AGAINST MODERN FOOTBALL IRONY

And in most cases how do they show their anger or dislike of this modern football phenomenon, by coming on an Internet message board to spread the word and discuss.

As I see it, the Internet is very much a part of modern football, as is being able to watch your teams games and highlights etc most days of the week, up to date club news and info, discussions etc, is that the part of modern football people don't like, because I love it, I remember spending a fortune phone up the City phone-line for thirty second snatches of how an away game was going, or what player had been signed etc.

To catch glimpse of your team for may be only minutes on match of the day Saturday night was often the highlight of the week.

The exposure and coverage that football now get's and we have access to, means a lot more advertising and finances that come along with it, tis the way of the world, but at the end of the day if the high prices for admission and high wages the players get is what pisses you off, then there are plenty of Non-League teams out there begging for support, mind you most of them if they are honest would love to progress into the higher leagues with all the finances that come along with those negatives of success.

And in most cases how do they show their anger or dislike of this modern football phenomenon, by coming on an Internet message board to spread the word and discuss.

As I see it, the Internet is very much a part of modern football, as is being able to watch your teams games and highlights etc most days of the week, up to date club news and info, discussions etc, is that the part of modern football people don't like, because I love it, I remember spending a fortune phone up the City phone-line for thirty second snatches of how an away game was going, or what player had been signed etc.

To catch glimpse of your team for may be only minutes on match of the day Saturday night was often the highlight of the week.

The exposure and coverage that football now get's and we have access to, means a lot more advertising and finances that come along with it, tis the way of the world, but at the end of the day if the high prices for admission and high wages the players get is what pisses you off, then there are plenty of Non-League teams out there begging for support, mind you most of them if they are honest would love to progress into the higher leagues with all the finances that come along with those negatives of success.

Gwyn a few years ago one of the national newspapers did a survey and then published a list of the top 50 things people hated about "Modern Football".

Internet Messageboards was something like 16th in the list, by the way Craig Bellamy was in the top 50 something like 45th I think.

I think it would be interesting to put up a poll on the board to see what it is people most dislike about "Modern Football".

Times have changed and it will only change more over time as much as some of us want older days back its just not the answer in todays football world, you either move with it or get left behind so to speak

People don't hate modern football, if anything they hate British football, other countries have other laws. Over here the laws for standing(because of the Hillsborough disaster) and the use of pyrotechnics make this country so OTT on laws. The only other thing people dislike are for example the club changing colours and the high price of tickets.

Gwyn, Are you going Sunday to this meeting/march to have your say as its about Cardiff City and everyone is invited?

Gwyn, Are you going Sunday to this meeting/march to have your say as its about Cardiff City and everyone is invited?

annis
to be honest im confused as to what this march is about? is it purely against modern football or is it really an anti tan/rebrand march dressed up as against modern football.
will it be like the last march where if the group come across anyone wearing a red shirt they will be verbally abused by the group.
there just seems to be no organisation or programme as to what is going to happen

Gwyn, Are you going Sunday to this meeting/march to have your say as its about Cardiff City and everyone is invited?

annis
to be honest im confused as to what this march is about? is it purely against modern football or is it really an anti tan/rebrand march dressed up as against modern football.
will it be like the last march where if the group come across anyone wearing a red shirt they will be verbally abused by the group.
there just seems to be no organisation or programme as to what is going to happen

Steve, I wont be there. I am not organising it ect.

I believe its about both, I wish it had been just about the stripping of our identity. Its not organised by kids this time, but by ages from 35 years to 50 odd etc.
I have total Respect for those involved as many are my friends.

I am totally against the Rebrand/Stripping of our Identity, which I have explained why a thousand times.

As to Modern football I have to accept new stadiums etc etc even if I preferred Ninian Park, I dont intend to be on a crusade against Modern football as its here to stay whether we like it or not.

BUT AS TO OUR IDENTITY I WANT THAT BACK END OFF

Nothing ironic about families not being able to afford to take the kids to football matches - you're basically saying if you cant afford it, hard luck, go and watch the parks.

Plenty of people use the internet without looking at football related issues.

"Irony" in these contexts are ill use of the word.

Gwyn, Are you going Sunday to this meeting/march to have your say as its about Cardiff City and everyone is invited?

I wont be there Bank Holiday weekend is good for some extra people, but lot's of us with family's will have things planned I'm sure.

Saying that I am a bit confused about the plans, initially I thought it was a get together celebration to show that we will always be Bluebirds and wont forget our true colour, which I feel as strongly about now as I always have.
Now I never seen that as a protest more of a celebration, and I thought finally someone had come up with something positive.

There are a close on a thousand people registered, hopefully if they can all bring a mate or their family, there could possibly be a crowd of a few thousand.
If it was done well and had some good media coverage it could show us in a positive light and possibly get back to Tan, but not in a confrontational manner but more of a feeling of unity.

I have never had a problem with action that doesn't harm the teams results such as throwing smoke bombs on the pitch and having demonstrations during the game, also forcing Vt into a corner I have always thought would have repercussions, far better to get him on board and try and work with him, but that's just my opinion, others feel that marches, boycott's and protests etc are the way forward, but we are all different.

Wasn't it me in the first meeting at the club where you were as well that suggested everyone should protest by wearing blue to the first game and every game, still support the team and club fully, but totally ignore the red whilst still giving their all in support.

Don't know if it would have made any difference, but it would have shown a unity that in truth isn't there, the whole opposition to the rebrand has been disjointed and badly planned, there must be five or more groups planning protests and meetings that have all achieved nothing.

It needed strong leadership with some proper direction and achievable targets that are brought about by actions acceptable to all.

The truth is, at the very early stage, no one was prepared to put their name to something and be responsible for possibly being known as the person that drove Tan and his investment away and stood back and watched the club go into liquidation, one hell of a responsibility.


Sunday could be a great day if it goes well, lot's of TV and radio coverage, thousand of old and young fans wearing blue and celebrating.
But, and it's a big but, it could go the other way, and any bad press may work against the aims of the day, time will tell.

But again I add, this wont affect the team, it wont affect results and it may send a message out to Tan, so far better than anything we have seen yet.

Many see the rebrand as a consequence of "modern football", it's that simple.

What I dont get is all the posters that have been advertising the event have specifically stated "this is not a protest but a celebration of CCFC reaching the premier league"

So, you have people protesting against modern football at a celebration of us reaching what basically is the epitomy of modern football.

What I dont get is all the posters that have been advertising the event have specifically stated "this is not a protest but a celebration of CCFC reaching the premier league"

So, you have people protesting against modern football at a celebration of us reaching what basically is the epitomy of modern football.

Must admit, there are a lot of mixed messages about the event. Nobody knows who is running it, what it's aims are & what is even happening there.

Many see the rebrand as a consequence of "modern football", it's that simple.

Simple!!!! Yet the majority of kit change so called rebrands happened far more frequently before the so called modern football era.

So how is it linked "simply" to the modern football era, surely it should be the other way around.

Many see the rebrand as a consequence of "modern football", it's that simple.

Simple!!!! Yet the majority of kit change so called rebrands happened far more frequently before the so called modern football era.

So how is it linked "simply" to the modern football era, surely it should be the other way around.

Simply because many of those changes you have mentioned were not done so the club could get hold of a big pot of money & to supposedly make more money.

Many see the rebrand as a consequence of "modern football", it's that simple.

Simple!!!! Yet the majority of kit change so called rebrands happened far more frequently before the so called modern football era.

So how is it linked "simply" to the modern football era, surely it should be the other way around.

Simply because many of those changes you have mentioned were not done so the club could get hold of a big pot of money & to supposedly make more money.

Oh I understand now, they are OK with it being done in the pre modern days because it wasn't done for financial reasons such as staving off liquidation, so the reason they are against it now is because the move stablisised us financially and kept us in business.

Glad you pointed it out, because I had been at a loss to understand.

So we are saying change is OK as long as you don't do it for financial reasosn.

That would be a great banner "against making money from modern football" got a bit of a ring to it.

I don't speak for them Gwyn, you'll have to ask them. But changing kit to get a whole load of cash is an aspect of modern football/foreign ownership I think football could do without.

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All the talk about modern football has taken the focus away from the rebranding and getting the blue back.bluebirds unite should have kept it simple and just focused on the blue issue.

I don't speak for them Gwyn, you'll have to ask them. But changing kit to get a whole load of cash is an aspect of modern football/foreign ownership I think football could do without.

You reckon you don't speak for them as you say yet you write a message that says this-==

Many see the rebrand as a consequence of "modern football", it's that simple.

So you don't speak for them but you do claim to know what they are thinking.

Over priced tickets, vast amounts of money spent on wages, transfer fees and agent fees, lack of atmosphere at stadiums, harsh punishments for doing next to nothing, wenches at the match when they should be knitting, no bunking in to grounds, football specials or bovril, no moustaches or dodgy haircuts, pitch invasions or hair on my head. why can't i be young again

Definition of Irony : To slag people off and condemn the Sun newspaper then complain to Admin why are adverts of The Sun on this Forum ? Not knowing adverts appear on here as to what you view on the internet.
Which begs the question why have i not got adverts on Lesbian mug crunchers, and Claire's clinging clitoris

Definition of Irony : To slag people off and condemn the Sun newspaper then complain to Admin why are adverts of The Sun on this Forum ? Not knowing adverts appear on here as to what you view on the internet.
Which begs the question why have i not got adverts on Lesbian mug crunchers, and Claire's clinging clitoris

I don't see the irony in following a link of this site regarding an article in the sun, only to find it popping up as an advert to make this site money as irony, just possibly a sign of the financial times we live in, I preferred it on here before we rebranded it as a money making advert carrying message board, perhaps we should have an against modern message board banners

Mind you the sun wont get a penny from me, the real irony is the advert makes money for this site, otherwise how is it on here.

Definition of Irony : To slag people off and condemn the Sun newspaper then complain to Admin why are adverts of The Sun on this Forum ? Not knowing adverts appear on here as to what you view on the internet.
Which begs the question why have i not got adverts on Lesbian mug crunchers, and Claire's clinging clitoris

I don't see the irony in following a link of this site regarding an article in the sun, only to find it popping up as an advert to make this site money as irony, just possibly a sign of the financial times we live in, I preferred it on here before we rebranded it as a money making advert carrying message board, perhaps we should have an against modern message board banners

Mind you the sun wont get a penny from me, the real irony is the advert makes money for this site, otherwise how is it on here.

Has Swansealad just reincarnated as BigGwynram

I think so.

Free market economy dictates the price of tickets people are willing to pay.

Football not like a ''normal business' in that the goal is to win things rather than make money.

Owning a football club now a status symbol for the super rich.

The heart over influences decisions at board level and at fan level.

Personally I think football club heritages should be protected like national trust sites or listed buildings.

Everyone likes a good soap opera whether it's eastenders, premier league stars, politics, or the financial times. And for me this message board was a big help in keeping my interest going in the city during my first year. It filled in the gaps between games.

Gwyn I'm only 3 years in so curios to know what the city phone in line was??

Gwyn Interesting you won't be there.
I reckon about 200-250 will turn up.
Personally I reckon they should of just kept it about the Rebrand, not Modern football, that lost hundreds, but there again this was nothing to do with me, but I totally Respect their stance against anything to do with the Rebrand.
Well enjoy the Weekend, I will be away with my Family.

If there was a poll on what you hate about modern football only one thing should be on top and that is; wages.

Most of the other issues stem from the disgusting levels of pay afforded to players, without their multi million pound deals there wouldn't be the need to press the fans for more and more of their hard earned cash whether its through the turnstiles, merchandise counter or via TV packages.

I suppose the fans are to blame for continuing to cough up, but certain areas of society get left behind and for a game that was for all the people, that is wrong.

I would love for there to be a "reboot" of all the finances in football. A total carnage of the wage system where the top salary anywhere in the world was no more than £500k a year. It would have to be universal then overnight finances right down to a ticket could reduce.

As contracts run out they slash the wage, players will not like it but it will be across the board and if they walk away at least the game will again be played by passionate players even if the quality reduces.

Now back to reality and time to feed the dog.

Gwyn Interesting you won't be there.
I reckon about 200-250 will turn up.
Personally I reckon they should of just kept it about the Rebrand, not Modern football, that lost hundreds, but there again this was nothing to do with me, but I totally Respect their stance against anything to do with the Rebrand.
Well enjoy the Weekend, I will be away with my Family.

So you reckon 250 people will be there and you find it interesting I'm not one of them, I think people will find it more strange that after the fuss you make you wont be there!!!

If it is a celebration to show how important the blue is to all of us, then without huge numbers i am afraid it may backfire. If there were thousands there then it may show Vt, but he came out with this 25% figure, so possibly any less will just reinforce his decision that there isn't that much opposition, hard one to call, can't blame anyone for trying to unite things without disrupting on field events.

If you recall the infamous Muni meeting, the only threats made ( and none by me as you are well aware of) was to anyone intending to disrupt the team and on field events, i have made several suggestions starting initially at the first meeting down the club where a peaceful show of unity was suggested rather than throwing smoke bombs on thepitch and refusing to buy season tickets which would have just hurt the club in my opinion.

My position never changed from the first time I was told of the plans, didn't want it but seen no alternative to protect the club, as you remember you were dead against it first meeting, then at the second one when you me and many others thought he was walking away instantly changed your mind (which everyone is allowed to do) and then said you didn't think it would get to this and you didn't really mean what you had said in the first meeting and would accept it for the sake of the club, only then for a few days later to change your mind again (which you are allowed to).

Many people have changed or adjusted their initial reaction, and more and more as time as gone on and Vt has backed up his plans with things falling into place bit by bit, this was to be accepted as was failure in the League last year without doubt leading to major problems, some fans wanted us to fail just for that reason, and i find that sad as a Cardiff fan who has waited a lifetime for these days, but there we are, we are all different.

When this was launched as a celebration of blue, then I thought good idea and at a good time with no disruption, Possibly should have had a bit more of a theme and perhaps some stalls or rides and made it a kids and family thing in Coopers field or there about. If it had been and still could be, the evidence could be used when Vt meets the fans , or when it's passed on through Simon Lym the CEO.

Think it would attract more media coverage and send out a proper family blue type message that may have struck a chord with Vt,, i nearly said with the club, but they aren't the one's that need convincing are they?

Just hope the day passes without any negative comebacks, because I think could work against things if that is the case.

Still think we need to get VT on board and ask him what we can do as a bargaining tool to if not get the blue back in the next season or so, at least let us see it at away games etc. and then possibly when we are an established and successful team, we can ditch the red and attract the investment he's after purely on our success as an attractive Premiership club.

On thing I think that may appeal to him, is if we as fans ask about filling a Jumbo Jet (sponsored by Malaysian airways ) and 500 of us going pre season next year for some friendlies between us and teams over there with the fans acting as ambassadors, I could see this being a major PR cue for VT and attract a lot of positive publicity for Him and the links he's trying to forge with Malaysia.

There must be something we could come up with that would tempt him, that way he would not be losing face and it could lead to a win win for all parties.

Gwyn Interesting you won't be there.
I reckon about 200-250 will turn up.
Personally I reckon they should of just kept it about the Rebrand, not Modern football, that lost hundreds, but there again this was nothing to do with me, but I totally Respect their stance against anything to do with the Rebrand.
Well enjoy the Weekend, I will be away with my Family.

So you reckon 250 people will be there and you find it interesting I'm not one of them, I think people will find it more strange that after the fuss you make you wont be there!!!

If it is a celebration to show how important the blue is to all of us, then without huge numbers i am afraid it may backfire. If there were thousands there then it may show Vt, but he came out with this 25% figure, so possibly any less will just reinforce his decision that there isn't that much opposition, hard one to call, can't blame anyone for trying to unite things without disrupting on field events.

If you recall the infamous Muni meeting, the only threats made ( and none by me as you are well aware of) was to anyone intending to disrupt the team and on field events, i have made several suggestions starting initially at the first meeting down the club where a peaceful show of unity was suggested rather than throwing smoke bombs on thepitch and refusing to buy season tickets which would have just hurt the club in my opinion.

My position never changed from the first time I was told of the plans, didn't want it but seen no alternative to protect the club, as you remember you were dead against it first meeting, then at the second one when you me and many others thought he was walking away instantly changed your mind (which everyone is allowed to do) and then said you didn't think it would get to this and you didn't really mean what you had said in the first meeting and would accept it for the sake of the club, only then for a few days later to change your mind again (which you are allowed to).

Many people have changed or adjusted their initial reaction, and more and more as time as gone on and Vt has backed up his plans with things falling into place bit by bit, this was to be accepted as was failure in the League last year without doubt leading to major problems, some fans wanted us to fail just for that reason, and i find that sad as a Cardiff fan who has waited a lifetime for these days, but there we are, we are all different.

When this was launched as a celebration of blue, then I thought good idea and at a good time with no disruption, Possibly should have had a bit more of a theme and perhaps some stalls or rides and made it a kids and family thing in Coopers field or there about. If it had been and still could be, the evidence could be used when Vt meets the fans , or when it's passed on through Simon Lym the CEO.

Think it would attract more media coverage and send out a proper family blue type message that may have struck a chord with Vt,, i nearly said with the club, but they aren't the one's that need convincing are they?

Just hope the day passes without any negative comebacks, because I think could work against things if that is the case.

Still think we need to get VT on board and ask him what we can do as a bargaining tool to if not get the blue back in the next season or so, at least let us see it at away games etc. and then possibly when we are an established and successful team, we can ditch the red and attract the investment he's after purely on our success as an attractive Premiership club.

On thing I think that may appeal to him, is if we as fans ask about filling a Jumbo Jet (sponsored by Malaysian airways ) and 500 of us going pre season next year for some friendlies between us and teams over there with the fans acting as ambassadors, I could see this being a major PR cue for VT and attract a lot of positive publicity for Him and the links he's trying to forge with Malaysia.

There must be something we could come up with that would tempt him, that way he would not be losing face and it could lead to a win win for all parties.

I won't be there because I am with my family in Mallorca and they come first every time. Also I have had nothing to do with it. But you like to be there on everyone of these meetings for some reason, just really interested why not this time, bit of a different kind of fan this time attending


Gwyn, on a serious note I would love to be able to work with you and work together if you were serious about keeping our identity going. Tan would of listened if people had not arse licked him and just accepted it. I found Tan, not the person you had described, in fact a man who would of worked with us.


You say you still wanted our identity but had no other choice, I totally disagree, your wife ,your car, the Red t'shirrts,even your Beautiful Dog are Totally Red. You could still show Blue, True?

Why though for months have ago at fans who stayed Blue?
Do you want us to keep the Blue going and in a Respectful manner, if so, it would be great and all the sarcasm and belittling to stop. We could still support our team, but our fans in Blue.

Of now to enjoy my time with my 3 daughters

Good read until i got to the bit about the jumbo jet.

All those against modern football were all celebrating our promotion ..... I am really f*cking confused ????