'Murdering is not Islam'

Islam is a peaceful religion. Blame the interpretor, not the religion. If there was no religion these sick people would try to justify their evil actions in another way.

'Jihad is not a holy war, where's that in the worship? Murdering is not Islam and you are not observant'

Remember, dont blame the religion. Blame the extremists such as Hamza who are too stupid to understand the true underlying teachings of the Quran and then use those misinterpretations to spread hate amongst our communities. The sooner evil bastards like him are deported the better for not only us but peaceful British Muslims living alongside us.

Well said

Sorry but the OP is deluded, brainwashed just like the left wing media that highlight the peaceful portions of the Koran whilst ignoring the chronologically later more harsh teachings which takes precedent if there are conflicts. The only moderation in Islam is when the Muslims are selectively apostatical, the extremists essentially view these as kufars and these moderates are shit scared of the devout extremists. Why is it the case that in any attack like this that the common feedback from people who knew them is "they were very religious/devout".

Islam is a peaceful religion. Blame the interpretor, not the religion. If there was no religion these sick people would try to justify their evil actions in another way.

'Jihad is not a holy war, where's that in the worship? Murdering is not Islam and you are not observant'

Remember, dont blame the religion. Blame the extremists such as Hamza who are too stupid to understand the true underlying teachings of the Quran and then use those misinterpretations to spread hate amongst our communities. The sooner evil bastards like him are deported the better for not only us but peaceful British Muslims living alongside us.

tell me what peaceful religion enjoys a good stoning to death........what peaceful religion treat woman as a tool and not an equal

Please do not try to defend the undefendable at a time like this

People who say Islam is evil obviously don't know enough about Christianity which is arguably worse. The difference between Islam and Christianity is that people started to wise up about the wrong parts of Christianity centuries ago, whereas certain people are still able to commit these atrocities in the name of Islam. I think all theistic religion is bad but Islam certaintly isn't a stand-out one.

People who say Islam is evil obviously don't know enough about Christianity which is arguably worse. The difference between Islam and Christianity is that people started to wise up about the wrong parts of Christianity centuries ago, whereas certain people are still able to commit these atrocities in the name of Islam. I think all theistic religion is bad but Islam certaintly isn't a stand-out one.

fully aware of christianity and the past.....so what do you think....we give islam a couple of centuries to catch up...??????

Islam is a peaceful religion. Blame the interpretor, not the religion. If there was no religion these sick people would try to justify their evil actions in another way.

'Jihad is not a holy war, where's that in the worship? Murdering is not Islam and you are not observant'

Remember, dont blame the religion. Blame the extremists such as Hamza who are too stupid to understand the true underlying teachings of the Quran and then use those misinterpretations to spread hate amongst our communities. The sooner evil bastards like him are deported the better for not only us but peaceful British Muslims living alongside us.

What world do you live in?? Try condemning yesterday's events instead of posting that nonscence

He has several times

He has several times

What condemning the actions of lunatics? Or talking nonsense?

He has several times

What condemning the actions of lunatics? Or talking nonsense?

Condemning the lunatics

Now is not the time to post this

Now is not the time to post this

Why?

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

yeah, because the bible is full of peace love and happiness isnt it

Maybe murdering is not part of islam. But raping, child sexual abuse and denying women basic human rights certainly is acceptable.

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

"Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)

Good thing we have Christianity, eh?

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

"Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)

Good thing we have Christianity, eh?

Might want to point out to you, as I pointed out in my question, that it is easy to take verses out of context and this is what you have done here.

The Bible isn't just an instructive book, it's not meant to be so. It is also a book of song and a book of history. The Old Testament includes the history of God's People in Israel and their travels.

The two verses have this significance - 1. God cares about the purity and future of His people. Back then when they were a small group, those who were bad eggs needed to be dealt with to stop bad influences at the root. This was to keep God's people going and away from destruction from the enemies around them.
2. The people around them were extremely evil in those times, they offered things such as child sacrifices. They were like that from generation to generation. To stop that you had to fully obliterate them, or they may continue and also influence other groups around them.

These verses are entirely for Old Testament Judaism, i.e the old covenant not the new covenant which borne Christianity which is found in the New Testament of the Bible.

Sadly people of this country have no idea about what the Bible (and possible the Qu'ran, which is why I gave a chance for people to explain) says and this partly causes extremism when they hear falsehoods about the God they have wondered about before.

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

yeah, because the bible is full of peace love and happiness isnt it

The Bible is a history book amongst other things so clearly it will include things of a horrific nature just like all history books do.

Do you realise British law itself stems from the Ten Commandments?

Jesus actually summed up the entire Bible for us in one sentence,

Matthew 22:37-40

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

"Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

"Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)

Good thing we have Christianity, eh?

Except you are quoting from the Old Testament, realistically from before Christianity began. Christianity began with Jesus Christ (hence the name Christianity) so most Christians base their religion on the peaceful teachings of Jesus, and the new testament (later part ) of the bible. Whereas generally other religions like the Jewish religion is more old testament teachings.

We had Jesus, a peace loving, generally accepted nice type of guy, whereas islam follow the teachings of mohammad (sp?), a paedophile, who forced a marriage on his "brothers" 6 year old daughter - although in Mohammad's defence he did not have sex with her until she was 9.

Can you answer this question:-

If Islam claims to be a peaceful religion, how do you account for the verses in the Koran such as this one from Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

I understand that this may be out of context or whatever, just seeking an answer from someone who might know better!

yeah, because the bible is full of peace love and happiness isnt it

The Bible is a history book amongst other things so clearly it will include things of a horrific nature just like all history books do.

Do you realise British law itself stems from the Ten Commandments?

Jesus actually summed up the entire Bible for us in one sentence,

Matthew 22:37-40

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

beautiful my friend.the new testament is all about love.british law is based on christianity.that,s why we don,t get our hands chopped off for stealing a mars bar.

You can't just say that Islam is evil because of what is in the Qu'ran and then decide to ignore the same passages found in the bible. The muslims that cause these problems and kill people are extremists just as there are Christian extremists.

tell me what peaceful religion enjoys a good stoning to death........what peaceful religion treat woman as a tool and not an equal

They're Saudi Arabian cultural teachings. Nothing to do with Islam as a whole.

Now is not the time to post this

Yes it is. The sickening actions of those 2 psychopaths yesterday should not lead to all the racism and hatred we are seeing towards the peaceful British Muslims that live among us. There is no need for it. The Muslim community is not responsible for this in the slightest and these 2 loons used Islam as an excuse to carry out this sickening act and gain exposure from it.

I do not hold any angst with the Muslim community. I went to Coleg Glan Hafren and studied alongside plenty of peaceful Muslims. Some were devout and would not drink, others would drink and were not as strict but thats up to them but they were still good people who said the previous attacks were wrong.

Surely, if anything is to come from this, its that we should all work together as a solitary unit to fight the extremists of all sectors of society so that we can claim the streets as a place for peaceful civilised people to live and not the scum of the Earth who want to spread hate.

Maybe murdering is not part of islam. But raping, child sexual abuse and denying women basic human rights certainly is acceptable.

Again you are confusing Islam with culturing teachings and way of life, most notably in Saudi. These are not teachings of the Quran, these are teachings of cultural influence depending on where you are in the world.

You can't just say that Islam is evil because of what is in the Qu'ran and then decide to ignore the same passages found in the bible. The muslims that cause these problems and kill people are extremists just as there are Christian extremists.

Christianity in this country has moved on. When was the last time you seen or heard of an extreme Christian group planning atrocities in this country in the name of religion? I don't care what happens in islamic countries. What muslims do over there under their own set of rules, is their business. But don't bring it over here. islam leaves no room for reasoning imo. Where as christianity in this country is tolerant... You can even make jokes about them without the threat of violence Lol

tell me what peaceful religion enjoys a good stoning to death........what peaceful religion treat woman as a tool and not an equal

They're Saudi Arabian cultural teachings. Nothing to do with Islam as a whole.

Now is not the time to post this

Yes it is. The sickening actions of those 2 psychopaths yesterday should not lead to all the racism and hatred we are seeing towards the peaceful British Muslims that live among us. There is no need for it. The Muslim community is not responsible for this in the slightest and these 2 loons used Islam as an excuse to carry out this sickening act and gain exposure from it.

I do not hold any angst with the Muslim community. I went to Coleg Glan Hafren and studied alongside plenty of peaceful Muslims. Some were devout and would not drink, others would drink and were not as strict but thats up to them but they were still good people who said the previous attacks were wrong.

Surely, if anything is to come from this, its that we should all work together as a solitary unit to fight the extremists of all sectors of society so that we can claim the streets as a place for peaceful civilised people to live and not the scum of the Earth who want to spread hate.

Maybe murdering is not part of islam. But raping, child sexual abuse and denying women basic human rights certainly is acceptable.

Again you are confusing Islam with culturing teachings and way of life, most notably in Saudi. These are not teachings of the Quran, these are teachings of cultural influence depending on where you are in the world.

And Afganistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen...............Oh and Yorkshire and Thames Valley and and and

Common denominator on a postcard

If you read both the Koran and the Bible, they are both violent books.

And Afganistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen...............Oh and Yorkshire and Thames Valley and and and

Common denominator on a postcard

You do realise Saudi Muslims and Muslims who also believe in these cultural teachings can move abroad right? That is all that has happened. They are, as stated above, cultural teachings. They happen in the Middle East frequently and when people come here they know no different and think that way of life is still acceptable.

“Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)

“…if any one slew a person...it would be as if he slew the whole mankind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind.” [Quran: 5:32]

Murder is forbidden in Islam. Islam sees every person as Allah's people so by killing you or any other person, inside or outside of the religion, they would be going against Allah. Why would a normal Muslim do that? The only Muslims that do go against Allah are extremists who are evil themselves and trying to shift the focus on to the religion rather than themselves.

Its worked. The whole hatred is aimed at Islam/Muslims/etc. yet the focus is off these 2 sick bastards.

Joe Stalin didn't do too bad in the murdering stakes and he wasn't that big on religion.

Boilerplate bull shit, modern Christians generally use the New Testament where all of the nasty stuff has even excluded. The Koran cannot be altered by man as It is "written by god". Hence the reason why there is so much violence committed by "misunderstanders" of Islam and apologised for by the left wing "give peace a chance" self neutering idiots.