Fan's representation - The board going forward

I recently joined the supporters trust, the reason I did so is because I wanted to be part of a group that is able to put their opinions and suggestions directly to our club, they are a voice of a group of fans allegedly.

In the last couple of years social media and use of the internet has exploded and I often read when looking at WalesOnline or BBC articles references to our fans forum /message board where they take our opinions into serious consideration when then write articles, they want to be on side with the fans needless to say. This makes me think that old school supporters trusts may be becoming outdated.

This, coupled with what the trust is meant to represent has given me an idea, why don’t we form our own representative body? We are in fact calling ourselves a ‘fans forum’ well lets form just that, a representative group of people that could attend meetings and be a voice for our members.

The only problem of course is that opinions on the forum are far and wide, some are borderline extreme, to that end we would need a broad range of people of varied opinion to form the representatives that could of course be selected by our members. This way we could hopefully find some mutual ground in our discussions and set realistic targets.

Lets take our board to the next level and form a group of people to be our voice in meetings with the club and other bodies.

Anyway it’s only an idea and I’d be very interested to hear your opinions.

All for representation but under the present regime I feel it will be pointless.

I just feel it will be a show for the club to say the fans have an avenue to the board when all that will happen is the club will do what they want. Well actually one person will do what he wants with the board blocking any fan intervention that goes against the thinking of the Emperor or should I say the guy that pays the boards wages.

Why reinvent the wheel?

We already have a supporters trust which is under utilised. More effort should be made by the trust to reach out to the fans and get more people to sign up and use the existing mechanism to have dialoge with the board.

I can't see the club recognising 2 trusts.

A good idea,why not.go for it.

That's just it. There isn't "one opinion" on here. There are many, so to represent the fans views on here with a select few would be totally wrong.

It would just be representing those select person's views & not the forum as a whole.

The trust is a far more powerful way of getting a voice. Plus, if you don't like what they are representing, you can choose to leave them.

I think this would alienate a lot on the forum. This is a message board, that's all. It's not a committee/association.

For that to happen then all fan's opinions need to be welcome and fairly represented; which they're not. Another concern would be does this just provide a platform for some certain fans to give credeence to their own agendas and an avenue once again back into the club. Finally we already have a trust, if you are that way inclined then you need to use that rather than set up something in competition or contradiction to that

Sorry, but no thanks, in regards to this board I don't think a fair representation of fan's views would be given. The case in point is a perfect example; could you really see annis putting his own views to one side and representing those who are happy in red? People have already been banned (including myself on occasions) for voicing an opinion different to certain people on this forum. Also, one final thought; would joining the forum mean you lend your views to this or would you have to join something in addition?

@Gonzo - Im not looking for a office and sandwich board aoutside the stadium mate, just some formal representation for our forum.

@BarryC - Deffo the biggest issue mate

I recently joined the supporters trust, the reason I did so is because I wanted to be part of a group that is able to put their opinions and suggestions directly to our club, they are a voice of a group of fans allegedly.

In the last couple of years social media and use of the internet has exploded and I often read when looking at WalesOnline or BBC articles references to our fans forum /message board where they take our opinions into serious consideration when then write articles, they want to be on side with the fans needless to say. This makes me think that old school supporters trusts may be becoming outdated.

This, coupled with what the trust is meant to represent has given me an idea, why don’t we form our own representative body? We are in fact calling ourselves a ‘fans forum’ well lets form just that, a representative group of people that could attend meetings and be a voice for our members.

The only problem of course is that opinions on the forum are far and wide, some are borderline extreme, to that end we would need a broad range of people of varied opinion to form the representatives that could of course be selected by our members. This way we could hopefully find some mutual ground in our discussions and set realistic targets.

Lets take our board to the next level and form a group of people to be our voice in meetings with the club and other bodies.

Anyway it’s only an idea and I’d be very interested to hear your opinions.

would never happen where the club regardless of who is in charge would recognise a message board when there is a supporters trust and supporters club already in existence.
i bet even tan knows that half the membership of this board is taken up with roathy and daya's different accounts

For that to happen then all fan's opinions need to be welcome and fairly represented; which they're not. Another concern would be does this just provide a platform for some certain fans to give credeence to their own agendas and an avenue once again back into the club. Finally we already have a trust, if you are that way inclined then you need to use that rather than set up something in competition or contradiction to that

Sorry, but no thanks, in regards to this board I don't think a fair representation of fan's views would be given. The case in point is a perfect example; could you really see annis putting his own views to one side and representing those who are happy in red? People have already been banned (including myself on occasions) for voicing an opinion different to certain people on this forum. Also, one final thought; would joining the forum mean you lend your views to this or would you have to join something in addition?

Totally agree with this.

That made me chuckle Gavin

But seriously, why does the forum need representation when there is already a mechanism for fans to be formally represented?

I think Barry hits the nail on the head, views are just too diverse for it to work.

Best to show some unity and utilise what we already have...otherwise we will just be a bunch of egotistical splinter groups.

I recently joined the supporters trust, the reason I did so is because I wanted to be part of a group that is able to put their opinions and suggestions directly to our club, they are a voice of a group of fans allegedly.

In the last couple of years social media and use of the internet has exploded and I often read when looking at WalesOnline or BBC articles references to our fans forum /message board where they take our opinions into serious consideration when then write articles, they want to be on side with the fans needless to say. This makes me think that old school supporters trusts may be becoming outdated.

This, coupled with what the trust is meant to represent has given me an idea, why don’t we form our own representative body? We are in fact calling ourselves a ‘fans forum’ well lets form just that, a representative group of people that could attend meetings and be a voice for our members.

The only problem of course is that opinions on the forum are far and wide, some are borderline extreme, to that end we would need a broad range of people of varied opinion to form the representatives that could of course be selected by our members. This way we could hopefully find some mutual ground in our discussions and set realistic targets.

Lets take our board to the next level and form a group of people to be our voice in meetings with the club and other bodies.

Anyway it’s only an idea and I’d be very interested to hear your opinions.

Interesting idea Gavin but I'm not sure it would work.

Lets start with the Trust .. What have they actually archived / influenced ? I'm not being funny, I genuinely don't know.

Personally , I would start by getting this board in order then we can select Chuckles to represent us all

Best to show some unity and utilise what we already have...otherwise we will just be a bunch of egotistical splinter groups.

good point.

That's just it. There isn't "one opinion" on here. There are many, so to represent the fans views on here with a select few would be totally wrong.

It would just be representing those select person's views & not the forum as a whole.

The trust is a far more powerful way of getting a voice. Plus, if you don't like what they are representing, you can choose to leave them.

I think this would alienate a lot on the forum. This is a message board, that's all. It's not a committee/association.

There-in lies the problem of all that want a quick return to blue.The biggest problem has and always will be the fact that they can't seem to unite behind one banner cause theres always someone that doesn't like this aspect or that.

I agree Sneggy, but despite differing views on it, all "anti-red" fans at least want one aim, to return to blue.

This forum is even more diverse opinions wise... Some don't care about the colour at all, some don't care about the badge, some would rather Tan leave and blue return etc..

That's the beauty of a message board, it's a place where everyone's views can be different... It's practically impossible to represent all those views fairly & well...

As I said, it would alienate people from this forum and its readership would drop.

Yes I sort of agree with Gavin, This suggestion has nothing to do with the Rebrand, am I right Gavin?

Its about general issues that might happen, Carl is invited to all the meetings that our club has with fans, I get invited sometimes as long as I dont say what I really think

Carl and say another 2 or 3 from this Forum could ask questions and put concerns etc across to Simon Lim, questions that have come from this forum.

Yes I am BLUE through and through, but this not not just about one issue, its surely about many issues that Gavin is talking about.

As to some saying they dont get their say on here, I despise the Red, but I always let fans say their opinions on it and if they support it and embrace, thats their choice, I dont agree with it, but that their belief, look at Gwyn he embraced it and said his piece time and time again and never stopped, so fans do get their say on here.

Name calling, sarcasm,ridiculing etc NO its not allowed.

Were never all going to agree on everything that is life.

Your dead right Annis, this has nothing to do with the rebrand, the issue spreads opinion to greatly to be represented fairly by anyone, this would be far more general, surely we could agree on things a bit less controversial than the rebrand

Yes I sort of agree with Gavin, This suggestion has nothing to do with the Rebrand, am I right Gavin?

Its about general issues that might happen, Carl is invited to all the meetings that our club has with fans, I get invited sometimes as long as I dont say what I really think

Carl and say another 2 or 3 from this Forum could ask questions and put concerns etc across to Simon Lim, questions that have come from this forum.

Yes I am BLUE through and through, but this not not just about one issue, its surely about many issues that Gavin is talking about.

As to some saying they dont get their say on here, I despise the Red, but I always let fans say their opinions on it and if they support it and embrace, thats their choice, I dont agree with it, but that their belief, look at Gwyn he embraced it and said his piece time and time again and never stopped, so fans do get their say on here.

Name calling, sarcasm,ridiculing etc NO its not allowed.

Were never all going to agree on everything that is life.

I agree with you that it's about all issues not just the red.....but surely the way forward is to join nominate and vote candidates (like Carl) in at the Cardiff City Supporters Trust.

Your dead right Annis, this has nothing to do with the rebrand, the issue spreads opinion to greatly to be represented fairly by anyone, this would be far more general, surely we could agree on things a bit less controversial than the rebrand

Thats what I thought you were on about Gavin and yes there are many other things to do with our club that we could be asking and debating on and coming together on which happen during the year.

Yes I sort of agree with Gavin, This suggestion has nothing to do with the Rebrand, am I right Gavin?

Its about general issues that might happen, Carl is invited to all the meetings that our club has with fans, I get invited sometimes as long as I dont say what I really think

Carl and say another 2 or 3 from this Forum could ask questions and put concerns etc across to Simon Lim, questions that have come from this forum.

Yes I am BLUE through and through, but this not not just about one issue, its surely about many issues that Gavin is talking about.

As to some saying they dont get their say on here, I despise the Red, but I always let fans say their opinions on it and if they support it and embrace, thats their choice, I dont agree with it, but that their belief, look at Gwyn he embraced it and said his piece time and time again and never stopped, so fans do get their say on here.

Name calling, sarcasm,ridiculing etc NO its not allowed.

Were never all going to agree on everything that is life.

Annoys me Annis those users coming on here and slagging the forum off claiming they get banned for having a different opinion. Perhaps these users need to look at themselves and see how they express their opinions. There are plenty of members on here who have opposed their differences and have not been removed.

I think people on this forum are more than capable of discussing topics and giving our point of view to the board of directors.

A message board representing the cardiff city fans I don't think so.
I know plenty of cardiff city fans who have never been on a message board in their life so dosent represent the fans on a whole really imo it's just a minority

I think people on this forum are more than capable of discussing topics and giving our point of view to the board of directors.

why do people think that a messageboard forum will ever be given the chance to debate club issue's with the board of directors.
If the forum members had an amount of shares between them then perhaps thats a way forward but at this moment in time i only see people being paid lip service by tan and although he might be being seen to listen to some issues ultimately he is going to do what he wants regardless.

In principal I think this is a very good idea and unless I'm wrong this board already has recognition from the Club as Carl attends regular meetings regarding away travel arrangements. Is it that big a step to ask the club for recognition as a fans representative body, I don't think so.

I understand concerns about voicing "All Opinions" but does anyone seriously believe that the Trust or Supporters Club actually represent the opinions of "All" of thier members. As some extreme opinions can be posted on this board I'm sure some fairly wild opinions can get expressed to both the Trust and Supporters Club.

Like both those organisations this forum would need to select people who can represent the reasonable views of the members and also raise questions on behalf on members who normally don't have the opportunity to ask.

That's just it. There isn't "one opinion" on here. There are many, so to represent the fans views on here with a select few would be totally wrong.

It would just be representing those select person's views & not the forum as a whole.

The trust is a far more powerful way of getting a voice. Plus, if you don't like what they are representing, you can choose to leave them.

I think this would alienate a lot on the forum. This is a message board, that's all. It's not a committee/association.

^^^^^^^^^^ THIS, I'm afraid, Gav ^^^^^^^^^^

There is nowhere near enough consensus on a forum such as this and the majority of participants are either known only to a small number of others (with some obvious exceptions, of course) or they are totally anonymous, which suits their ability to 'hide' whilst voicing oft disruptive, unjustifiable and (on occasion) highly offensive views

It's a shame but unfortunately it's the very nature of MB's

I think people on this forum are more than capable of discussing topics and giving our point of view to the board of directors.

why do people think that a messageboard forum will ever be given the chance to debate club issue's with the board of directors.
If the forum members had an amount of shares between them then perhaps thats a way forward but at this moment in time i only see people being paid lip service by tan and although he might be being seen to listen to some issues ultimately he is going to do what he wants regardless.

may be its about time we were given that chance.

In principal I think this is a very good idea and unless I'm wrong this board already has recognition from the Club as Carl attends regular meetings regarding away travel arrangements. Is it that big a step to ask the club for recognition as a fans representative body, I don't think so.

I understand concerns about voicing "All Opinions" but does anyone seriously believe that the Trust or Supporters Club actually represent the opinions of "All" of thier members. As some extreme opinions can be posted on this board I'm sure some fairly wild opinions can get expressed to both the Trust and Supporters Club.

Like both those organisations this forum would need to select people who can represent the reasonable views of the members and also raise questions on behalf on members who normally don't have the opportunity to ask.

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my original point is the trust and supporters club are affilated orginisations which people agree to join by paying a subscription on an annual basis.
For this board to go forward it would have to set up a similar organisation which could then affiliate itself to the club.
with regards to the travel club there are plenty of little splinter groups which attend those meetings as well including the rhonnda ugly bus

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Your dead right Annis, this has nothing to do with the rebrand, the issue spreads opinion to greatly to be represented fairly by anyone, this would be far more general, surely we could agree on things a bit less controversial than the rebrand

The rebrand was an example

Your dead right Annis, this has nothing to do with the rebrand, the issue spreads opinion to greatly to be represented fairly by anyone, this would be far more general, surely we could agree on things a bit less controversial than the rebrand

The rebrand was an example