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Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:13 pm
Cardiff City have unveiled plans to expand the Cardiff City Stadium to an eventual capacity of 38,000.
Designs have been outlined to supporters as part of an ongoing feasibility study and the first stage of development could begin as early as September or October this year.
Phase one of the expansion would see the ground’s Ninian Stand given a second tier – with the roof of the stand removed before the end of the coming season.
Then 5,000 seats would be put in between May and August next year, in time for the beginning of kick-off in the 2014/15 season.
It is then planned for 2,500 to 3,000 to be added to both the Canton and Grange ends of the ground respectively.
That would bring the overall capacity up to around 38,000 – up from 26,828 currently.
Plans were revealed to Cardiff City Supporters Trust Chair Tim Hartley and board members David Craig and Keith Morgan at the end of last week.
Mr Morgan told WalesOnline: “Stage one is basically an extra 5,000 seats, extending the Ninian Stand to a second tier.
“The reason they can start it during the season is because they can put up a bit of steelwork outside and it only extends across the pavement area.
“They can be working on putting up steelwork in between games without affecting the inside of the bowl.
“For it to be able to be open in time for the following season, they would take the existing roof on the Ninian Stand.
“They were talking about doing that about March. That gives them time between May and August for a seat fit-out.”
The stand is said to include plans for a concourse area on either side with a plush corporate area and catering facilities incorporated in the centre.
Meanwhile, under the plans, two large screens will also be erected at either end of the ground.
The plans have been drawn up with global consulting engineers Arup and will have to go past councillors for approval.
But as Cardiff prepare to take their place in the Premier League for the first time, increased capacity is essential to boost matchday revenue and advertising.
Cardiff City Stadium Manager Wayne Nash confirmed supporters had been consulted on plans but added a feasibility study still needed to be completed.
Mr Nash said: “We are going through a feasibility study and getting a design we are happy with.
“We have given fans an initial look at the concept and told them about the process we want to follow so they can understand what we are doing.”
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:16 pm
Nothing new here, but I thought id post it anyway
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:28 pm
To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:29 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
i dont see why it matters? if we are selling out then best to expand.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:31 pm
paulh_85 wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
i dont see why it matters? if we are selling out then best to expand.
What if we got relegated and fails to gain promotion? Would we sell 38k tickets every game in the championship?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:34 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
i dont see why it matters? if we are selling out then best to expand.
What if we got relegated and fails to gain promotion? Would we sell 38k tickets every game in the championship?
probably not.
infact obviously not.
but its going to take a few seasons to get going, on the flip side what if we dont get relegated.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:36 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
i dont see why it matters? if we are selling out then best to expand.
What if we got relegated and fails to gain promotion? Would we sell 38k tickets every game in the championship?
Then we dont sell out but still have the valuable asset there that can be used to support business negotiations.
What sounds better to you as a potential investor 'We already have a 38,000 seater stadium ready to capitalise on the boom with your investment in players' or 'we will need to plan to expand whilst you are here which will take more time up'.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:30 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
i dont see why it matters? if we are selling out then best to expand.
What if we got relegated and fails to gain promotion? Would we sell 38k tickets every game in the championship?
Then we dont sell out but still have the valuable asset there that can be used to support business negotiations.
What sounds better to you as a potential investor 'We already have a 38,000 seater stadium ready to capitalise on the boom with your investment in players' or 'we will need to plan to expand whilst you are here which will take more time up'.
Have you ever run a business in your life?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:40 pm
Blue_Always wrote:
Have you ever run a business in your life?
One on that scale to sell to a potential investor? No. Neither have you. Other businesses need to obviously make ends meet first, no one is that stupid. Tan is investing, speculating to accumulate. The more the club is worth, the more valuable the assets are then the more you can bargain with at the negotiating table. Its basic sales FFS. You think Tan is going to float the club without a plan in place to make the business as attractive as possible? Have a word with yourself.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:47 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:
Have you ever run a business in your life?
One on that scale to sell to a potential investor? No. Neither have you. Other businesses need to obviously make ends meet first, no one is that stupid. Tan is investing, speculating to accumulate. The more the club is worth, the more valuable the assets are then the more you can bargain with at the negotiating table. Its basic sales FFS. You think Tan is going to float the club without a plan in place to make the business as attractive as possible? Have a word with yourself.
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:49 pm
Blue_Always wrote:
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Part run and done business with bigger companies than you can dream of sunshine.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:05 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Part run and done business with bigger companies than you can dream of sunshine.

Have YOU run a business or not?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:06 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Part run and done business with bigger companies than you can dream of sunshine.

Aberystwyth student union does not count barnett.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:10 pm
bluebird1977 wrote:Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Part run and done business with bigger companies than you can dream of sunshine.

Aberystwyth student union does not count barnett.

I worked before university. Money doesn't grow on trees pal.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:11 pm
bluebird1977 wrote:Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Part run and done business with bigger companies than you can dream of sunshine.

Aberystwyth student union does not count barnett.

I think he counts the time he bought a batch of doughnuts from Tesco at half price with the yellow sticker as evidence of doing business with big companies
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:14 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:bluebird1977 wrote:Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:
So you've never run a business, Cheers.
Part run and done business with bigger companies than you can dream of sunshine.

Aberystwyth student union does not count barnett.

I worked before university. Money doesn't grow on trees pal.
I wish it did grow on trees then i could become a student type getting money for free
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:14 pm
Blue_Always wrote:
I think he counts the time he bought a batch of doughnuts from Tesco at half price with the yellow sticker as evidence of doing business with big companies

What business do you run then clever clogs?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:15 pm
bluebird1977 wrote:I wish it did grow on trees then i could become a student type getting money for free

I dont get money for free. I had to work before uni to save up. I dont get grants, I get loans, the minimum rate. If you understand the term loan you'd understand that is a sum of money that has to be paid back.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:16 pm
I run my own business but i'm not the one Doling out business advice here, you are.
So what business have you run?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:29 pm
Blue_Always wrote:I run my own business but i'm not the one Doling out business advice here, you are.
Thats sales advice. Not business advice. Sales is a branch of business. If I were to give business advice it'd involve a hell of a lot more dunce. What do you suggest Tan is doing then? I suspect you with your raft of business acumen know far more than Tan, a self made US billionaire, about such a move.
So what business have you run?
None of your business really is it?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:31 pm
So you've not ever ran your own business?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:34 pm
Blue_Always wrote:So you've not ever ran your own business?

Not my own business, 100% , no. Im 22 and have part run a business and currently working on another now to work on after uni.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:35 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we have to increase the capacity slightly before the UEFA Super Cup thing is hosted in Cardiff? Might be why we're already planning on building it sooner rather than later
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:35 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:So you've not ever ran your own business?

Not my own business, 100% , no. Im 22 and have part run a business and currently working on another now to work on after uni.
Ok, best of luck with it, get Tan to bank roll you after the the last year, working your arse off for him on here.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:40 pm
Blue_Always wrote:Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:So you've not ever ran your own business?

Not my own business, 100% , no. Im 22 and have part run a business and currently working on another now to work on after uni.
Ok, best of luck with it, get Tan to bank roll you after the the last year, working your arse off for him on here.
Sorry mr pro blue. I forgot you ooze so much passion for the club. Mr Cardiff City is what you are. Hero to us all. A true loyal traditionalist that makes Braveheart look useless. We should name the club Blue_Always FC in your honour.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:44 pm
I thought it was 42k ?
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:46 pm
rhyswales wrote:I thought it was 42k ?
This ^
Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:49 pm
Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:Malky Is My God wrote:Blue_Always wrote:So you've not ever ran your own business?

Not my own business, 100% , no. Im 22 and have part run a business and currently working on another now to work on after uni.
Ok, best of luck with it, get Tan to bank roll you after the the last year, working your arse off for him on here.
Sorry mr pro blue. I forgot you ooze so much passion for the club. Mr Cardiff City is what you are. Hero to us all. A true loyal traditionalist that makes Braveheart look useless. We should name the club Blue_Always FC in your honour.

Just a standard football fan who'd rather play in div1 or 2 than sell the club heritage.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:38 pm
rhyswales wrote:I thought it was 42k ?
So did I. Perhaps Carl could clear this up.
Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:41 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:To soon, rather we followed Stoke's idea. Become an established Premier team then expand.
Stoke are just as likely to come down next season as they were the first season they went up.
There are about a dozen teams in the Prem, maybe more, who are all in danger of relegation.
What if we waited 5 years, lost out on 5 years of income,(enough to pay for the work to be done) and then got relegated !
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