i remember it was just after the rebrand come about, unless ive missed all this, even if he has he has a rite like any other

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Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

Agree with this too, he's still hanging on. (and has every right to, if he wants)

I like TLG's morality on this issue, Intelligent guy and a good writer. The sort of man you'd want in the trenches if the Germans tried it on again.

Sadly there wouldnt be many stood next to him

If the conversion to red is anything to go by, half the Cardiff fans would be goose stepping on their own town centre before you could say 'fire and passion'

Whether you agree with the wording "dictator" or not is immaterial & irrelevant now, I'm not arguing with you or any one else.
Like TLG said, the time to protest was during the earlier parts of last season.

Has VT got 49% of the clubs share holding?

What happened to the other 51% then??

Surely there was a democratic vote at board room level on the re-brand, during the weeks/months leading up to the decision being taken just after our Play off semi final away leg to WHU, May, 2012???

Or, were certain people at the highest echelons of Cardiff City FC, held with a gut to the head, & given an offer they couldn't refuse?

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Whether you agree with the wording "dictator" or not is immaterial & irrelevant now, I'm not arguing with you or any one else.
Like TLG said, the time to protest was during the earlier parts of last season.

Has VT got 49% of the clubs share holding?

What happened to the other 51% then??

Surely there was a democratic vote at board room level on the re-brand during the weeks/months leading up to the decision being taken just after our Play off semi final away to WHU, May, 2012???

Or, were certain people at the highest echelons of Cardiff City FC, held with a gut to the head, & given an offer they couldn't refuse?

You did argue about the dictator bit though. just saying (i'll get my coat now)

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

Agree with this too, he's still hanging on. (and has every right to, if he wants)

Of course he has every right, just wish people would stop making out hes this great f*cking martyr for the cause.

Hes not Jesus Christ, hes just some geezer who decided he didnt want to follow his football team anymore.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

When was his last radio call or the last time he was on tv then because the last i remember it was just after the rebrand come about, unless ive missed all this, even if he has he has a rite like any other

He was on TV in the Tan documentary aired towards the end of the season.

A lot of wasted energy by all. Just get down the stadium and watch your team play football. Life is too short too be worried about off field shenanigans. Not much can or will be done about it. When is the next City hero walking through the door? That's far more important.

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

When was his last radio call or the last time he was on tv then because the last i remember it was just after the rebrand come about, unless ive missed all this, even if he has he has a rite like any other

He was on TV in the Tan documentary aired towards the end of the season.

Never seen it, it it carnt be real

Says he regretted how much time he wasted in getting so involved yet has spent the 12 months in City exile constantly talking about the rebrand. Hmmmmmm.

I doubt a few posts online mean feck all time wise in his lifeto what he was like before polo

A few posts??. Hes writes post after post, blog after blog about it and even turned up at the stadium to get his mush on the TV to have his say, calling up radio stations.etc. He might not go in the stadium anymore but he has far from cut all his ties with City.

When was his last radio call or the last time he was on tv then because the last i remember it was just after the rebrand come about, unless ive missed all this, even if he has he has a rite like any other

He was on TV in the Tan documentary aired towards the end of the season.

Never seen it, it it carnt be real

Well unless Timothy Claypole has become a life long City fan, it was Dave Sugarman

Well unless Timothy Claypole has become a life long City fan, it was Dave Sugarman

Link please, it couldnt have been dave as hes got no hair like me, Claypole has a few strands left

So why does he still waste time reading the board and waste time and effort into replying?

One mans accurate assessment of what's gone on down the city.
sad to see a man turn his back on city after 37 years especially now we've finally reached the premier league.

I'm Spartacus only been on here a couple of days and look forward to debating all things city.

One mans accurate assessment of what's gone on down the city.
sad to see a man turn his back on city after 37 years especially now we've finally reached the premier league.

I'm Spartacus only been on here a couple of days and look forward to debating all things city.

Couldnt stay away for long then

One mans accurate assessment of what's gone on down the city.
sad to see a man turn his back on city after 37 years especially now we've finally reached the premier league.

I'm Spartacus only been on here a couple of days and look forward to debating all things city.

Cops still not caught up with you yet james ?

A lot of wasted energy by all. Just get down the stadium and watch your team play football. Life is too short too be worried about off field shenanigans. Not much can or will be done about it. When is the next City hero walking through the door? That's far more important.

Thanks for sharing your insightful thoughts of wisdom with us vt.