" HOW WILL WE COMPARE WITH THE JACKS ? "

We are going into the Premier League in August and I have looked at how many Swansea City fans attended their away games in their first season and then their second season.

How do you think we will compare with our away following in our first season compared to that of our nearest Premier League rivals ?

Swansea City away attendances for their first season:

Monday 15/08/11, Man City - 2,698
Saturday 10/09/11, Arsenal - 2,914
Saturday 24/09/11, Chelsea - 3,173
Saturday 15/10/11, Norwich - 1,197
Saturday 22/10/11, Wolves - 2,102
Saturday 05/11/11, Liverpool - 3,100
Saturday 03/12/11, Blackburn - 2,577
Saturday 17/12/11, Newcastle - 1,501
Wednesday 21/12/11, Everton - 2,210
Monday 02/01/12, Aston Villa - 3,011
Saturday 21/01/12, Sunderland - 1,010
Saturday 04/02/12, West Brom - 2,506
Sunday 26/02/12, Stoke - 2,038
Saturday 03/03/12, Wigan - 2,184
Saturday 17/03/12, Fulham - 2,350
Sunday 01/04/12, Tottenham - 2,999
Wednesday 11/04/12, QPR - 1,404
Saturday 21/04/12, Bolton - 2,799
Sunday 06/05/12, Man Utd - 3,083

Swansea's second season seen a decline at the repeat grounds of their first season :

Sunday 26/8/12, QPR - 2,400
Saturday 15/9/12, Aston Villa - 2600
Saturday 29/9/12, Stoke - 1,270
Saturday 27/10/12, Man City - 1,890
Saturday 10/11/12, Southampton - 2799
Saturday 17/11/12, Newcastle - 1,001
Saturday 01/12/12, Arsenal - 3,000
Sunday 16/12/12, Tottenham - 1,379
Wednesday 26/12/12, Reading - 2,109
Saturday 29/12/12, Fulham - 2,221
Saturday 12/01/13, Everton - 955
Tuesday 29/01/13, Sunderland - 404
Saturday 02/02/13, West Ham United - 1,895
Sunday 17/02/13, Liverpool - 895
Saturday 09/03/13, West Brom - 1,433
Saturday 06/04/13, Norwich - 698
Sunday 28/04/13, Chelsea - 1,498
Tuesday 07/05/13, Wigan - 600 approx
Sunday 12/05/13, Man Utd - 2,000 approx



Cardiff City's away support in the Championship.

Here is the list (some missing as I don't have exact away attendance) for our last season in the Championship :

Tuesday 21/08/12, Brighton - 784
Saturday 25/08/12, Bristol City - 1,864
Tuesday 18/09/12, Millwall 0-2 - 469
Saturday 22/09/12, Crystal Palace - 1,105
Saturday 06/10/12, Ipswich - 264
Saturday 20/10/12, Nottm Forest - 1,856
Saturday 03/11/12, Bolton - 1,227
Tuesday 06/11/12, Charlton - 836
Saturday 24/11/12, Barnsley - Approx 650
Tuesday 27/11/12, Derby - 777
Friday 07/12/12, Blackburn - Approx 600
Saturday 22/12/12 Leicester - 2,127
Tuesday 01/01/13, Birmingham - 2,270
Saturday 19/01/13, Blackpool - Approx 950
Saturday 02/02/13, Leeds Utd - 446
Saturday 09/02/13, Huddersfield - Approx 1,900
Sunday 24/02/13, Wolves - Approx 2,500
Saturday 02/03/13, Middlesbrough - 611
Saturday 16/03/13, Sheff Wed - 1,382
Saturday 30/03/13, Peterborough - 2,171
Saturday 06/04/13, Watford - 2,129
Saturday 20/04/13, Burnley - 1,613
Saturday 04/05/13, Hull City - 2,153

As long as we get enough points to stay up in 17th position I don't care if we average 3 away fans and they average 3000.

That will never happen though and I'd be surprised if we didn't sell every ticket for our away games next season.

Carl, The first thing you notice is that, the first season they virtually sold out every where, the second season, prob their best ever season in their History, their away support went missing by nearly half.

I really hope that does not happen to us, I would of guaranteed that would not have happened to us a few years ago.

Below is the away followings for Swansea City in their first and second season against repeat teams, only once did Swansea take more fans to a second season game and that was against Arsenal, every other game seen a big decrease in away following.

Monday 15/08/11, Man City - 2,698
Saturday 27/10/12, Man City - 1,890

Saturday 10/09/11, Arsenal - 2,914
Saturday 01/12/12, Arsenal - 3,000

Saturday 24/09/11, Chelsea - 3,173
Sunday 28/04/13, Chelsea - 1,498

Saturday 15/10/11, Norwich - 1,197
Saturday 06/04/13, Norwich - 698

Saturday 05/11/11, Liverpool - 3,100
Sunday 17/02/13, Liverpool - 895

Saturday 17/12/11, Newcastle - 1,501
Saturday 17/11/12, Newcastle - 1,001

Wednesday 21/12/11, Everton - 2,210
Saturday 12/01/13, Everton - 955

Monday 02/01/12, Aston Villa - 3,011
Saturday 15/9/12, Aston Villa - 2600

Saturday 21/01/12, Sunderland - 1,010
Tuesday 29/01/13, Sunderland - 404

Saturday 04/02/12, West Brom - 2,506
Saturday 09/03/13, West Brom - 1,433

Sunday 26/02/12, Stoke - 2,038
Saturday 29/9/12, Stoke - 1,270

Saturday 03/03/12, Wigan - 2,184
Tuesday 07/05/13, Wigan - 600 approx

Saturday 17/03/12, Fulham - 2,350
Saturday 29/12/12, Fulham - 2,221

Sunday 01/04/12, Tottenham - 2,999
Sunday 16/12/12, Tottenham - 1,379

Wednesday 11/04/12, QPR - 1,404
Sunday 26/8/12, QPR - 2,400

Sunday 06/05/12, Man Utd - 3,083
Sunday 12/05/13, Man Utd - 2,000 approx

You can't argue that their first seasons following was great, but a surprising and noticeable drop in the 2nd season, even against some bigger clubs like Liverpool. Thought it would be at least another season or two before the glamour fixtures wore of with the part time supporter. Hope we manage better, I and most pride ourselves on our numbers ad character of supporters we have....it's be lacking recent years cos of stagnant progression in the championship....this should resurrect us though.

Load of bollocks. They sell out but most dont even go. Its shocking. Cameras do not lie and the pictures speak a thousand words. Sales does not equal support.

Load of bollocks. They sell out but most dont even go. Its shocking. Cameras do not lie and the pictures speak a thousand words. Sales does not equal support.

Tickets through turnstiles should be counted instead.

their following dropped in all but 2 games in their second season, some by huge amounts

Swansea could NEVER compare to Cardiff, Carl...not even hypothetically

One is a vibrant, forward thinking 'capital city' metropolis with some of the best cultural, sporting and pollitical facilities in Europe

The other is a dumping ground for nature's miscreants, where the term 'humble dwelling' takes on a whole new meaning

The ballance has finally been re-dressed. Cardiff City are coming and that means the return of their (Swansea's) inferiority complex, smaller crowds and less media coverage as they once again take a back seat in the sporting world

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Load of bollocks. They sell out but most dont even go. Its shocking. Cameras do not lie and the pictures speak a thousand words. Sales does not equal support.

Tickets through turnstiles should be counted instead.

Spot on.

Swansea could NEVER compare to Cardiff, Carl...not even hypothetically

One is a vibrant, forward thinking 'capital city' metropolis with some of the best cultural, sporting and pollitical facilities in Europe

The other is a dumping ground for nature's miscreants, where the term 'humble dwelling' takes on a whole new meaning

The ballance has finally been re-dressed. Cardiff City are coming and that means the return of their (Swansea's) inferiority complex, smaller crowds and less media coverage as they once again take a back seat in the sporting world

Looks like we've found something we can agree on

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Your club decided against taking more than 50% of the allocation in some games because they would have had to pay for the 2nd 50% in full whether they sold them or not had they done so and they obviously didn't think it was financially viable to do so as the demand was not there.

Well...... we'll see exactly what the Gypo, soap dodgers support is like on Sunday.....

Now don't shoot me down gents.....

I'm going to the Library stadium on Sunday, got a ticket...............for the away end

Come on Fulham

The Mrs has got the bleach and wire brush to scrub me down when I get home

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Your club decided against taking more than 50% of the allocation in some games because they would have had to pay for the 2nd 50% in full whether they sold them or not had they done so and they obviously didn't think it was financially viable to do so as the demand was not there.

Correct. That's not to say we wouldn't have sold many more of those tickets of course but just that it was deemed not financially viable to take the risk of an extra 1,500 tickets at sometimes £50 a pop.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Well...... we'll see exactly what the Gypo, soap dodgers support is like on Sunday.....

Now don't shoot me down gents.....

I'm going to the Library stadium on Sunday, got a ticket...............for the away end

Come on Fulham

The Mrs has got the bleach and wire brush to scrub me down when I get home

Make sure you've had all your jabs too. Might be an idea to also book an exorcist just to be sure.

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Your club decided against taking more than 50% of the allocation in some games because they would have had to pay for the 2nd 50% in full whether they sold them or not had they done so and they obviously didn't think it was financially viable to do so as the demand was not there.

Correct. That's not to say we wouldn't have sold many more of those tickets of course but just that it was deemed not financially viable to take the risk of an extra 1,500 tickets at sometimes £50 a pop.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Very sensible, I was highlighting to those who may not have understood what you meant in your post that your club decided against taking the full allocation.

In your first season your club sold an away season ticket, how much was it and how many did you sell?

Also did you sell an away season ticket in the second season also?

And if anyone attended all 19 away games, was the initial price paid enough to cover every game or was more money required and for those who bought an away season ticket, if they didn't go to all the away games did they receive money back at he end of the season?

Well...... we'll see exactly what the Gypo, soap dodgers support is like on Sunday.....

Now don't shoot me down gents.....

I'm going to the Library stadium on Sunday, got a ticket...............for the away end

Come on Fulham

The Mrs has got the bleach and wire brush to scrub me down when I get home

Make sure you've had all your jabs too. Might be an idea to also book an exorcist just to be sure.

Booked Monday off work as well......

Just in case I need to check myself into hospital

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Your club decided against taking more than 50% of the allocation in some games because they would have had to pay for the 2nd 50% in full whether they sold them or not had they done so and they obviously didn't think it was financially viable to do so as the demand was not there.

Correct. That's not to say we wouldn't have sold many more of those tickets of course but just that it was deemed not financially viable to take the risk of an extra 1,500 tickets at sometimes £50 a pop.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Very sensible, I was highlighting to those who may not have understood what you meant in your post that your club decided against taking the full allocation.

In your first season your club sold an away season ticket, how much was it and how many did you sell?

Also did you sell an away season ticket in the second season also?

And if anyone attended all 19 away games, was the initial price paid enough to cover every game or was more money required and for those who bought an away season ticket, if they didn't go to all the away games did they receive money back at he end of the season?

The away season ticket was in the region of £900 paid for in (I think) 3 instalments, and yes it was sold in the second season as well although I've no idea how many we sold for either season.

The price was, I believe, based on the highest priced ticket for each away game therefore at the end of the season if the highest priced ticket had not been charged to the club (which it hadn't), all those who took up the away ST deal received a refund of the appropriate amount.

If you didn't attend an away game then you did not get your money back for any game attended. Much like a home season ticket.

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Your club decided against taking more than 50% of the allocation in some games because they would have had to pay for the 2nd 50% in full whether they sold them or not had they done so and they obviously didn't think it was financially viable to do so as the demand was not there.

Correct. That's not to say we wouldn't have sold many more of those tickets of course but just that it was deemed not financially viable to take the risk of an extra 1,500 tickets at sometimes £50 a pop.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Very sensible, I was highlighting to those who may not have understood what you meant in your post that your club decided against taking the full allocation.

In your first season your club sold an away season ticket, how much was it and how many did you sell?

Also did you sell an away season ticket in the second season also?

And if anyone attended all 19 away games, was the initial price paid enough to cover every game or was more money required and for those who bought an away season ticket, if they didn't go to all the away games did they receive money back at he end of the season?

The away season ticket was in the region of £900 paid for in (I think) 3 instalments, and yes it was sold in the second season as well although I've no idea how many we sold for either season.

The price was, I believe, based on the highest priced ticket for each away game therefore at the end of the season if the highest priced ticket had not been charged to the club (which it hadn't), all those who took up the away ST deal received a refund of the appropriate amount.

If you didn't attend an away game then you did not get your money back for any game attended. Much like a home season ticket.

Cheers, I wondered how it worked.

I thought it was £900 for the first season also but was unsure if it was done in the second season, I just found this on the web :

Season 2012-13


SWANSEA CITY AWAY SEASON TICKET SCHEME
The scheme will have a maximum of 500 supporters in total.
The away season ticket will cost £700 (adult), £500 (senior citizen) and £350 (Under 16's). The cost will be taken over two payments throughout the season (dates to be advised).
The cost will include a £25 administration charge. If the payment is made by credit card, there will be an additional 2% charge (this does not apply to debit cards). This is in line with current card policy at the Liberty Stadium.
All tickets will be sent out automatically, approximately 21 days prior to the match (subject to the tickets arriving from the away club).
Please note that in the event of the away club providing different prices for different age categories, we will only charge the full adult, junior and senior rate for the scheme.

The away attendances certainly dropped off this season which is understandable to an extent as the but it should be put into a context that for a few of those games the club decided against taking the full allocation but did sell out the allocation that was taken.

Your club decided against taking more than 50% of the allocation in some games because they would have had to pay for the 2nd 50% in full whether they sold them or not had they done so and they obviously didn't think it was financially viable to do so as the demand was not there.

Correct. That's not to say we wouldn't have sold many more of those tickets of course but just that it was deemed not financially viable to take the risk of an extra 1,500 tickets at sometimes £50 a pop.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Very sensible, I was highlighting to those who may not have understood what you meant in your post that your club decided against taking the full allocation.

In your first season your club sold an away season ticket, how much was it and how many did you sell?

Also did you sell an away season ticket in the second season also?

And if anyone attended all 19 away games, was the initial price paid enough to cover every game or was more money required and for those who bought an away season ticket, if they didn't go to all the away games did they receive money back at he end of the season?

The away season ticket was in the region of £900 paid for in (I think) 3 instalments, and yes it was sold in the second season as well although I've no idea how many we sold for either season.

The price was, I believe, based on the highest priced ticket for each away game therefore at the end of the season if the highest priced ticket had not been charged to the club (which it hadn't), all those who took up the away ST deal received a refund of the appropriate amount.

If you didn't attend an away game then you did not get your money back for any game attended. Much like a home season ticket.

Cheers, I wondered how it worked.

I thought it was £900 for the first season also but was unsure if it was done in the second season, I just found this on the web :

Season 2012-13


SWANSEA CITY AWAY SEASON TICKET SCHEME
The scheme will have a maximum of 500 supporters in total.
The away season ticket will cost £700 (adult), £500 (senior citizen) and £350 (Under 16's). The cost will be taken over two payments throughout the season (dates to be advised).
The cost will include a £25 administration charge. If the payment is made by credit card, there will be an additional 2% charge (this does not apply to debit cards). This is in line with current card policy at the Liberty Stadium.
All tickets will be sent out automatically, approximately 21 days prior to the match (subject to the tickets arriving from the away club).
Please note that in the event of the away club providing different prices for different age categories, we will only charge the full adult, junior and senior rate for the scheme.

No worries, I'm more than happy to educate you on how it is to be in the Premier League

their following dropped in all but 2 games in their second season, some by huge amounts

1 game not 2 Nips.

What about the QPR games?

their following dropped in all but 2 games in their second season, some by huge amounts

1 game not 2 Nips.

What about the QPR games?

Oops

their following dropped in all but 2 games in their second season, some by huge amounts

1 game not 2 Nips.

What about the QPR games?

Oops

A minor blip and considering the effort put in its allowed!
Interesting stats though and i suspect typical of many newly promoted clubs

For me its a purely financial thing. 600 for season tickets and 300 for the cup final has meant no league games this season away from home. Finance and the fact I have watched every away game for free down the local means for me its a no brainer unfortunately.
Our numbers away get hit especially for a sky game it would appear. To be honest alot of away support at the liberty this season has been poor. But home support has remained solid with every ticket for every game selling

The first season should show the best sales, many of the clubs will be new to quite a few, I've been to Man U, Spurs and a few others with Cardiff but that was more than a few years ago.

Unless you are doing really well in the second season away sales will go down but not have much as the Swans have.

Swansea could NEVER compare to Cardiff, Carl...not even hypothetically

One is a vibrant, forward thinking 'capital city' metropolis with some of the best cultural, sporting and pollitical facilities in Europe

The other is a dumping ground for nature's miscreants, where the term 'humble dwelling' takes on a whole new meaning

The ballance has finally been re-dressed. Cardiff City are coming and that means the return of their (Swansea's) inferiority complex, smaller crowds and less media coverage as they once again take a back seat in the sporting world

Looks like we've found something we can agree on

We can't hide from the truth, Jon

Swansea took 1,404 to QPR in the Second season so they only took more support to ONE game this season (confusion caused from transpondancy) so Carls original statistic is correct

Firstly, you've not included the League Cup away games, which were all well attended including our highest away following of the season against Liverpool. A decline in away support after the first season is only natural though.

Secondly, I was thinking that you'd be more concerned about how you compared with us on the pitch rather than in terms of away followin.

Firstly, you've not included the League Cup away games, which were all well attended including our highest away following of the season against Liverpool. A decline in away support after the first season is only natural though.

Secondly, I was thinking that you'd be more concerned about how you compared with us on the pitch rather than in terms of away followin.

Are you mad. Its all about crowds mate. Results are irrelevant