' So Malky will be fully backed by Vincent Tan/BUT? '

' So Malky will be fully backed by Vincent Tan '

Judging by our latest bids of £18.5 mill for 2 players, City mean big business in the transfer market and this shows there is much more than £25 mill in the coffers for Malky. In my opinion anything up to £50 mill.


Expanding our stadium this September, shows are intentions to be big.

The Club does finally look like its moving forward big time,still needs debts/shares ect sorting though.

Tan does not want to fail and cannot be seen as a failure in the business world.

Malky will be under severe pressure to deliver, no doubt about that.

Malky does look to the future with most of his signings as they are usually young.


BUT a couple of questions though for everyone

Are we struggling to bring high quality players to Cardiff?

Are we aiming for a lot higher than just survival?

Going on with what players we have been linked with so far,is Malky strengthening the right areas in your opinions?
No talk of any defenders as yet.

Does spending big money worry you or are we so far in debt, the money does not worry anyone anymore?

IF these players are genuinely being linked then I'd say rather than aiming higher Malky and Tan are just rying to give us what we need to stay up. Even with Ince, Wanyama and 2 quality defenders it's still hard to see who will finish below us. Hull and palace will find it hard, but the clubs that have been there for a few seasons have strengthened their squads year on year. Norwich and Stoke, maybe Sunderland are the next after us on the odds to go down and I'm not confident that even with these players we are really any better than these clubs.

As for the debt, I explained elsewhere, from the moment Tan started putting in the future of the club depended on him, the debt is so big now that he has the power to pull the plug on us at any time, so whether its' £100m or £150 the most important thing is that he stays interested.

On the positive side of things the likes of Cornelius, Ince and Wanyama should they come are players whose value is more likely to rise significantly than drop significantly. They are all young and talanted, a good season in the Prem and they could be worth £20m each !

On the subject of players I am not bothered by the lack of links to defenders as in true Malky style the first we heard of Cornelius was as a done deal, which makes me wonder if we are really after the guy form Celtic or his agent is trying to convince us we want him.

' So Malky will be fully backed by Vincent Tan '

Judging by our latest bids of £18.5 mill for 2 players, City mean big business in the transfer market and this shows there is much more than £25 mill in the coffers for Malky. In my opinion anything up to £50 mill.


Expanding our stadium this September, shows are intentions to be big.

Tan does not want to fail and cannot be seen as a failure in the business world.

Malky will be under severe pressure to deliver, no doubt about that.


Malky does look to the future with most of his signings as they are usually young.


BUT a couple of questions though for everyone

Are we struggling to bring high quality players to Cardiff?

Are we aiming for a lot higher than just survival?

Going on with what players we have been linked with so far,is Malky strengthening the right areas in your opinions?
No talk of any defenders as yet.

Does spending big money worry you or are we so far in debt, the money does not worry anyone anymore?

Annis, I guess we are bound to struggle to attract the so-called 'big' names to the club as we seek to establish ourselves and prove to the footballing world that we (and particularly Vincent tan and Malky) mean business in the Premier League. As each season progresses successfully, more and more will feel that we are worth joining. I also believe that QPR did no-one any favours with their behaviour last season

We have to trust in Malky (and to a large extent Tan) and learn quickly that we are in a different world to where we were last year and that in itself presents a new challenge

I am more than happy with the players we are currently associated with and (assuming they come off) I honestly believe we will be ok and well clear of 'trouble'

Can't wait for it all to start...

Yes we probably are finding it difficult to sign top quality players after all we are a small fish in a big pond but the more quality we persuade to join & the longer we establish ourselves as a premier league outfit then the easier it will become & ultimately we are a big enough club to not only establish ourselves but flourish within the next 5 years.
Remember when we were promoted to the championship we established ourselves over the first 5 years & then pushed on to glory.

In answer to the second question I think we should aim a little higher than survival but make no mistake to reach 50 points would eclipse last years championship title win so I think that would be an outstanding first season.

Annis players and their agents are wary about signing contracts with clubs unproven at the higher level. Malkie has the money quite clearly to bring in quality players and seems to be linked with top top players.

If we start well and sit mid table at Christmas perhaps then when the transfer window opens in January he can add to his squad and push for the highest position we can. Next year then he can add to the quality he brought in this year.

Roll on August

We are always going to struggle to compete to sign the top premier league players while we are not established in this division. It's very rare for a newly promoted premier league club to sign top international players. I thought we should aim to buy the cream of the championship and players from smaller european leagues in our first season and look to progress from there which is exactly what we are trying to do. The bigger name star players can be targeted if and when we become established.

I would imagine Malky is aiming to finish as high as possible but 17th must be a minimum.

Regarding strengthening, strengthening is strengthening. Is it possible to strengthen the team in the wrong areas? We know we need more and better players throughout the team even the goalkeeping position. Is Lewis good enough for example.

Think the main point has been missed.

Younger players naturally cost more money. Does it make sense for Vincent to pay a little less for a player in his later 20's or more for one who is just starting out? From a business sense, the latter as they are an investment.

Even if these younger players are in a struggling side, if they show real quality and promise the big clubs will be alerted. Just look at Benteke last season, he cost Villa a packet but hes worth double that already.

Cornelius, Ince, Wanyama if they did come in, and even if we got relegated but these three were the stars for us, we would at least get our money back. If Cornelius hit 15 - 20 goals, he would be worth around £15M.

So Malky and VT imo see these type of signings almost like a win - win situation as long as they live up to the standards that Malky believes they will. You have to believe in what you are doing.

So for me, it makes much better business sense to be trying to get players like this, not established players whos value is only going to decline year on year due to their age. Football is like any business on times, you get what you put in.

I think Malky will be under extreme pressure anyway, so if the budget is available then he will be wise to use it and strengthen his chances of being successful. Tan is learning about football and will know how difficult it will be next season; his friends at QPR have proven that.

I can’t know or guess if we are struggling to bring quality players in, we can guess later next month or mid way through August when it will be clearer to us all how big our squad is, and the quality inside the squad.

Spending big money is a worry, but we can just as easily go into administration for the amount of debt we were in 2 years ago as we can now…although the figures are now massive they were still big enough 2 years ago to stop investment and we struggled for years to attract rich investors, finding TG was a mixture of luck and opportunity, the fact TG got Tan involved was again fortunate considering Tan has no knowledge of football although there are many fans bewildered by Tan’s irrational rebranding, most will acknowledge he has put money into the club, albeit loans which have interest accruing at a low 7% rate that he may have already cashed in for shares( that is a pure guess but someone got £2 worth of shares recently according to since 62)

Are we strengthening in the right areas?
Well there is no particular order players come into the club, defenders may well be priorities and the club are concentrating on harder targets first to ensure we get them, I really don’t know but Malky signing players with huge potential like Cornelius and possibly Ince and Wanyama could prove costly for us if it fails but on the other hand if they fulfil their potential we will be laughing, one we will possibly have a greater chance of staying up and two their value will increase dramatically.

Our first task must be to survive but also keep improving as a club to establish ourselves in the top flight. Expanding the stadium will cost £12 million for the first stage, the training complex and upgrading of our academy to apply for Cat A will cost another £10 million this season, bot will increase our growth as a club.

It is exciting times being a Cardiff City fans and some of the players we are linked with and the fees involved are mind bogling when you think about it…yes I know its tinged with anger and hurt because of the rebrand and that is the Achilles heel for many, the “fly in the ointment” of what otherwise would be fantastic times for all Cardiff fans.

Football fans are fickle. The better the side does the more the fans expect.

As long as the side is winning who gives a crap what the finances look like. Look at Man Utd. Saddled with huge debts, but that is the last things the fans moan about.

Football is all about sustainability IMO. Just like any other business, if there is no long term plan to turn a profit in place how can you ever really support a team? 5 years ago Portsmouth were playing in Europe, home games like AC Milan, now they face playing Torquay and Dagenham teams like that. Why is this? Careless spending and poor book keeping by ego driven maniac amongst other theory's of corse.

In all fairness to VT he is no fool, and probably not your stereotypical lunatic like so many others. What VT does he does with a longer plan in mind. So I feel fairly confident about the future of Cardiff City.

My point is after watching teams like Bradford, Barnsley, Portsmouth, Wolves all crash out of the top tier, is there any real future for any football club in the UK? Are we all on borrowed time?

Community clubs are the way forward. Fan involvement , fan contribution. Volunteer workers reducing wage bills. Sure not as easy in the top flight but the principle remains true.

Re Players, I would love to see us sign a defender in the near future. But would love even more a youth player to come through and dominate.

Rambling over.

I'm not worried about the debt for two reasons, firstly VT has very deep pockets and as long as he keeps his interest there is no problem and secondly it's the megabucks our club will receive from being members of the PL.

As regards struggling to sign players with only a few exceptions at the moment not that many clubs have signed players but with players returning for pre season next week that will change. As regards the quality of the players we are trying to sign I think MM has it spot on, as usual, as there is no way we are ever likely to attract "Top Class" Premier League players so we need to be shopping for Premier League quality and there is a difference between the two.

Another issue which hasn't had much of a mention at the moment is that other clubs and agents know that this season PL clubs are going to have record breaking income and that is pushing buying prices up and with it competition between clubs for a small amount of players.

But the biggest positive for me is that we have MM and if there is one thing we know is that our team will be properly prepared and we will compete. Will that be enough? only time will tell but MM, with the support of VT, I believe will be enough to see us survive next year.

But it is likely to be an interesting journey.

I'm not worried about the debt for two reasons, firstly VT has very deep pockets and as long as he keeps his interest there is no problem and secondly it's the megabucks our club will receive from being members of the PL.

As regards struggling to sign players with only a few exceptions at the moment not that many clubs have signed players but with players returning for pre season next week that will change. As regards the quality of the players we are trying to sign I think MM has it spot on, as usual, as there is no way we are ever likely to attract "Top Class" Premier League players so we need to be shopping for Premier League quality and there is a difference between the two.

Another issue which hasn't had much of a mention at the moment is that other clubs and agents know that this season PL clubs are going to have record breaking income and that is pushing buying prices up and with it competition between clubs for a small amount of players.

But the biggest positive for me is that we have MM and if there is one thing we know is that our team will be properly prepared and we will compete. Will that be enough? only time will tell but MM, with the support of VT, I believe will be enough to see us survive next year.

But it is likely to be an interesting journey.

Agree with this post

VT has gone on record saying that we will be in the market for relatively unknown talent, as opposed to big name signings, so no surprises there.

As for the debt/equity situation, that has to be left to the people who are ultimately responsible for it. It's got to be resolved sooner rather than later, & I'm sure it will!

To be honest I know Malky likes to keeps things to himself,and a long time ago I thought to my self ,I bet Malky got more than the 25/30 mill that was told to us.
Of course its good for him to keep it down ,if the other clubs knew we had big big money ,they would want top $ for even a average kind of player from us.

The first two big signings will always be difficult. There will be the be the natural concern of us being a relegation side.

Once that fear goes we, after getting a few players on board, signings should become easier - as future recruits will see us as a potential mid table Premiership side.

The signings of Cornelius, Wanyama and Ince will, in my opinion, be the key to bigger signings.

I think we will struggle to attract certain players until we hopefully cement our place in the premier.I'm encouraged by our first signing and the players we've been linked with.This show's malkys intent to compete in the premier and not just survive which has to be our aim,i for one don't want to see us playing just to survive.
i hope and believe the budget will be more than 25mill and tan will definitely provide malky with the cash he needs to bring in quality players,the support tan has given malky in the transfer market and ccfc has been unquestionable up to now.
As for the debt i don't worry about it at all,i believe tans a man of his word and the debt will be sorted in due course.
The good times have finally arrived,c'mon the city.

When Newcastles mentality was you can score 3 but we will score 4, this is a no brainer!!!
1 Good sides are built on a solid defence and a Good goalie who can save you at least 15 points a year. In my mind Marshall is a great shot stopper but still lacking at other aspects of goal keeping our number 2 is no where near Prem class and this should be addressed with a worthy number 2 who can put pressure on Marshall.
2 When Hudson got injured I honestly thought that we were going to get caught but the lad from Norwich steadied the ship and
we limped over and the win against Forest was pivotal. I knew that Frazier would be out longer that a couple of weeks and I genuinely didnt know where the goals would come from and we had a leaky back 4 with Hudson out.
So what I am saying we struggled with Hudson out in the Championship so surely we need a defence to start the season that is strong and numerous and quality fighting for the 4 places before we start thinking about goals goals goals

The signings and interest in players so far is great, but we really need some players with experience - premier league experience, as well as up and coming youngsters. Tan is not stupid, he knows theres no chance of staying up without substantial investment in players, so hopefully he will back Malky 100%, possibly well over the 25 mil stated. The debt will be ok if we stay up and establish ourselves, not easy! relegation will be a scrap between about 6 or 7 clubs as usual, anything can happen. But we have as much chance of staying up as any of them.

PS I work in Swansea and im already being told by the thickhead jacks that we are going straight back down!
Bring it on boys . . . .

I don't think there's nothing wrong spending big as long as they are the right players and get your money's worth. I think our debts will be sorted soon as possible

Annis, my friend from Malaysia (hes back home now) who I met in Coleg Glan Hafren before university says the support base for us is growing. He said it'd never match the top teams (we know that of course) but there are groups going to bars to watch our games and socialise which is good news.

He said even fans of other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are supporting Cardiff City as their second club because they feel like its their own PL club because Tan runs it.

Annis, my friend from Malaysia (hes back home now) who I met in Coleg Glan Hafren before university says the support base for us is growing. He said it'd never match the top teams (we know that of course) but there are groups going to bars to watch our games and socialise which is good news.

He said even fans of other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are supporting Cardiff City as their second club because they feel like its their own PL club because Tan runs it.

No surprises really because we are now a PL club playing in red. The words 'MALAYSIA' across the shirt deffo makes us look like a Malaysian team rather than Cardiff City.

Annis, my friend from Malaysia (hes back home now) who I met in Coleg Glan Hafren before university says the support base for us is growing. He said it'd never match the top teams (we know that of course) but there are groups going to bars to watch our games and socialise which is good news.

He said even fans of other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are supporting Cardiff City as their second club because they feel like its their own PL club because Tan runs it.

No surprises really because we are now a PL club playing in red. The words 'MALAYSIA' across the shirt deffo makes us look like a Malaysian team rather than Cardiff City.

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Annis, my friend from Malaysia (hes back home now) who I met in Coleg Glan Hafren before university says the support base for us is growing. He said it'd never match the top teams (we know that of course) but there are groups going to bars to watch our games and socialise which is good news.

He said even fans of other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are supporting Cardiff City as their second club because they feel like its their own PL club because Tan runs it.

full of shit as usual

Annis, my friend from Malaysia (hes back home now) who I met in Coleg Glan Hafren before university says the support base for us is growing. He said it'd never match the top teams (we know that of course) but there are groups going to bars to watch our games and socialise which is good news.

He said even fans of other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are supporting Cardiff City as their second club because they feel like its their own PL club because Tan runs it.

full of shit as usual

Or you just can't accept it I went into college the day after scarfgate and loads of Asian people were working round the CAVC site, a few with the free red scarves, really passionate about us.

full of shit as usual

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Annis, my friend from Malaysia (hes back home now) who I met in Coleg Glan Hafren before university says the support base for us is growing. He said it'd never match the top teams (we know that of course) but there are groups going to bars to watch our games and socialise which is good news.

He said even fans of other clubs like Chelsea and Liverpool are supporting Cardiff City as their second club because they feel like its their own PL club because Tan runs it.

full of shit as usual

Or you just can't accept it I went into college the day after scarfgate and loads of Asian people were working round the CAVC site, a few with the free red scarves, really passionate about us.

Nothing says PASSION more than wearing a free red scarf to college.

As for the debt, I explained elsewhere, from the moment Tan started putting in the future of the club depended on him, the debt is so big now that he has the power to pull the plug on us at any time, so whether its' £100m or £150 the most important thing is that he stays interested.

or what if the rest of the shareholders got together and said they'd sort out a deal to pay tan off with the tv money and then cut costs to safeguard the future of the club

i assume most fans would be happy with that as the future of the club is most important ?

As for the debt, I explained elsewhere, from the moment Tan started putting in the future of the club depended on him, the debt is so big now that he has the power to pull the plug on us at any time, so whether its' £100m or £150 the most important thing is that he stays interested.

or what if the rest of the shareholders got together and said they'd sort out a deal to pay tan off with the tv money and then cut costs to safeguard the future of the club

i assume most fans would be happy with that as the future of the club is most important ?

I would, a lot of reluctant reds better start manouvering themslves because the red or dead 'reason' for backing the rebrand won't exist for much longer.

Won't be a hiding place then, A straight queston, will you sell out or not? I trust whole hearetedly most bluebirds will do the right thing.

As for the debt, I explained elsewhere, from the moment Tan started putting in the future of the club depended on him, the debt is so big now that he has the power to pull the plug on us at any time, so whether its' £100m or £150 the most important thing is that he stays interested.

or what if the rest of the shareholders got together and said they'd sort out a deal to pay tan off with the tv money and then cut costs to safeguard the future of the club

i assume most fans would be happy with that as the future of the club is most important ?

I would, a lot of reluctant reds better start manouvering themslves because the red or dead 'reason' for backing the rebrand won't exist for much longer.

Won't be a hiding place then, A straight queston, will you sell out or not? I trust whole hearetedly most bluebirds will do the right thing.

mosts fans just dont care.

I'm only worried about the strength in depth of our defence. The fact that Taylor will be suspended for the first game of the season after his sending off at Hull means that cover at left back will have to be considered sooner rather than later.

We have 3 good enough centre halves plus Nugent who can play the odd game, and our first choice full backs are ok. However, any injuries could leave us exposed at Premier League level.

I think Malky will stick with defence we started with last season. The hard part is persuading good defensive players to come to the club who may only be on the edge of the squad.

Kev can cover both full backs in the short term, but we need a right and left back IMO.